• Lucchino: Sox To Outwork & Outsmart Yanks

    Posted by on January 29th, 2009 · Comments (21)

    Via the MetroWest Daily News:

    Lucchino was asked how the Red Sox would stand up to the free-spending Yankees. “We’re going to outwork and outsmart them,” but he conceded that with New York’s deep pockets, “It won’t be easy.”

    The Yankees dug deep to reel in the biggest free agent fish – Mark Teixeira. The Red Sox, it seemed, were in the mix to land the all-around first baseman. “He was the best position player on the market,” said Lucchino.

    Even the lowly Washington Nationals took up the bidding. “There’s no way to verify whether offers are fictitious or real,” said Lucchino. Finally, the Red Sox threw in the towel and the Yankees swept in.

    For the first time in a while, the subject of who will win the American League East has more than Boston and New York in the conversation. Hello, Tampa Bay. “It’s going to be a three-team race,” said Lucchino. “(The Rays) are an awfully good team. Everyone in baseball predicted their ascendancy. It just arrived earlier.”

    Lucchino will take his chances with his own team. He likes the Red Sox’ diversification. “The makeup is excellent. We’ve got some young players, some players in their prime. Depth of pitching. Short contracts. Long contracts. It’s a nice balance.”

    The Yankees were too busy worrying about Joe Torre’s new book to comment on Lucchino’s remarks…

    Comments on Lucchino: Sox To Outwork & Outsmart Yanks

    1. MJ
      January 29th, 2009 | 12:43 pm

      Nothing Lucchino says is worth commenting on. You can pretty much rubber-stamp his comments with “this guy is a pompous ass and a jerk and he should be told to shut up as often as possible (if not taken out back and smacked silly).”

    2. Bostowned
      January 29th, 2009 | 12:47 pm

      And what kind of Yankee response are we looking for anyway?

      “No! No they wont! Not this time!”

      The Sox know they have a 3rd place team. A few injuries this year will decimate them.

    3. YankCrank
      January 29th, 2009 | 12:50 pm

      I wonder if there are baseball fans out there who are naive enough to look at Lucchino’s comments and actually think the Yankees are the only big, bad spending teams with an economic advantage over every other team. Sure, we can spend a lot, but the Sox can as well…and they have.

      In his defense though, the Sox have outsmarted us in the past. They are a well-run franchise. I’m looking forward to seeing how our plan develops over time (pay over-slot for draft picks, overpay for international free agents, pick up free agents where necessary). With guys like Joba paying off and Brackmans and Montero’s in the future, it looks good so far.

    4. MJ
      January 29th, 2009 | 1:01 pm

      the Sox have outsmarted us in the past. They are a well-run franchise.
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      I agree completely. I have nothing but respect for John Henry’s ownership philosophy and with how Theo and his staff go about their business. No ownership group or front office is infallible but they’ve done a good job.

    5. MJ
      January 29th, 2009 | 1:02 pm

      With guys like Joba paying off and Brackmans and Montero’s in the future, it looks good so far.
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      My personal prediction is that Montero is traded within the next 12 months.

    6. YankCrank
      January 29th, 2009 | 1:10 pm

      My personal prediction is that Montero is traded within the next 12 months.
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      Interesting, have any prediction for what or for whom?

    7. January 29th, 2009 | 1:13 pm

      My personal prediction is that Montero is traded within the next 12 months.
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      This seems extremely unlikely. Not as unlikely as the Yankees signing Jason Varitek as a scout, but still.

      Trading away top prospects doesn’t really seem to be the sort of thing the Yankees do anymore. Unless they suck for the whole year and threaten to quit, that is.

    8. bfriley76
      January 29th, 2009 | 1:18 pm

      The Yankees were too busy worrying about Joe Torre’s new book to comment on Lucchino’s remarks…
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      Because reporters and bloggers kept TRYING to ask about Lucchino’s comments, but all the Yankees wanted to do was talk about Torre’s book.

    9. YankCrank
      January 29th, 2009 | 1:26 pm

      My personal prediction is that Montero is traded within the next 12 months.
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      This seems extremely unlikely.
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      It does seem unlikely, but I think just about any Yankee prospect would be available for trade for the right price. I know his stock fell a bit, but Tabata was considered “untouchable” for some time. I’d be surprised if we traded Montero, but not exactly shocked.

    10. MJ
      January 29th, 2009 | 2:26 pm

      YankCrank: Interesting, have any prediction for what or for whom?

      Justin: Trading away top prospects doesn’t really seem to be the sort of thing the Yankees do anymore.
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      YankCrank: I don’t have a prediction on that front. My prediction that he’ll be traded during the next 12 months means that it could be for major league assistance (during the upcoming season or next off-season) or for other minor league talent.

      Justin: I agree that it doesn’t seem to be something the Yankees “do” anymore, and yet they traded away Jose Tabata. However, I don’t think this is the same situation as the Tabata situation.

      My prediction is based on the fact that Montero’s value is tied to his bat and, specifically, to the fact that the team is trying to get a plus-plus bat to stick as a catcher. It’s too soon to tell if he’ll be able to remain behind the plate but, assuming he cannot, then he automatically becomes a 1B/DH. At that position, his plus-plus bat will need to stand out even more. This is a very big year for Montero because I assume he’ll be playing in A+ ball with a chance to be promoted to AA if he continues to hit well. But it’ll be hard to graduate him if his catching doesn’t begin to catch up to his hitting.

      If teams perceive that he’ll never be able to stick at catcher, some (but not all) of his value will diminish and I expect the Yanks will want to cash in on him as much as possible.

      Basically you can’t keep him down in the minors forever hoping that he can become something as difficult as a competent major league catcher. At a certain point you’re killing his value by holding him back. It may not be a bad idea to trade him while he’s considered such a premium prospect.

      Anyway, I’m not saying the Yanks should trade him, I’m just saying that I have a feeling he’ll be traded around this time next year.

    11. AndrewYF
      January 29th, 2009 | 2:53 pm

      “The makeup is excellent. We’ve got some young players, some players in their prime. Depth of pitching. Short contracts. Long contracts. It’s a nice balance.”

      Huh, sounds a lot like the Yankees. Short contracts (Damon and Matsui expire in one year, Jeter and Rivera in 2), long contracts (CC, Tex, A-Rod, Burnett), young players (Cano, Gardner, a lot of the bullpen), players in their prime (A-Rod, CC, Tex, Wang, some of the bullpen).

    12. OldYanksFan
      January 29th, 2009 | 3:00 pm

      People might make fun of ARod, and there are the ‘you-can’t-win-with-ARod’ idiots, but Boston fans were SALIVATING over the idea of getting Alex. SALIVATING! The Sox have had a hole at SS since they let Cabrera go. Imagine if ARod was their SS… playing 1/2 his games at Fenway. A 3-4-5 of Papi-ARod-Manny. Not to mention that we wouldn’t have him.

      Cashman stealing ARod was a decade changing deal. Of course, Lucky Larry getting cheap over a few mil is what killed the deal. And now we have stolen Tex. Again, us without Tex vs. the Sox with Tex is a huge difference.

      I agree the Sox have a good organization and will be battling us for a while. But Stealth Cashman’s gets of ARod and Tex have been huge.

      God knows how many HRs and doubles ARod would have finishing his career at Fenway.

    13. Raf
      January 29th, 2009 | 3:30 pm

      Imagine if ARod was their SS… playing 1/2 his games at Fenway. A 3-4-5 of Papi-ARod-Manny. Not to mention that we wouldn’t have him.
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      A slight nit, but Rodriguez replaces Manny in that lineup; the deal was Rodriguez for Ramirez.

      Reese/Garciaparra was their SS, & Mueller was their 3b, so you’re looking at one of them moving to 2b maybe replacing Mark Bellhorn.

    14. jmeisner
      January 29th, 2009 | 4:00 pm

      “Cashman stealing ARod was a decade changing deal.”

      I agree that Cash did a great job to get A-Rod initially, but the Yankees still messed up by signing him to a truly ludicrous deal after he opted out. Seriously, no one likes to talk about it, but how the hell can we justify a $30m/yr type contract for him through age 42? If you thought Pavano was a waste of money, wait until the $120m we’ll be paying A-Rod for four seasons of .275/.350/.475 production.

      “And now we have stolen Tex.”

      We didn’t “steal” Tex like we stole A-Rod. We paid more for Tex than any team could possibly justify spending, just like we did with CC and AJ.

    15. January 29th, 2009 | 4:10 pm

      Seriously, no one likes to talk about it, but how the hell can we justify a $30m/yr type contract for him through age 42?
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      Unlike most contracts, A-Rod’s isn’t backloaded. And he was absolutely worth the money every single year of his last deal, just as he was in the first year of this one.

      He’ll decline, of course, but the point from which he’s declining is ridiculously high, and he’s always been healthy. Frankly, the Burnett deal seems riskier.

    16. January 29th, 2009 | 4:11 pm

      And, BTW, I like the Burnett deal.

    17. Raf
      January 29th, 2009 | 4:15 pm

      Seriously, no one likes to talk about it, but how the hell can we justify a $30m/yr type contract for him through age 42?
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      The breakdown, as per Cots;
      08:$27M
      09:$32M
      10:$32M
      11:$31M
      12:$29M
      13:$28M
      14:$25M
      15:$21M
      16:$20M
      17:$20M

    18. Raf
      January 29th, 2009 | 4:16 pm

      We paid more for Tex than any team could possibly justify spending, just like we did with CC and AJ.
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      The Nationals were going to offer more $$.

      FWIW, CC & AJ were signed at around their value.

    19. OldYanksFan
      January 29th, 2009 | 6:09 pm

      Raf – Correct about ARod for Manny. If I remember, they had a tentative deal for Nomar too. Was it Ordonez? I believe it was a stud OFer. Can’t remember, but Nomar was going to fetch someone very pretty.

      And actually, the ARod deal wasn’t s steal as much as a Lucchino head-in-asshole move followed by swift and precision move by Cashman.

      But Tex WAS a steal. The Yanks only offed what? $10m more then the Sox (over 6 years). And I’m sure the Sox would have gone another $5m if that would have done the trick. But Cashman signed Tex too fast and the point was moot (or as Sam-I-Am says, ‘mute’.)

      Every Yankee fans wanted Tex. No Yankee fan expected him after CC and AJ. I think Cashman had a late chance of heart and swooped in for the kill. Sure, obviously without the BIG checkbook, these deals don’t happen, but the checkbook didn’t guarantee them. Cashman did good work here.

      And 2 different financial houses (one was printed in the WSJ I believe) did an assessment of the ARod deal, and both said ARod would generate money ABOVE his salary. These assessments assumed a certain amount of PS/WS time and Wins, but ARod generates runs, Wins AND publicity…. things the Steinbrenner family love. He still may be ‘overpaid’ but hey… this is what Yankee money is for.

      Imagine if Babe were NOT a Yankee. Unthinkable. ARod had to be a Yankee. Let’s just hope he stays healthy so we can bash him for how long it took him to hit his 800th HR!

    20. January 29th, 2009 | 8:02 pm

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    21. butchie22
      January 30th, 2009 | 12:13 pm

      Cashman stealing ARod was a decade changing deal. Of course, Lucky Larry getting cheap over a few mil is what killed the deal. And now we have stolen Tex. Again, us without Tex vs. the Sox with Tex is a huge difference.

      I agree the Sox have a good organization and will be battling us for a while. But Stealth Cashman’s gets of ARod and Tex have been huge. Quote from Old Yanks Fan

      Mate, no offense are you talking about the Yankees that play in either the Twilight Zone OR the Night Gallery? The Red Sox have won 2 world series since the Yankees got Arod and what in heaven’s name have the Yankees won? It was almost divine providence that the Red Sox didn’t get arod because they have won without him and have traveled farther than the Yankees in the playoffs since NY has gotten Arod(exclusing of course 2006 and 2008 where one of the teams ,the Pox and Tankees, didn’t make it at).

      As much as I depise Lucchino, I dislike Cash Man more. Cash Man has presided over the Reserve the Curse years , where the Red Sox are the team to beat and the Yanks can’t even make it out of the first round , let alone in the playoffs. I disagree with Lucchino, in that the Red Sox have already OUTSMARTED the Yankees! They are spending much less money and are fielding a team that have won two World Series in the last 5 years while they are dopey Yankee fans still saying that the Yanks can still beat the Red Sox when it counts. These are the same people that either live in a Bizarro World , The Twilight Zone or the Night Gallery! Who can forget what happened in 2004?

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