• WasWatching.com Water Cooler Talk 2/4/09

    Posted by on February 4th, 2009 · Comments (40)

    Feel free to use this post as a place for you to comment on anything Yankees-related (or within reach of tagging the bag of being Yankees-related on a decent slide) today. It could be a casual conversation offering, or, something you saw in the news, or something very detailed that you want to share that’s within the territory of Yankeeland.

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    Have fun. Play nice. And, remember, keep it Yankees-focused.

    Comments on WasWatching.com Water Cooler Talk 2/4/09

    1. clintfsu813
      February 4th, 2009 | 8:17 am

      If possible, would it be a good move to trade Nady for a hot 2B or C prospect and sign Dunn cheap? Swisher could then be Utility backup in OF and 1B.

    2. clintfsu813
      February 4th, 2009 | 8:19 am

      Arod, Tex, Dunn, 3, 4, 5, would be pretty formidible.

    3. MJ
      February 4th, 2009 | 9:15 am

      trade Nady for a hot 2B or C prospect
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      Good luck trying to turn Nady into a hot prospect at two of the most scarce and valuable positions in baseball. Nady is currently attractive because he’s relatively cheap and coming off a career year, not because he’s really any good.

    4. Corey
      February 4th, 2009 | 9:15 am

      in regarrd to the post with posada speaking…i just gotta say that he is the true captain of this team and it will be a great lift to have him back in the lineup

    5. clintfsu813
      February 4th, 2009 | 9:48 am

      Good luck trying to turn Nady into a hot prospect at two of the most scarce and valuable positions in baseball.

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      Yea, i was kinda wishful thinking there. A hot pitching prospect would be cool too.

    6. bfriley76
      February 4th, 2009 | 10:15 am

      Trade Nady for a hot 2B or C prospect
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      Good luck trying to turn Nady into a hot prospect at two of the most scarce and valuable positions in baseball. Nady is currently attractive because he’s relatively cheap and coming off a career year, not because he’s really any good.
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      Not to mention it’s a walk year and Boras is his agent, so he’s almost surely going to test the free agent market.

      Did any of you see the post on Baseball Musings yesterday re: the potential SEA/MINN deal involving Washburn? Pinto proposed a Cano for Washburn and Clement deal, with the Yankees, assumingly, signing Hudson to play 2B. Now, I doubt the Yankees would want Washburn, but if the M’s are interested in moving Clement, I wonder what it would take to get him?

    7. MJ
      February 4th, 2009 | 10:23 am

      Yea, i was kinda wishful thinking there. A hot pitching prospect would be cool too.
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      Didn’t mean to make it look like I was jumping down your throat. Trust me, if we could turn Nady into something else, I’d be thrilled. Nady’s my least favorite player and I’m really worried that Yankee fans have irrational expectations regarding his 2009 output. The guy has been league average his entire career. I’m not looking forward to trotting out his mediocrity for 500+ AB’s from the #5 or #6 hole in the lineup.

    8. MJ
      February 4th, 2009 | 10:25 am

      if the M’s are interested in moving Clement, I wonder what it would take to get him?
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      I know Clement’s a big time hitter. Does anyone know how his glove is behind the plate? Does he project as an everday catcher or is he more of a DH/1B?

    9. Corey
      February 4th, 2009 | 10:27 am

      i cant say that i know much about clement, but looking at his baseball reference page, noting hes a catcher,i would think the M’s would want to keep him and have him take over for jojhima…i know that the M’s pitchers have a tough time with jojhima, doesnt seem to make sense for them to trade clement

    10. February 4th, 2009 | 10:29 am

      ~~Cano for Washburn and Clement deal~~

      Why take on Washburn’s $? Why not just do a Hughes for Salty deal? Or, a Hughes for Clement? Or, a Hughes for Montero?

      It’s not like Hughes is going to make 20 starts for the Yankees this season. Why not move him now, while his value is high, before something happens in AAA this year to ruin that value?

      Besides, you still have guys like Brackman and Bleich right behind Hughes, no?

    11. February 4th, 2009 | 10:31 am

      ~~Does anyone know how his glove is behind the plate?~~

      I think he’s more like a Mickey Tettleton/Mike Stanley type – more of a hitter than a backstop.

    12. MJ
      February 4th, 2009 | 10:35 am

      Or, a Hughes for Montero?
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      Which Montero? I don’t remember other Monteros other than our own (Jesus Montero).

    13. MJ
      February 4th, 2009 | 10:37 am

      It’s not like Hughes is going to make 20 starts for the Yankees this season.
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      You definitely don’t know that to be true. I assume Hughes and Aceves have the inside track to be #6 and #7 in the rotation pecking order. And given Burnett’s injury history — to say nothing of the unpredictable nature of injuries — I’d say it’s a pretty safe bet that Hughes gets more starts than you think in 2009 (assuming he himself is healthy).

    14. lardin
      February 4th, 2009 | 10:52 am

      Why is everyone so obsessed with getting Adam Dunn?

      Why does everyone want a guy who hits .250 with 150 strikouts. Spare me the OBP and the HR’s. Arod posts a great OBP and hits lots of HR’s but when it comes time to hit a line drive over the 2B’s head, he cant do it. Same with Dunn. The Yankees dont need anymore feast or famine type of players.

    15. February 4th, 2009 | 10:54 am

      FWIW, two months ago, I said NO to DUNN

      http://waswatching.com/2008/12/02/adam-dunn/

    16. February 4th, 2009 | 10:56 am

      MJ – it’s Miguel Montero with the D-backs.

    17. lardin
      February 4th, 2009 | 10:58 am

      Steve checked out, your link, could not have said it better..

    18. February 4th, 2009 | 10:59 am

      ~~I’d say it’s a pretty safe bet that Hughes gets more starts than you think in 2009 (assuming he himself is healthy).~~

      You really think Hughes is going to make more than 20 starts this year for the Yankees? Really?

      How many times, over the last 5 years, has Hughes made 22+ starts in a season at all levels combined? IIRC, that’s once – in 2006!

      Let’s not start confusing Hughes with a durable pitcher, because he’s not one either.

    19. February 4th, 2009 | 11:04 am

      FWIW, PA takes it to Mr. T:

      http://www.nyyfans.com/article/8954/

    20. MJ
      February 4th, 2009 | 11:06 am

      You really think Hughes is going to make more than 20 starts this year for the Yankees? Really?

      How many times, over the last 5 years, has Hughes made 22+ starts in a season at all levels combined? IIRC, that’s once – in 2006!

      Let’s not start confusing Hughes with a durable pitcher, because he’s not one either.
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      I took your comment to mean that he wouldn’t be given the opportunity to make 20+ starts for the team, not that he couldn’t do it because of health reasons.

      I definitely think Hughes will be given a chance to earn starts for the Yanks in 2009. As to whether or not he can remain healthy enough to earn those starts, I have no idea. To simply say that he cannot because he never has in the past is simplistic. Ben Sheets, Kerry Wood, Mark Prior, Rich Harden and (ugh…I hate to even use his name) Carl Pavano are but a few pitchers of recent vintage who also have medical files about 2′ thick. And yet all, at various times, have been healthy enough to pitch full seasons.

    21. MJ
      February 4th, 2009 | 11:12 am

      FWIW, PA takes it to Mr. T:
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      I stand behind every word Phil Allard wrote in that piece and I agree with him 100%.

      Torre’s yesterday’s trash. Eff him and eff his book. Here’s to looking ahead, not looking behind. Girardi’s got a chance to give us a great season that’ll wipe away the foul nose-pickings of the Torre hatchet-job…

    22. February 4th, 2009 | 11:14 am

      MJ, just don’t start a blog, your readers will call you a Torre basher/hater. ;-)

    23. bfriley76
      February 4th, 2009 | 11:17 am

      ~~Cano for Washburn and Clement deal~~

      Why take on Washburn’s $? Why not just do a Hughes for Salty deal? Or, a Hughes for Clement? Or, a Hughes for Montero?

      It’s not like Hughes is going to make 20 starts for the Yankees this season. Why not move him now, while his value is high, before something happens in AAA this year to ruin that value?

      Besides, you still have guys like Brackman and Bleich right behind Hughes, no?
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      Oh I totally agree. I don’t want Washburn now, but I’m wondering what it would cost for just Clement, if they’re willing to deal him. My understanding on him was that he was pretty much an all bat catcher, but after suffering through Molina’s bat for most of last year, I’m not sure I would be against that. Not sure I’d give up Hughes for him though.

    24. bfriley76
      February 4th, 2009 | 11:19 am

      MJ, just don’t start a blog, your readers will call you a Torre basher/hater. ;-)
      ++++++

      Doesn’t NOMAAS already fill that Niche? :)

    25. MJ
      February 4th, 2009 | 11:29 am

      MJ, just don’t start a blog, your readers will call you a Torre basher/hater.
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      HAHA! Touché!

    26. clintfsu813
      February 4th, 2009 | 12:34 pm

      You guys see this?:

      The New York Yankees today acquired outfielder/catcher Eric Fryer from the Milwaukee Brewers in exchange for left-handed pitcher Chase Wright.

    27. February 4th, 2009 | 1:40 pm

      From BBA last summer:

      Eric Fryer, c, Brewers. The Brewers drafted Fryer, 22, as a catcher out of Ohio State in the 10th round of last year’s draft, but he initially spent most of his time this year patrolling left field after being assigned to low Class A West Virginia in early May. He was moved back behind the plate in mid-July, but his bat has been sizzling all year. His .344/.414/.527 line has him leading the South Atlantic League in average and on-base percentage and puts him third in slugging. He put together a streak of six consecutive two-hit games from August 13-18, and hit .360/.500/.640 (9-for-25) this week.

    28. butchie22
      February 4th, 2009 | 2:03 pm

      Why is everyone so obsessed with getting Adam Dunn?

      Why does everyone want a guy who hits .250 with 150 strikouts. Spare me the OBP and the HR’s. Arod posts a great OBP and hits lots of HR’s but when it comes time to hit a line drive over the 2B’s head, he cant do it. Same with Dunn. The Yankees dont need anymore feast or famine type of players Quote

      No more idiocy about Dunn. The last thing the Yankees need right now is a flashback player like Adam Dumb. He either strikes out or gets on base or hits a home run. BUT when he does hit a home run it doesn’t count! He is what Arod is accused of being. Dunn to me is Dave Kingman with a better OBP. The Yanks need a clutch guy like Manny not some softshell player like Adam Dumb , who was rightly ripped by JP Retardi last year.

      BTW MJ don’t feels so bloody bad, because my blog would be called ” Butch’s The Torre-Cash Man-Levine Hater Blog”. They are the unholy trinity to me and the fact that one of them is gone makes me feel better. Now there must be some way to be rid of Brainless Ca$h Man and that dope, Randy “Money Man” Levine………

    29. butchie22
      February 4th, 2009 | 2:14 pm

      Steve before I forget, please don’t stop the movie feature on this site. Don’t listen to a random voice of dissent who has bad taste.That person acted like a dickweed in their criticism of that feature. I appreciate you sharing your pop culture likes and your personal stories behind them.

    30. Roy
      February 4th, 2009 | 2:20 pm

      On Espn Insider the latest article stated about the need to move Jeter to CF. Is that even something that they would consider? First you could package a deal of Melky, Hughes, Nady and a prospect for Hanley Ramirez. If you pull it off then you move Jeter to CF, Damon in Left and Swisher in Right.

    31. MJ
      February 4th, 2009 | 2:23 pm

      The New York Yankees today acquired outfielder/catcher Eric Fryer from the Milwaukee Brewers in exchange for left-handed pitcher Chase Wright.
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      Hey, better than just losing Wright outright. Getting something back is better than nothing.

    32. MJ
      February 4th, 2009 | 2:24 pm

      On Espn Insider the latest article stated about the need to move Jeter to CF.
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      I love how everyone seems to think Jeter could just become a good OF by simply moving positions. He’s turning 35 this June and hasn’t played a single inning in the OF as far as I can tell. If he’s going to be squeezed to the OF, wouldn’t it make more sense to hide him in LF? How bad do you want your defensive OF to be with Damon-Jeter-Swisher…?

    33. Roy
      February 4th, 2009 | 2:30 pm

      On Espn Insider the latest article stated about the need to move Jeter to CF.
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      I love how everyone seems to think Jeter could just become a good OF by simply moving positions. He’s turning 35 this June and hasn’t played a single inning in the OF as far as I can tell. If he’s going to be squeezed to the OF, wouldn’t it make more sense to hide him in LF? How bad do you want your defensive OF to be with Damon-Jeter-Swisher…?
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      I know that his defense at short has been decreasing, but he could cover center well and has a good arm. I know he hasn’t played OF, but the way he playes SS it would be an easier transition than alot of players.

    34. MJ
      February 4th, 2009 | 2:45 pm

      I know that his defense at short has been decreasing, but he could cover center well and has a good arm. I know he hasn’t played OF, but the way he playes SS it would be an easier transition than alot of players.
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      Roy, I’m not meaning to seem argumentative but I don’t see how you can make that statement. What are you basing it on?

      Do we know what kind of range Jeter would have in CF? Do we know how his arm would translate from SS to CF? Better, younger athletes than Jeter have found the transition to OF complicated so what makes us believe that a soon-to-be 35 year old would make that transition so smoothly?

    35. February 4th, 2009 | 2:50 pm

      ~~Steve before I forget, please don’t stop the movie feature on this site.~~

      It seemed like more were annoyed by it, than liked it, so, I stopped it. Until I hear otherwise, I’m going to keep it stopped. But, it was nice to hear that you liked it…at least someone did!

    36. BILLSTYLE
      February 4th, 2009 | 4:52 pm

      Steve, I guess I liked it the times that you put movies up that I liked as well, but my take is that, your running this blog, you should decide what goes in. The name “Was Watching” is dedicated to old Phil, and half the time, he was talking something other than baseball anyway, probably why he “wasn’t watching”!

    37. February 4th, 2009 | 5:28 pm

      Good point. Let me think about it some more.

    38. Raf
      February 5th, 2009 | 1:03 pm

      It seemed like more were annoyed by it, than liked it, so, I stopped it.
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      They were probably more annoyed by your taste in movies :D

      One thing I do dig about your tastes is that they’re quite eclectic. I can appreciate that.

    39. Raf
      February 5th, 2009 | 1:06 pm

      Why does everyone want a guy who hits .250 with 150 strikouts. Spare me the OBP and the HR’s.
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      If you don’t want quantifiable evidence that a guy is good, I don’t know what to tell you.

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