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		<title>By: lisaswan</title>
		<link>http://waswatching.com/2009/02/24/torn-over-the-new-yankee-stadium/comment-page-1/#comment-121816</link>
		<dc:creator>lisaswan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 23:22:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve, I wrote a Subway Squawkers blog entry today about the ticket debacle, and referenced your post:

http://subwaysquawkers.blogspot.com/2009/02/is-20-for-standing-room-tickets.html

What&#039;s even more outrageous to me than the obstructed view seats is the fact that the new stadium is going to have standing room non-seats for over $20 a head. Unreal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="comment-toolbar" style="text-align: right"><input type="button" value="Reply" onclick="CF_Reply('lisaswan');" /><input type="button" value="Quote" onclick="CF_Quote('co_121816','lisaswan');" /></div><span id="co_121816"><p>Steve, I wrote a Subway Squawkers blog entry today about the ticket debacle, and referenced your post:</p>
<p><a href="http://subwaysquawkers.blogspot.com/2009/02/is-20-for-standing-room-tickets.html" rel="nofollow">http://subwaysquawkers.blogspot.com/2009/02/is-20-for-standing-room-tickets.html</a></p>
<p>What&#8217;s even more outrageous to me than the obstructed view seats is the fact that the new stadium is going to have standing room non-seats for over $20 a head. Unreal.</p>
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		<title>By: Hughes gets the start. Posada &#38; Duncan bring home the win&#8230; &#124; The Voice of Yankees Universe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hughes gets the start. Posada &#38; Duncan bring home the win&#8230; &#124; The Voice of Yankees Universe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 05:07:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Matsui Works His Way Back, With Little Fanfare  / Torn Over The NYS [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Raf</title>
		<link>http://waswatching.com/2009/02/24/torn-over-the-new-yankee-stadium/comment-page-1/#comment-119650</link>
		<dc:creator>Raf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 17:38:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There’s no difference.
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Correct, their $$ is just as green...  Besides, if the game catered to the hardcore fan, it wouldn&#039;t be as big as it is today.</description>
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Correct, their $$ is just as green&#8230;  Besides, if the game catered to the hardcore fan, it wouldn&#8217;t be as big as it is today.</p>
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		<title>By: MJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>MJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 17:07:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fans or bandwagon jumpers? (Standing behind them)
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There&#039;s no difference.  To you and I they might be bandwagoneers but they&#039;re fans nonetheless.  Any paying customer that self-identifies as a fan, even if they&#039;re new to the team and only drawn in because the team is winning is still a fan.</description>
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&#8212;&#8211;<br />
There&#8217;s no difference.  To you and I they might be bandwagoneers but they&#8217;re fans nonetheless.  Any paying customer that self-identifies as a fan, even if they&#8217;re new to the team and only drawn in because the team is winning is still a fan.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Lombardi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Lombardi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 16:37:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fans or bandwagon jumpers? (Standing behind them)</description>
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		<title>By: MJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>MJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 16:35:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This season is going to put to the test a lot of people’s fandom vs. dignity.
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I&#039;m not sure I believe that.  If the Yanks are winning, grumbling fans will be drowned out by the people standing behind them who want to buy their tickets.</description>
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I&#8217;m not sure I believe that.  If the Yanks are winning, grumbling fans will be drowned out by the people standing behind them who want to buy their tickets.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Katcher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Katcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 16:10:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Last year I sat in Tier MVP 5 for around $27 a seat. Up in the clouds, but great angle of the whole park.

This year I haven&#039;t even heard back after submitting my preferences. Still processing, they say. A friend who sat a row behind me got offered left-field bleacher seats, traditionally the worst in the house.

I wonder what percentage of the 51,000 people on a given night will be happy where they&#039;re sitting and at the price they paid. And I wonder if that percentage is something the Yankees will deem a success rate, and if they care at all.

This season is going to put to the test a lot of people&#039;s fandom vs. dignity. There are parts of the stadium where I&#039;d be happy to sit for a certain price. And other places at other prices that I could not justify as a rational man.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="comment-toolbar" style="text-align: right"><input type="button" value="Reply" onclick="CF_Reply('Paul Katcher');" /><input type="button" value="Quote" onclick="CF_Quote('co_119635','Paul Katcher');" /></div><span id="co_119635"><p>Last year I sat in Tier MVP 5 for around $27 a seat. Up in the clouds, but great angle of the whole park.</p>
<p>This year I haven&#8217;t even heard back after submitting my preferences. Still processing, they say. A friend who sat a row behind me got offered left-field bleacher seats, traditionally the worst in the house.</p>
<p>I wonder what percentage of the 51,000 people on a given night will be happy where they&#8217;re sitting and at the price they paid. And I wonder if that percentage is something the Yankees will deem a success rate, and if they care at all.</p>
<p>This season is going to put to the test a lot of people&#8217;s fandom vs. dignity. There are parts of the stadium where I&#8217;d be happy to sit for a certain price. And other places at other prices that I could not justify as a rational man.</p>
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		<title>By: Raf</title>
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		<dc:creator>Raf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 15:49:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But, for a mom and dad with two little kids, that’s not the best deal in the world…
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Which is why the minors saw an uptick in attendance.</description>
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Which is why the minors saw an uptick in attendance.</p>
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		<title>By: Raf</title>
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		<dc:creator>Raf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 15:48:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I won’t lie, though. It’s a nice memory I have of going to the ballpark on the morning of a game and knowing that $20 would get me the best seat in an empty house.
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Yep.  In 92, I picked up tickets to Yanks-Jays, Cone-Perez, shortly before the game started.  Sat right under the net.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="comment-toolbar" style="text-align: right"><input type="button" value="Reply" onclick="CF_Reply('Raf');" /><input type="button" value="Quote" onclick="CF_Quote('co_119627','Raf');" /></div><span id="co_119627"><p>I won’t lie, though. It’s a nice memory I have of going to the ballpark on the morning of a game and knowing that $20 would get me the best seat in an empty house.<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-<br />
Yep.  In 92, I picked up tickets to Yanks-Jays, Cone-Perez, shortly before the game started.  Sat right under the net.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Lombardi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Lombardi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 15:48:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The one who really gets squeezed in the new Yankee stadium is the family of four or more.  When I was a kid, my family, the four of us, used to go to several games a year.  It was fun and affordable, etc.

Now, today, if you want to bring a family of four to a Yankees game, and have semi-decent seats, you&#039;re looking at $300-$400 for the tickets alone.  (Maybe more.)  Throw in parking, food, etc., and you&#039;re looking at a $500 day - at the minimum - maybe closer to $600...

So, if you want to take your family of four to a Yankees game, say, once a month, you&#039;re looking at $3,000 of your disposable income.  What&#039;s that grossed-up, something like four grand?

How many families out there can afford to take $4,000 of their annual salary to attend SIX baseball games in a season?  These days, not many...

Of course, the Yankees answer to this is:  Sit in the upper-upper deck, out in the outfield, or, sit in the bleachers, and it will be cheaper, etc.

But, for a mom and dad with two little kids, that&#039;s not the best deal in the world...

Maybe I&#039;m just a crank, but, I think that a baseball game should be priced where a family of four can go to 5 or 6 games a year, get decent seats, and not have to spend several thousand dollars in the process.  Of course, your mileage may differ...as the Yankees seems to...on this one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="comment-toolbar" style="text-align: right"><input type="button" value="Reply" onclick="CF_Reply('Steve Lombardi');" /><input type="button" value="Quote" onclick="CF_Quote('co_119625','Steve Lombardi');" /></div><span id="co_119625"><p>The one who really gets squeezed in the new Yankee stadium is the family of four or more.  When I was a kid, my family, the four of us, used to go to several games a year.  It was fun and affordable, etc.</p>
<p>Now, today, if you want to bring a family of four to a Yankees game, and have semi-decent seats, you&#8217;re looking at $300-$400 for the tickets alone.  (Maybe more.)  Throw in parking, food, etc., and you&#8217;re looking at a $500 day &#8211; at the minimum &#8211; maybe closer to $600&#8230;</p>
<p>So, if you want to take your family of four to a Yankees game, say, once a month, you&#8217;re looking at $3,000 of your disposable income.  What&#8217;s that grossed-up, something like four grand?</p>
<p>How many families out there can afford to take $4,000 of their annual salary to attend SIX baseball games in a season?  These days, not many&#8230;</p>
<p>Of course, the Yankees answer to this is:  Sit in the upper-upper deck, out in the outfield, or, sit in the bleachers, and it will be cheaper, etc.</p>
<p>But, for a mom and dad with two little kids, that&#8217;s not the best deal in the world&#8230;</p>
<p>Maybe I&#8217;m just a crank, but, I think that a baseball game should be priced where a family of four can go to 5 or 6 games a year, get decent seats, and not have to spend several thousand dollars in the process.  Of course, your mileage may differ&#8230;as the Yankees seems to&#8230;on this one.</p>
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