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  • Torre To Kay On Interview Opp: No Thanks

    Posted by on February 6th, 2009 · Comments (7)

    Via Neil Best’s Watchdog:

    …I spoke to his nephew, Michael Kay, the other day about Joe Torre doing interviews with Mike Francesa and Chris Russo during his book tour this week, but not with Kay on 1050 ESPN.

    Kay said he requested a sitdown with Torre, but “he wouldn’t come on with me.” The two had a mostly frosty relationship during Torre’s days with the Yankees, during which Kay was a radio announcer, then YES’ play-by-play man.

    Why did he think Torre turned him down? “Because he has such warm feelings for me, I’m sure, and I for him,” Kay said.

    Whatever their relationship, Kay said he and Torre acted professionally in doing their respective jobs. “Whatever I needed from him, I got from him,” he said. “It wasn’t contentious at all, not at all.”

    Kay said he assumes Torre has not appreciated some of the criticism of him Kay has voiced on his radio show, a forum he did not have during Torre’s early years.

    “I didn’t have a venue to rip him,” Kay said.

    Kay offered few specifics of their relationship but promised to share someday.

    “There are.things he did that I’ll save for my book that were very, very wrong on a personal level,” he said.

    Max Mercy is promising to write a book? Oh, goodie…

    Seriously, this is an interesting story. Is it telling us something about Torre, Kay, or both? Probably both…

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    Giambi: Torre’s Book Hurtful

    Posted by on February 5th, 2009 · Comments (2)

    Via Lisa Guerrero:

    While Joe Torre continues to plug his book, “The Yankee Years,” in New York as the Dodgers winter caravan continues without him, feedback is still rolling in, this time from one of the players mentioned in the tell-all.

    I spoke Wednesday with Jason Giambi, who certainly had mixed feelings about his former manager’s decision to write it, something he’s known about for quite a while because of a phone call he received from the publisher’s fact-checker. These are his first public comments about the book.

    “It’s definitely hurtful,” he told me. “When you play together that long, you’re family. There’s a certain trust involved. We were always like ‘keep everything in-house, especially in New York with that media.’ I was surprised to hear that he was writing a book … he meant so much to that town. But from his point of view you can respect it. He had to get things off his chest,” referring to Torre’s bitter exit from the Yankees.

    When I asked if writing the book violated the trust of his former team, Giambi said, “That’s hard to answer. We were all going in the same direction, we were a family. I can see how other guys will be hurt by it.”

    Then Giambi offers, “It’s hard to know what came from Verducci and what came from Torre,” referring to Tom Verducci, who co-authored the book. “That guy was always hanging around.”

    When told about Giambi’s remarks, Joe Torre apologized – but, Torre would not mention any specific details on what he was apologizing about…

    (Yeah, that’s a joke. Get it?)

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    No DeLoreans Or Flux Capacitors Were Harmed In The Taking Of This Photo

    Posted by on February 5th, 2009 · Comments (0)

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    New York Yankees General Manager Brian Cashman, right, talks Wednesday to former GM Bill Bergesch, a Stamford resident, during a meeting of the Kiwanis Club of Stamford at Atria, a senior residential building in Stamford. (Chris Preovols/Staff photo – via the Stamford Advocate in a feature entitled “Yankees general manager details life in baseball’s hot seat.”)

    Now, there’s a keeper. Brian Cashman and Bill Bergesch. Two G.M.’s cut from the same mold. In fact, it’s almost like looking at a “After” and “Before” picture…

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    Kepner: 25 Random Yankees Player Facts

    Posted by on February 5th, 2009 · Comments (0)

    Have you read Tyler Kepner’s “25 Random Facts About 25 Random Yankees“? Well, you should!

    It’s right up there with “88 Lines About 44 Women” in terms of being a classic.

    Poor Sam Marsonek. Then again, it could have been worse. Replace the vowel “o” with the vowel that sounds like the organ you use to see, in the noun that he slipped on, and, well, that would be some story…a much, much, worse story…

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    Punxsutawney Hank Comes Out Of His Hole

    Posted by on February 5th, 2009 · Comments (0)

    This must mean there’s only one week left to the Yankees winter. Via the AP -

    Hank Steinbrenner is not guaranteeing that his New York Yankees will win the 2009 World Series. Still, the team co-chairman is optimistic heading into the start of spring training next week.

    “Much more so than last year,” Steinbrenner said on Thursday. “I feel real confident going into this season.”

    “The entire team is fired up with what we’ve done,” Steinbrenner said.

    “The American League East is by far the best division in baseball,” Steinbrenner said. “The players can’t be thinking, `Look how good we are on paper.’ They’ve got to earn it in our division.”

    The Yankees have been a focal point off the field this week after the release of former manager Joe Torre’s book “The Yankee Years.”

    “I haven’t read it yet,” Steinbrenner said. “I’ll read it.”

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    Andruw Jones Declines Yanks NRI

    Posted by on February 5th, 2009 · Comments (6)

    Via Bryan Hoch -

    The Yankees’ search for non-roster invitees led them to Andruw Jones, but the veteran outfielder reportedly turned down a chance to attend camp without a big league contract.

    SI.com reported Thursday that the Yankees had offered Jones a non-roster invitation to Spring Training, ostensibly to compete for the center-field job, but the proposal was rejected.

    Good.

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    Loud Mouths: What Impact Wang & Burnett?

    Posted by on February 5th, 2009 · Comments (1)

    Adam Schein and Chris Carlin, yesterday on SNY’s Loud Mouths, discuss Worm Killer Wang and A.J. Burnett – along with their value to the Yankees. Here’s the video:

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    Mussina Follows Up On Mo & Pavano Comments

    Posted by on February 5th, 2009 · Comments (7)

    Via Bryan Hoch -

    In one passage of “The Yankee Years,” Mussina said that Rivera “accomplished nothing in comparison” to what he did before Mussina joined the Yankees in 2001, pointing out Rivera’s blown saves in Game 7 of the ’01 World Series and Game 4 of the ’04 American League Championship Series.

    “The idea of it was not to take any stabs at Mo,” Mussina said on WFAN in New York. “I can’t put into words how important Mo has been to me as an individual player and to us as a team since I went to New York. My accomplishments would not be anywhere near what they are and our team accomplishments certainly would not be what they are without him pitching the ninth inning.

    “I didn’t mean to take any stabs at him. I was just making a factual comment, and it came out sounding like I was trying to cut him down. I’m certainly not trying to cut him down, because he certainly is legendary, and he’s earned that.”

    One instance Mussina has some regrets about, covered in the book, is his handling of a contentious situation with Carl Pavano. In Spring Training 2007, Mussina was critical of the oft-injured right-hander, wondering aloud to reporters if Pavano’s repeated absences were “just coincidence, over and over again.”

    Mussina struck a remorseful tone Wednesday when discussing his treatment of Pavano during their time together.

    “I probably could have approached that better than I did,” Mussina said. “We’re talking about another professional athlete, somebody that has to do the same job that I do. I probably could have done that better.”

    Boy, for a guy who reportedly didn’t like media attention, now that he’s retired, Mussina sure has a lot to say, huh? Granted, it’s not at the Curt Schilling level…but…still

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    SNY WheelHouse: Is Jeter Really Supporting A-Rod?

    Posted by on February 5th, 2009 · Comments (0)

    Brandon Tierney and Scott Ferrall, yesterday on SNY’s WheelHouse, discuss the question. Here’s the video:

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    Jeter Changes Positions…For A Day…

    Posted by on February 5th, 2009 · Comments (1)

    …well, sorta/kinda. Via the AP -

    Derek Jeter admits the New York Yankees spring training game on March 3 will be a strange experience.

    The New York captain will play for the United States against his Yankees in a warmup for the World Baseball Classic.

    “Hopefully, I won’t see any pitches inside,” Jeter joked Thursday. “It will be funny. It will be fun.”

    It would be funny if someone threw one about 15 feet behind him when he comes to the plate for the first time, no?

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    Dierkes: At What Cost…Juan Cruz

    Posted by on February 5th, 2009 · Comments (0)

    SNY.tv checks in with Tim Dierkes of MLB TradeRumors.com. The video is below:

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    WasWatching.com Water Cooler Talk 2/5/09

    Posted by on February 5th, 2009 · Comments (12)

    Feel free to use this post as a place for you to comment on anything Yankees-related (or within reach of tagging the bag of being Yankees-related on a decent slide) today. It could be a casual conversation offering, or, something you saw in the news, or something very detailed that you want to share that’s within the territory of Yankeeland.

    Or, comment on something that someone else has posted here in the comments…

    Have fun. Play nice. And, remember, keep it Yankees-focused.

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    February 2009 Survey Question #1

    Posted by on February 4th, 2009 · Comments (10)

    Please consider taking the following poll:

    Are You Upset With Joe Torre For Writing A Book And Telling Stories About The Yankees?
    View Results

    Thanks in advance. And, please feel free to add comments on your opinion in the comments section below.

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    Has Tampa Office Taken A Swing Back At Torre?

    Posted by on February 4th, 2009 · Comments (3)

    Lee “Hacksaw” Hamilton, on X-M Radio this evening, mentioned a report that said an unnamed source from the Yankees’ Tampa offices had blasted Joe Torre, for writing a book and sharing what he did – as well as getting on Torre paying back George Steinbrenner in this manner after Big Stein had ‘pulled Torre off the scrap heap’ and set him up with some great Yankees teams.

    Where Hamilton got this report…well…I dunno? After looking around, I cannot find it.

    But, if it’s true, who do you think issued this one? It’s not like Hank to hide behind the “unnamed” shield. And, Randy Levine is in New York, not Tampa, right?

    In any event, it’s probably better to see if it’s true first…because, like I said, I cannot find a report to back this up.

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    Kepner: Torre Twisted A-Fraud Stuff, Not Always Playful

    Posted by on February 4th, 2009 · Comments (1)

    Via Tyler Kepner -

    Understand this: Torre is not being forthright with his explanation about the infamous A-Fraud reference on Page 245. In his publicity tour for the book, Torre has repeatedly explained that A-Fraud was something said right in front of Alex Rodriguez, by the coach Larry Bowa, a playful reference to whether he was going to play well that night and be A-Rod, or play poorly and be A-Fraud.

    Here is the actual passage, as written by Torre and Tom Verducci: “Back in 2004, at first Rodriguez did his best to try to fit into the Yankee culture – his cloying, B-grade actor best. He slathered on the polish. People in the clubhouse, including teammates and support personnel, were calling him ‘A-Fraud’ behind his back.”

    Players are being asked about the A-Fraud stuff as they trickle into Tampa for spring training or appear at public functions. Nobody has acknowledged that it’s true, which is not surprising. They will naturally support their teammate, and maybe they never heard the A-Fraud term precisely. But be aware that any Yankee who says he never heard anyone say anything negative about Rodriguez behind his back is either lying or totally oblivious.

    If you spend time around the team as a beat writer, you hear stuff like that from Yankees personnel. You can’t write it because it’s understood to be off the record, but it’s there.

    Do teammates like Alex now? Sure, plenty of them do. He helps them win a lot of games, and nobody questions how hard he works or how badly he wants to succeed. That is also conveyed in the book. But make no mistake: Torre is doing more than spinning now; he’s backtracking on the A-Fraud stuff to soften its impact.

    This ties back into something that I wrote in May of 2006:

    Recently, I heard it from someone who said that they heard it from a source in the Yankees front office – and, yes, I know that things can get mangled in such a game of “telephone” – that the front office’s impression of A-Rod is that he’s a, well, let’s just say “little kitty cat.”

    And, now, three years later, we’re still hearing it…there’s Yankees personnel out there who are not members of the A-Rod fan club. And, I wonder if it will always be that way?

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    Wright For Fryer

    Posted by on February 4th, 2009 · Comments (6)

    Good guy Chase Wright is Brewer bound.

    In sending Wright packing, the Yankees picked up Eric Fryer.

    Fryer is not a terrible prospect. It looks like he can hit a bit. And, if he can catch, maybe he’ll turn into a Jim Leyritz type?

    The fact that the Yankees were able to get someone like Fryer for Wright tells you something about Wright. In most cases, when you DFA a player, like the Yanks did with Chase, you have zero leverage in trying to deal him. Getting a somewhat prospect like Fryer says there was a market for Wright…even as a DFA guy.

    I hope Wright makes the Brewers this season and wins 20 games this year. To me, that would be cool – in so many ways.

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    The Return Of El Brujo…Albeit As A Brewer

    Posted by on February 4th, 2009 · Comments (1)

    Have you seen that the Brewers have signed Ramiro Mendoza to a minor league contract and invited him to Spring Training?

    Mendoza was the Yankees secret weapon. In a way, he was to the 1997-2002 Yankees what David Meggett was to the 1989-1994 football Giants. Man, if ‘Doza comes back, that would be some story…huh?

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    Hoch On Cashman’s Night

    Posted by on February 4th, 2009 · Comments (3)

    If you haven’t read Bryan Hoch’s “An evening with Brian Cashman” yet, you should…it’s a good read.

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    WasWatching.com Water Cooler Talk 2/4/09

    Posted by on February 4th, 2009 · Comments (40)

    Feel free to use this post as a place for you to comment on anything Yankees-related (or within reach of tagging the bag of being Yankees-related on a decent slide) today. It could be a casual conversation offering, or, something you saw in the news, or something very detailed that you want to share that’s within the territory of Yankeeland.

    Or, comment on something that someone else has posted here in the comments…

    Have fun. Play nice. And, remember, keep it Yankees-focused.

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    Cashman Speaks!

    Posted by on February 3rd, 2009 · Comments (2)

    But, he’s not talking about Torre’s book. More so, it’s about his half-billion dollar babies that he picked up this winter and General Joe. Via Dom Amore -

    It will be nearly a year before Brian Cashman can say if he really did “win the winter,” as the big acquisitions he has made for the Yankees seem to indicate. Among the many things to ponder: How long will it take CC Sabathia, Mark Teixeira and A.J. Burnett to adapt to New York.

    “We have to take the heat off them as much as possible,” Cashman said, “and make sure they understand that how the team does will determine success or failure. It’s a new environment for them, the first year will be a transition period for them, some growing pains associated with it. The players who were with the Yankees already will have to step up and help them.”

    Similarly, Cashman says manager Joe Girardi will profit from having a year in New York under his belt.

    “He did a fantastic job managing the games,” Cashman said, “one area that needs to get better is his relationship with the media. In another market, that’s not even an issue. It didn’t help him that the guy he followed was so successful with that.”

    “We’ve won the winter,” Cashman told the crowd, “but that doesn’t mean you’re going to win the summer when it counts. … When you win it’s because of [George Steinbrenner's] money; when you lose it’s your fault, and the truth is somewhere in between.”

    …When you win it’s because of [George Steinbrenner's] money; when you lose it’s your fault, and the truth is somewhere in between…

    Cash’s skin is getting thinner by the day, huh? And, this, from him, while he’s also busy saying that his high-priced imports deserve a buddy-pass in their first year and his manager needs to improve his ability to deal with the media. Well, since it’s Cash’s anniversary, I guess he can say what he wants today, huh?

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    Jeter: I Support A-Rod & Whole Team Is Behind Him

    Posted by on February 3rd, 2009 · Comments (5)

    Via S.I.’s For The Record blog -

    SI.com’s Jimmy Traina caught up with Derek Jeter on Tuesday for an interview that will run in Wednesday’s edition of Hot Clicks.

    With the release of the new book The Yankee Years — which was co-authored by former Yankee manager Joe Torre and Sports Illustrated’s Tom Verducci — much has been made of Alex Rodriguez’s locker room reputation. Jeter, who told SI.com he has not read the book, had this to say about his current relationship with A-Rod:

    “I’m just curious as to why people keep asking the same questions over and over. We’ve been down this road before. Alex is a teammate. I support him. Our whole team is behind him. We all support him. And we’re looking forward to a new season. To be quite honest with you, it’s old hearing the same questions. It’s something that’s been addressed before in the past. Everyone’s moved beyond it. And it doesn’t really need to be addressed again.”

    …Our whole team is behind him…

    Well, of course you’re behind him. Frosted tips and purple lip gloss aside, Alex is still a pretty big dude. So, if you’re going to make fun of him, it’s best to do while standing behind him where he can’t see it…

    And, yes, I’m just kidding here.

    On a serious note, Derek can wish all he wants that this “doesn’t really need to be addressed again,” but, it ain’t gonna happen…at least not for a good while.

    This is what life in Yankeeland is about these days. It’s Peyton Place meets The Bad News Bears.

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    Posada: Torre Didn’t Do Wrong

    Posted by on February 3rd, 2009 · Comments (3)

    Via Anthony McCarron and Peter Botte -

    Jorge Posada joked that it would “take me about three years” to read every page of Joe Torre’s book, “The Yankee Years.” But the Yankee catcher needed no time at all to defend his former manager Tuesday, saying that Torre did not violate clubhouse sanctity with the book and adding that much of the controversial content was common knowledge.

    And, Posada said, the infamous “A-Fraud” moniker for Alex Rodriguez was nothing more than a clubhouse joke uttered solely by former bullpen catcher Mike Borzello – now with Torre in Los Angeles – in front of Rodriguez himself. Rodriguez, Posada said, would be among those chuckling while Borzello tweaked him.

    “There was not one player on those teams that said those words,” Posada said. “Never. If we heard it, it was just (Borzello) messing with Alex and Alex would be right there and he’d be laughing about it. It was never out of disrespect at all. . . . It was never said behind his back by any teammate.”

    “Joe’s done nothing wrong, in my eyes. He’s been a father figure to me, so I don’t think he can do any wrong.”

    Think Mr. T ever sang this one to Jorgie?

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    Quantrill: Torre Did Wrong

    Posted by on February 3rd, 2009 · Comments (4)

    Via Richard Griffin

    “Whatever his involvement is with this book, Joe Torre is the No.1 guy,” [Paul] Quantrill argued. “People may understand that he didn’t say that, but even being Joe Torre, being the greatest manager, blah-blah-blah, he’s walking a thin line. When you start exposing anything from the clubhouse in general, whether it’s about a d*ckhead like ‘the fraud,’ or anything, it doesn’t really matter. It’s that you opened up and said it.

    “You are part of a book and guys don’t usually come out of it in a positive light, especially if they’re still active. To me, it’s pretty straightforward. It doesn’t matter if you’re a slapd*ck like Brian McNamee or Jose Canseco, or whether you’re Joe Torre. There are certain things, whether it be about Alex or whether it be about any player, the sanctity of the clubhouse is something that we all try to live by. It blew me away that an active manager is even involved in a book talking about the daily grind.”

    …When you start exposing anything from the clubhouse in general, whether it’s about a d*ckhead like ‘the fraud,’ or anything, it doesn’t really matter…

    Did Paul Quantrill just call Alex Rodriguez a…..?

    Really?

    Yeah, I think he did.

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    Video Of Torre Speaking @ Book Signing

    Posted by on February 3rd, 2009 · Comments (3)

    The video via SNY.tv:

    “This book is supposed to be a celebration.”

    Yeah, sure, Joe, but, for who?

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    Today Is Joe Torre Book Day In Yankeeland

    Posted by on February 3rd, 2009 · Comments (2)

    I suffer from seasonal allergies. And, three years ago, I found a local allergist who was able to help me out. Actually, we have a pretty good deal. I see him once in February and he gives me prescriptions for Flonase and Astelin with enough refills to last me through October. So, in the end, I only need to see him once a year – every February.

    The first time that I went to see him, in February 2006, I brought a book about Tris Speaker with me to kill the time in his waiting room – as well as the examination room before he got to me. When he saw the book, he asked me if I was a baseball fan. And, that led to a nice conversation where I told him about the book that I wrote back in April 2005 and he shared with me that he was a Yankees fan going way back…having grown up close to the Stadium, etc.

    Now, keep in mind, since that first meeting in February 2006, our only other meetings were in February 2007 and February 2008. And, during those visits, our time together was brief and our conversation was limited to how the Flonase and Astelin was working, etc., and that we were going to use that treatment again that coming season, yadda-yadda.

    Well, it’s February 2009 and today was the day to go see the allergist again (this morning). In total, this was the fourth time that I’ve seen him in the three years since my first visit in February 2006.

    As in my last two visits, we started off talking about using the same prescriptions again this year, and, then, he paused, looked at me, and said “Hey, wait a minute, you’re the ‘baseball’ guy, right?”

    I laughed and said “yes.” And, then, he asked me “So, are you going to read Joe Torre’s book?”

    I laughed again and said “I already pre-ordered it on Amazon and hope that it shows up today.”

    Just goes to show, no matter where you go in the next 12 hours or so, expect the topic to be Joe Torre’s book – because, with his appearances scheduled in New York and New Jersey today, February 3rd (2009) is going to be “Joe Torre Book Day” in Yankeeland, no doubt…

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    WasWatching.com Water Cooler Talk 2/3/09

    Posted by on February 3rd, 2009 · Comments (5)

    Feel free to use this post as a place for you to comment on anything Yankees-related (or within reach of tagging the bag of being Yankees-related on a decent slide) today. It could be a casual conversation offering, or, something you saw in the news, or something very detailed that you want to share that’s within the territory of Yankeeland.

    Or, comment on something that someone else has posted here in the comments…

    Have fun. Play nice. And, remember, keep it Yankees-focused.

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    Pinch Hitting @ The LoHud Yankees Blog

    Posted by on February 3rd, 2009 · Comments (14)

    Today, it’s my turn to pinch-hit at Pete Abe’s LYB. Click here to see my entry there. I’m also pasting the text below as a FYI. I will attempt to answer questions and comments on this one over at Pete’s house today. But, I suspect that I won’t be able to do that until much later this evening. Feel free to comment on this piece there, if interested. But, if you want to leave a comment on it here, that’s fine too. And, I promise to address any questions and comments left here as well – but, it might not be right away, again, because of other commitments on the plate for today.

    This past December, the Yankees signed Free Agent starting pitcher CC Sabathia to seven-year deal for $161 million. And, most Yankees fans now expect the big lefty to be as intimidating as a bear in a used ice truck once he suits up for New York – and that every fifth day, when CC takes his turn, life in Yankeeland will be Sabathialicious.

    And, why not? In 2008, CC Sabathia threw 253 innings (IP) and had 44 Runs Saved Above Average (RSAA) in the process.

    However, just for the fun of it, let us look at some “major” off-season starting pitcher acquisitions made by the Yankees since Brian Cashman became their G.M. (where the pitcher acquired was coming to play home games in New York for the first time) – and see how these pitchers with major league experience did the season before joining the Yankees and how they did during their first season in New York:

    Roger Clemens – Traded for prior to the 1999 season.
    1998 stats: 234.6 IP and 51 RSAA.
    Stats with the Yanks in 1999: 187.6 IP and -4 RSAA.

    Mike Mussina – Signed prior to the 2001 season.
    2000 stats: 237.6 IP and 23 RSAA.
    Stats with the Yanks in 2001: 228.6 IP and 34 RSAA.

    Kevin Brown – Traded for prior to the 2004 season.
    2003 stats: 211 IP and 38 RSAA.
    Stats with the Yanks in 2004: 132 IP and 5 RSAA.

    Javier Vazquez – Traded for prior to the 2004 season.
    2003 stats: 230.6 IP and 48 RSAA.
    Stats with the Yanks in 2004: 198 IP and -10 RSAA.

    Carl Pavano – Signed prior to the 2005 season.
    2004 stats: 222.3 IP and 23 RSAA.
    Stats with the Yanks in 2005: 100 IP and -3 RSAA.

    Randy Johnson – Traded for prior to the 2005 season.
    2004 stats: 245.6 IP and 50 RSAA.
    Stats with the Yanks in 2005: 225.6 IP and 17 RSAA.

    Pretty scary, huh? Clemens, Mussina, Brown, Vazquez, Pavano and Johnson all pitched like an “ace” in their season prior coming to New York. Yet, only Mussina was able to duplicate that during his first year with the Yankees.

    What does this mean? Well, it doesn’t mean, for sure, that Sabathia will not pitch as well in 2009 (as he did last year). But, it does suggest that Yankees fans, within their expectation sets/dreams for CC this season, should allow for the possibility that Sabathia may not replicate his 2008 success during his first year in Yankeeland. Nothing in baseball is a lock – especially sustained excellence by a starting pitcher (as demonstrated herein by the numbers for Clemens, Brown, Vazquez, Pavano and Johnson).

    In any event, as Yankees fans, let’s hope that CC Sabathia has a “first time in New York” experience more like Mike Mussina did in 2001 – because, if he doesn’t, it’s going to be a long baseball season this year in the Bronx.

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    Torre’s Broken Cashman’s Heart?

    Posted by on February 2nd, 2009 · Comments (1)

    Via Ken Rosenthal -

    [Joe] Torre’s revelations about players such as Carl Pavano, Kevin Brown and, of course, Alex Rodriguez are receiving far more attention than his criticisms of [Brian] Cashman.

    Most manager-player relationships, though, are fleeting. Cashman was Torre’s GM for 10 years, from 1998 to 2007.

    The Yankees won the World Series in the first three of those years. They made the playoffs in all 10. And Torre and Cashman formed what should have been an unbreakable bond while working for George Steinbrenner, perhaps the most demanding owner in sports.

    Now this.

    Amid the initial uproar over “The Yankee Years,” Torre revealed to the New York Times that he told Cashman, “we’d always be friends.” As much as Torre talks about trust, he cannot possibly believe that.

    Cashman, friends say, is “crushed” by how Torre depicted him in the book. He had considered Torre a second father. And he was loyal to Torre, except, perhaps, at the very end.

    Torre should be upset if Cashman indeed failed to speak on his behalf at the final meeting — and if Cashman failed to inform ownership of a contract proposal that Torre believed might save his job.

    But is that even what happened?

    Some close to Cashman dispute that the final meeting went down as Torre described and say that other portrayals in the book are pure fiction as well.

    There are two sides to every story, especially in a relationship as lengthy and complicated as the one between Cashman and Torre.

    While the book accurately points out Cashman’s flaws — his abysmal record with pitching and occasional overreliance on sabermetric analysis — Torre goes out of his way to embarrass and diminish his supposed friend.

    Cashman made more than his share of mistakes, often leaving Torre in a compromised position, particularly with pitching. Some of Torre’s friends still burn that Cashman was “Teflon” with his ability to escape criticism. But Cashman, as the book explains, also did not operate in a vacuum.

    The team’s Tampa-based executives routinely interfered with Cashman’s decision making before he assumed full control in 2005. Then, when Steinbrenner’s health began to decline, an ownership committee came to power and again complicated matters.

    Oh yes, Cashman also had to deal with a celebrity manager who had his own shortcomings. That’s baseball. Even the best and brightest, from Torre to Red Sox GM Theo Epstein, are prone to stumble.

    Torre takes responsibility for some of his own slip-ups — recommending Todd Zeile, endorsing the trade of Ted Lilly for Jeff Weaver and most notably, failing to remind Mariano Rivera to be aggressive against Kevin Millar leading off the ninth inning of Game 4 of the 2004 ALCS.

    But too often, it’s Cashman this, Cashman that. Cashman wanting Kei Igawa when he could have re-acquired Lilly as a free agent. Cashman insisting that Josh Phelps and Doug Mientkiewicz replace Bernie Williams. Cashman making wacky suggestions on how to use players and using assistants to spy on pitching coach Ron Guidry.

    Whatever his faults, Cashman was Torre’s principal ally, defending him to ownership, even hiring coaches such as Tony Peña and Larry Bowa when the manager appeared to be growing too distant from his players.

    Cashman never criticized Torre publicly for burning out relievers, for batting A-Rod eighth in an elimination game, for presiding over one postseason collapse after another.

    Torre gives perspective to the Yankees’ playoff failures by pointing out their stunning overall success while he was manager — four World Series titles, 12 straight postseason appearances, booming attendance.

    Fair enough. But Cashman was a major part of that success, too, signing Mike Mussina, trading for David Justice, Roger Clemens and Bobby Abreu, among others. Sure Cashman had the most money to play with. But Torre benefited from the Yankees’ largesse, too.

    We can sit here all day finger-pointing, but frankly, this discussion should not even be taking place. Torre and Cashman have a shared history, warts and all. That history should bind them forever. But Joe Torre wrote a book, tearing them apart.

    Torre has his story. Sounds like Brian Cashman has his own too. Maybe we need another angle on this…to get a story that’s not coming from Camp Torre or Camp Cashman?

    Rick Cerrone was Senior Director of Media Relations for the Yankees from 1996 through 2006. It’s too bad he wasn’t there for 2007 – as he then could have provided the perfect coverage on the Torre/Cashman years.

    Reggie Jackson has been a special adviser in the Yanks front office since 1993. Maybe he can do a book and set the record straight. Then again, why would Mr. October bite the hand that feeds him?

    Gene Michael? Nah, stick wouldn’t do it. Neither would Mark Newman. Too bad…I bet they know the true skinny. In the meantime, it will be “he said/she said” and everyone will have to pick sides, I suppose…

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    Mussina: Torre Broke Trust, Leaves Others To Deal With It

    Posted by on February 2nd, 2009 · Comments (8)

    Via Bob Klapisch:

    In fact, Torre may never be welcomed back into the Yankee community, and that includes being honored at the Stadium — a tribute he once richly deserved.

    “Joe has started something that a lot of people are going to have to answer to,” Mike Mussina said by telephone on Thursday. “Joe’s going to have to answer to it too, but it won’t be as bad for him because he’s with the Dodgers now. But it’s going to be bad for the guys he left behind.”

    Through the excerpted passages, Torre has been systematically embarrassing the weaker figures of his clubhouses. Alex Rodriguez was called out as a coward. Kevin Brown was seen as a troubled, if not twisted soul, described as ready to leave the Yankees altogether after a bad outing at Tropicana Field. Torre didn’t stop there — he allowed readers to glimpse Randy Johnson’s anti-social behavior and mocked Carl Pavano for being universally disliked by the Yankees.

    Each one of these depictions reveals a casual, insulting quality to Torre’s personality that seems almost incomprehensible. For more than a decade, Torre won over the public not because he was a great manager, but because he was a good man. But now we ask: Is this the same man who embraced Paul O’Neill as the slugger wept in his arms after the 1999 World Series?

    Mussina said, “it’s not just what goes on in the clubhouse, it’s sitting on the bus, or if you’re out having lunch. As a ballplayer you need to know who you have to watch out for and who you can trust. First and foremost, you should be able to trust your manager.

    “I mean, people knew that Brown was out there, and that Randy was ornery all the time. And Pavano is whoever he is. But if you’re their manager, you can’t go out and write about them like that.”

    Correct me if I’m wrong, but, didn’t Mussina have things to say, in public, about Johnson and Pavano, two years ago? And, now, it’s not allowed? Really?

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    WasWatching.com #73 In Wikio’s “Sports” Blogs Rankings

    Posted by on February 2nd, 2009 · Comments (4)

    Last month, “WasWatching.com” stood at # 83 in Wikio’s rankings for all “Sports” blogs. (Wikio is an aggregator of online news and blogs.) And, we’ve just been informed that we’ve moved up to # 73 in their new rankings for February (to be released on Thursday).

    How does Wikio’s Top Blogs ranking work? The position of blogs in their Wikio ranking depends on the number and value of links that other blogs point toward them. The value of these links depends on the ranking of the blog publishing them. So in their algorithm, the value of a link published on a highly ranked blog is more important than a posted link on a blog with a lower ranking.

    WasWatching.com is honored to placed among all these other great blogs. Thanks to all my fellow bloggers for linking to WasWatching.com and making this possible.

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