Sheehan: Yanks Have Right Pen In ’09
Joe Sheehan likes the Yankees bullpen -
Other than re-signing 2008 trade acquisition Damaso Marte to a three-year, $12 million deal, the Yankees made the statement, however implicit, that they are committed to their homegrown relievers in 2009. One of the bright spots in the team’s first October-free season since 1994 was the emergence of hurlers such as Edwar Ramirez and Jose Veras, who combined to strike out 126 men in 113 innings with a 3.74 ERA. By the end of the season, Phil Coke and David Robertson were making contributions in low-leverage situations. Add in free-talent pickups like Brian Bruney and Alfredo Aceves, and the Yankees have more than enough effective relievers to go around, whether you’ve heard of them or not.
Staying out of the reliever market is a good idea for the Yankees, who have spent most of the decade trying and failing to recapture the magic that was Mike Stanton and Jeff Nelson in the seventh and eighth innings. The set-up tandem from 1997 through 2000 contributed to three division titles, four playoff appearances, and three World Championships. Joe Torre’s ability to run a bullpen was in no small part predicated on having those two pitchers around; since ’01, Torre has never seemed quite as comfortable with his relief staff.
Actually, the Yankees bullpen in 2002 was not terrible. See this list of seasons, from 1996 through 2008, where the Yankees had guys on their team with an ERA+>=115 along with a H+BB/IP Ratio<=1.33, with at least 30 games pitched and 85% of them in relief:
Year Number Players Matching +----+--------------------------+------+---------------------------+ 2002 4 Mike Stanton / Steve Karsay / Ramiro Mendoza / Mo Rivera 2006 3 Scott Proctor / Mariano Rivera / Mike Myers 2001 3 Mariano Rivera / Ramiro Mendoza / Randy Choate 1998 3 Mariano Rivera / Graeme Lloyd / Darren Holmes 1997 3 Jeff Nelson / Mariano Rivera / Mike Stanton 2008 2 Mariano Rivera / Brian Bruney 2007 2 Mariano Rivera / Mike Myers 2005 2 Tom Gordon / Mariano Rivera 2004 2 Tom Gordon / Mariano Rivera 2003 2 Mariano Rivera / Chris Hammond 2000 2 Jeff Nelson / Mariano Rivera 1996 2 John Wetteland / Mariano Rivera 1999 1 Mariano Rivera
Me? I’m not 100% sold on the Yankees bullpen this season. I’ve already documented concerns on Bruney, Ramirez and Veras. That leaves Marte and some rookies to support Mo Rivera.
Could it work? Sure, maybe… Then again, maybe not…
Lol, Steve. You sure do love your hedging. Maybe…maybe not. Not 100% sold? What about 90%? 80? Do you like the bullpen or not? It is a simple yes or no question.
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Mo is Mo. Marte’s OK. I just don’t see someone else there being as good as Nelson was…
http://waswatching.com/2008/03/18/missing-stanton-nelson-lloyd-part-ii/
Coke might be able to be a Lloyd (with Marte being Stanton). But, again, who’s Nelson this year?
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If the bullpen repeated this year what it did last year, is that good enough for you?
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~~If the bullpen repeats this year what it did last year, is that good enough for you?~~
No. I want to see a more consistent effort.
Last year, the pen had an ERA of 5.42 in August with 7 losses charge to them. That’s bad performance at a bad time.
That’s fair Steve. But I would guess that you are going to see even the best bullpens have months like that. I’ll concede that August is not a great time to have that sort of breakdown.
I think the Yankees bullpen will be strong this season. They did a decent job last season, Bruney looks poised for a big season, and when was the last time the Yankees this many young arms ready to go? They have plenty of guys ready to pick up the slack if some fail.
How about this Steve. I’ll agree with you when you say a repeat of last year’s august would not be ideal, even though we all know a bullpen is unpredictable. But how do you feel about the way the bullpen is built?
Developed Yankee pen arms that are cheap, some cast offs like Bruney and Edwar who are also cheap and for the most part, productive, and a trade for one of the better lefty relievers in the majors. With most of these guys either drafted by the Yanks, picked up off the trash heap by the Yanks and identified as a needed trade, can you give Cashman some credit for this? I don’t see any $5-$6 million a year guys past their prime anymore, it’s the result of pure scouting and drafting.
I agree, their depth is very strong. I have confidence in this bullpen
The Yanks’ bullpen will be fine, and better than fine if Bruney can really fill the Nelson role, rembering that Nelson always had 1 or 2 stretches a season where he lost command of the frisbee slider and got lit up or walked the park.
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