WasWatching.com Water Cooler Talk 3/4/09
Posted by Steve L. on March 4th, 2009 · Comments (27)
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doesnt youkilis look strange with no facial hair?
doesnt youkilis look strange with no facial hair?
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Youkilis looks strange no matter what.
anyone else get the impression that hacker looked like T-Clip v 2.0 from the ST game? Granted its hard to look good gettin knocked around by the US “all star” team,but still I didn’t see anything that would make me say ok we should look for him
Anybody know much about the season package purchasing? I’m trying to order the 15 game saturday package but it only lets me look at super expensive seats. I just want some bleachers and it won’t let me. Bleachers sold out? Not part of package plans anymore? Let me know if you know
doesnt youkilis look strange with no facial hair?
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Careful Corey, I got crucified for commenting on somebody’s appearance here
Careful Corey, I got crucified for commenting on somebody’s appearance here
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LOL!
Manny’s new deal:
“According to MLB.com, $25 million of the contract is deferred over five years and Ramirez has the right to opt out of the deal after one year.”
Manny to Yankees next year rumors starting in 5. 4. 3. 2. 1…
Manny’s new deal
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The Dodgers are such a bunch of chumps. They had all the leverage and still got taken to the cleaners by Boras.
~~Anybody know much about the season package purchasing? I’m trying to order the 15 game saturday package ~~
IIRC, someone told me that the Sat package was now gone – and that they were forcing people to buy Sat games and weekday day games at the same time.
But, I could be wrong on that.
Careful Corey, I got crucified for commenting on somebody’s appearance here
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lol
doesnt youkilis look strange with no facial hair?
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Some of the Red Sox have that gay lumberjack look from the Sopranos down pat! That includes Youk, who has a very unwholesome look.
The Dodgers are such a bunch of chumps. They had all the leverage and still got taken to the cleaners by Boras.Quote
I feel exactly the opposite way. Who were the Dodgers gonna go with? Barry Bonds? Bonds would have been wearing pinstripes (no not Yankee pinstripes) by the end of the season! The Dodgers needed a big bopper and who was left? Abreu and Dunn were signed, so they had no one to pit against Manny as a Plan B. Colletti is till a chump anyway BUT Manny was in the driver’s seat not the Hollywood Dodgers formerly of Brooklyn! They needed Manny a ton more than he needed them.
They needed Manny a ton more than he needed them.
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While I agree that the Dodgers needed Manny’s bat in their lineup, I don’t agree that the Dodgers had no leverage.
Sitting out the season wasn’t going to get Manny MORE money next year so if he wanted to get the best payday he could, he had no choice but to go back to the Dodgers. No one else was bidding against them and the only other team that was interested in Manny was San Fran and they had no intention of giving him $20M or more to play for them.
Can anyone explain to me exactly why the mets didnt sign this clown? is there something im missing? Does anyone else think that with Manny inthe lineup they are far and away the best team in the NL??? I just dont understand it, can Omar be THIS stupid? haha i hope so….hilarious
Even still, the Dodgers had zero Plan B and even if Sabean was bluffing, Colletti couldn’t take any chances. Can you imagine how anemic the Dodgers offense would be sans Manny? They would make the Bluebirds of the Great White North look like the ’27 Yankees!Maybe not that bad, but you get the drift. Who’s to say that the Giants wouldn’t have made a bid on Manny. They need offense desperately, so it’s not that far out of bounds. Then again that dolt Sabean gave Renteria top money before the market fell so what do I know. He has good young pitching and goes for Johnson! It would have been great to see Manram in SanFran, just to see if he could be the Man that made the difference like in Hollywoodland.
I feel exactly the opposite way. Who were the Dodgers gonna go with?
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A Repko-Paul platoon, or Juan Pierre, or whomever they decide they want to move around. They could have made a trade as well.
Can anyone explain to me exactly why the mets didnt sign this clown? is there something im missing? Does anyone else think that with Manny inthe lineup they are far and away the best team in the NL??? I just dont understand it, can Omar be THIS stupid? haha i hope so….hilarious Quote
My mystery question is more about why Toronto didn’t sign him. Their parent company made 500 million dollars the quarter before last! They run that team like a business so they want to make money and I guess that is why the Rogers group is so successful, but not that successful or bright when it comes to its baseball team.
Now why did I mention the Bluebirds? The Rogers group doesn’t have the same problem the Mets have. Madoff made off with 300 million of the Sterling Group’s money! They gave us some bullshit that it didn’t affect payroll BLAH, BLAH, BLAH…yeah right. Look, I rip Cash Man but Omar is no great shakes either. What are they spending? 140 mill. Where is that going to? Yeah, I complain about the excessive spending of the Yanks, but I can point to several people and say that guy’s a superstar and he should make that much. However withe los Metropolitanos de Nueva York, I look at Santana and Beltran(who is good but overpaid) and say to myself, out of a payroll of 140 million dollars someone is putting 50 million dollars in their pocket! Manram should be on that squad, but Omar’s missteps have ballooned the payroll to a point where he has no flexibilty. I also love the way Omar was awarded a 4 year extension when he bombs out of the playoffs by one game two years in a row. Yankee fans count yourself blessed, we might have Cash Man and the Steinbrenners BUT the front office for Los Mets is in no way filled with a bunch of bright baseball people…….
the dodgers problem is that they know if they went too low there was a chance that another team could swoop in (like the yanks did with tex), and there was no way of knowing what the magic number would have been for other teams to get involved. Maybe if the Dodgers offer 15 mil, the giants match and manny goes to SF cause he feels burned by the dodgers. Then what do the dodgers do? They couldn’t risk losing manny to SF cause if they did SF would, IMO, have the edge over LA
A Repko-Paul platoon, or Juan Pierre, or whomever they decide they want to move around. They could have made a trade as well.Quote from Raf
Raf, Pierre? Pierre is a fourth outfielder on this team. He was a never was with the Dodgers. They would be delighted to just move this guy out of town like they did with Andruw Jones.They rue the day they signed that contract. And no one is gonna replicate Manram’s production on that team….no way. Without Manram last year, Torre would have been golfing in Hawaii come playoff time last year!
Can you imagine how anemic the Dodgers offense would be sans Manny?
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AVG RS
Before trade: 4.17
After trade: 4.63
a .47 difference in average.
I will be interested to see what kind of season Manny will post in 2009. I think 08 was a spike of some sort; given fangraphs valuing, Manny has been on the decline since 2003.
Before trade: 4.17 (108 games)
After trade: 4.63 (54 games)
Even IF the money is too much for the mets to spend, dont you think they should feel obligated to their fans to sign Manny as a sign of goodwill? After the way their last two seasons ended they needed to do more than just upgrade the bullpen. I thought they needed to make a statement, and while 25M dollars to Manny for 1 year may be too steep for their payroll or whatever, it wouldnt be a bad way to open the new ballpark and get the fans optimistic again. PLus like i said i couldnt imagine how that team doesnt make the world series with manny in the lineup. Now…they are just another mediocre contender
Before trade: 4.17 (108 games)
After trade: 4.63 (54 games)
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Sabermetrics Schabermetrics! You can twist that stat anyway you bloody well want, but the offense did improve as per that stat. How about run differential or wins in one run games. Like every stat, it tells merely one/tenth of the story. It it is mere still from a motion picture rather than the whole 2 hour shebang!Raf you might be the only person in America that thinks that the Dodgers would have been anything without Manram, unh? I notice you didn’t put up the sacred Winshare stat.:) Let’s face it if they went with Pierre(who is persona non grata to a lot of Hollywood fans) and anybody ,it ain’t the same thing. I also believe that if Manram stayed on the Red Pox they would have had World Series no 3 in 5 years as well. You take away Manram and put in a good/nice player like Bay and there is something missing. Love or hate Manny, he is an RBI machine and a great clutch player……He even had an effect on the Dodger’s offense in terms of the younger guys watching him work and hit like nuts. Oh, but I forgot that sabermetrics don’t explain that fact………only that old, irrelevant calling scouting!
Tcarda agreed, but the Coupons oops I mean the Wilpons don’t want him. I agreed with your assertion, but Omar gave himself little wiggle room. I mean would you rather have one year of Manny at 25 or one year of Delgado at 16 mill? Delgado was terrible in the first half of last year, Manny wasn’t. I will admit that Omar did a great job with the bullpen but that was only half of the major adjustment they needed to make. They needed to solve their lack of clutch hitting. Their answer, the Irish Hammer(Dan Murphy)! Manny would have been perfect , if Omar wasn’t such a dolt in regards to signing Castillo(los Metropolitanos’ equivalent to the Igawa singing in terms of idiocy and a waste of money) and Delgado, he could have signed Hudson for a song and have money freed up for Manram. Then again, los Mets like to shop at Marshalls while the Yanks(as obscene and top heavy as their payroll is) they at least shop at Tiffany’s , even though there might be a chink on what they get sometimes!
Sabermetrics Schabermetrics!
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Um, that’s average runs per game… The offense improved by 1/2 a run on average after Manny showed up. Not as a big a difference as is being made…
Like every stat, it tells merely one/tenth of the story. It it is mere still from a motion picture rather than the whole 2 hour shebang!
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Eh? We’re talking about scoring runs. I’d introduce the runs allowed aspect, but Manny doesn’t pitch.
Raf you might be the only person in America that thinks that the Dodgers would have been anything without Manram, unh?
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Don’t know where I said that, I just pointed out potential replacements if Manny didn’t sign with the Dodgers. I don’t think the Dodgers would run 8 players out there if Manny decided he wanted to play elsewhere, though stranger things have happened.
You take away Manram and put in a good/nice player like Bay and there is something missing.
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I’m sure they said the same thing about Tino & Girardi when they replaced Mattingly & Stanley, that seemed to work out ok
He even had an effect on the Dodger’s offense in terms of the younger guys watching him work and hit like nuts.
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You have no idea how Ethier, Kemp & Co did in the Dodgers system, do you?
Oh, but I forgot that sabermetrics don’t explain that fact………
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Nope, but they explain that Kemp (.311-.359/.519), Ethier (.314-.384/.458), Loney (.296-.362/.430), Paul (.286-.357/.433), among others are knocking on the door…
It’s OK Raf you can spin and the Dodgers can go and play better baseball with Manram. Ask any scout what Manram’s contribution was to the Dodgers, better yet ask people like Torre and Bowa what kind of impact he had. I really don’t think they would even think of pulling a stat that shows a minimal improvement in their team statistically. Torre wanted back because he knows that they are much weaker without him. Get me what the Hollywood beat writers and scouts say and any stat comes to life BUT being that the Dodgers got into the playoffs with Manram that negates any .5 run differntial.
The replacement value for some of these players is a joke. They are good players BUT they “ain’t” Manram. In a big spot, do you want to have Ethier up or Manram? I mean c’mon, there was a question of whether or not Charlie Manuel would pitch to Manram in the playoffs! And as a Yankee fan, you should know much better , Manram with Big Flappi is the ultimate Yankee killer of the last 6 years. If those two are not on that team, they don’t reverse the curse and the fans in New England would get to cry in their beer one more time.
*sigh*
Stats are a collection of what a player has done. If a player is capable of making a contribution, it will show up in the stats.
Whether you, Torre, Bowa, or scouts believe otherwise, it doesn’t change whatever stats are posted. Because the stats are a record of what a player has done in the game. They are *FACTS* they are OBJECTIVE, not OPINIONS, which are SUBJECTIVE.
And as a Yankee fan, you should know much better , Manram with Big Flappi is the ultimate Yankee killer of the last 6 years
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Um, yeah… Manny signed with the Red Sox in 2001, Ortiz, 2003. Number of times the Red Sox finished ahead of the Yanks? Twice, in 2007 & 2008. So, what does being a “Yankee killer” have to do with anything, exactly?
If those two are not on that team, they don’t reverse the curse and the fans in New England would get to cry in their beer one more time.
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Same thing happens if Rivera doesn’t blow a save…