• April 18th vs. The Indians

    Posted by on April 18th, 2009 · Comments (15)

    Ten days ago, I pointed out that Chien-Ming Wang has been trending in the wrong direction for the last three years. However, that doesn’t explain what we’ve seen from Wanger in his three starts, so far, this season. There’s something not right for him this year – and, whatever it is, it’s major. And, the Yankees can’t afford to keep running him out there every five days and having him only go one, two, or three innings.

    At this point, New York should send down Anthony “Mike Griffin” Claggett and send Wang to the pen to be their last/long man – to pitch in blow-outs until he finds himself.

    Call up Ian Kennedy. Call up Jason Johnson. Heck, call up somebody and give them Wang’s turn in the rotation. Again, it makes no sense to keep running him out there. He’s proven that he’s got a huge problem now and its ruining the entire pitching staff – with the drain it’s putting on the bullpen.

    It hurts me to say this…because I like the guy…but, it has to happen: Wang to the pen and give someone else his turn…until Wang proves he’s capable of giving you 5+ quality innings in a start on a consistent basis.

    Comments on April 18th vs. The Indians

    1. OnceIWasAYankeeFan
      April 18th, 2009 | 8:26 pm

      Does anyone know definitively if Wang has options left? It seems likely to me that he does, as I seem to recall him essentially coming up to stay, as he only left the roster when he was hurt. I don’t think it makes any sense to put him in the bullpen unless you have to because he can’t be sent to the minors (or, and this is even less likely, he can’t be sent without his consent).

      Wang is definitely a mess, and maybe more of a mess psychologically than otherwise. His bullpen this week supposedly went well – where he threw live BP instead of working off of the bullpen mound, to see how batters reacted to his stuff. Everyone said he looked great, kept the ball down. Its as if he started missing again, and it went to hell because he has no confidence in his ability to make adjustments. Or just no confidence at all.

      I did think of one positive out of this game – it makes the Yanks look like overachievers, since a game like this one sends your pythag W-L all to hell, being .500 instead of 4-8 is a good a thing. ;)

    2. butchie22
      April 18th, 2009 | 8:36 pm

      Wanger definitely must have some psychological issues no doubt about that. Kay keeps on parroting that the club will only sign him for one year deals because of his potential physical issues. This was a disgraceful outing and it is so shameful to see a pitcher with so much talent not being able to pitch to his ability. I honestly hope that he doesn’t end up like Dontrelle or Felix the Cat Heredia. This kid was once the Yankees’ ace for chrissakes, though he never pitched like a true 1a like Halladay or Santana. Steve, I agree about Wang missing that next start, they might have to bring up Tomko or Hughes, BUT the Yankees can’t afford to have this type of debacle happen every 5th day. I like this kid too, but he’s hurting the team, hopefully he can straighten himself out.

    3. Raf
      April 18th, 2009 | 8:43 pm

      Whatever his issues are, he’s not going to straighten them out in the pen; he has to work them out with consistent work @ SWB

    4. April 18th, 2009 | 8:54 pm

      Wang can be demoted; he has options AND he can’t refuse demotion b/c he has less than 5 years service. Tomorrow they should demote Claggett AND Wang (to Tampa) for Melancon (60-day Nady) and either Tomko or Aceves.

      Maybe they should consider DLing Matsui for Miranda too…

    5. yagottagotomo1
      April 18th, 2009 | 9:08 pm

      Wang has no options. You get three option YEARS, not 3 times of sending someone down, and Wang’s option years have expired.

    6. OnceIWasAYankeeFan
      April 18th, 2009 | 9:35 pm

      Are you saying that there have been three seasons he has been on the major league team and sent down to the minors? Because that is not the case. He’s been in the majors 2005-2009. He was called up in 2005. That’s one option year.

      His only other appearances in the minors was a five inning start for Tampa in 2007. I’d assume that was a rehab start which would not count as an option year being used.

      Even if that were to count as an option year, he’d have one more season in which he could be sent down without passing through waivers. And as HoF reports, only after five years service time can you decline being sent to the minors.

      Let’s compare with Cliff Lee, since he’s another pitcher who had success, stopped having success, and was sent down. Lee made two starts in 2002 and 9 in 2003. 2004 – 2006 he made all his starts at the major league level. Of course, in 2002 and 2003, he spent a good amount of time in the minors – using two of his option years.

      In 2007 he stunk and was optioned down to the minors, using his third and final option.

      Based on Cliff Lee’s history, its quite obvious to me that you are wrong. Lee had three seasons in the majors, two seasons he spent time in both the majors and the minors. Then he was optioned down when his performance dropped so badly.

      Wang has 1 season spent in both the majors and minors. His service time is no different than Lee’s was. I would bet that Wang in fact has two more option years though if it is true that five year’s service time wipes out any remaining options, then this is the last season the Yankees can send Wang down.

      But its pretty obvious to me that he can be sent down.

    7. April 18th, 2009 | 9:54 pm

      One thing about Wang to remember: He carries an entire nation – his homeland – on his shoulders. He’s like Michael Jordan there.

      If you send him down to AAA, he loses some serious face, and it could be crushing to him – even more so than just stinking up the joint in the majors.

    8. bfriley76
      April 18th, 2009 | 9:56 pm

      Once…according to Joe Girardi, you’re wrong.

      From PeteAbe’s blog:

      It’s reason to consider a demotion. That, though, is not possible according to Girardi. A team cannot send a player to the minors unless they have options or the player agrees and has at least five years of service. Wang has no options and hasn’t been in the majors long enough.

    9. yagottagotomo1
      April 18th, 2009 | 9:59 pm

      Nope. You dont need to be sent down for an option year to be used. Here are the exact facts from Rob Neyer’s transaction primer.

      “When you hear that a player is “out of options,” that means he’s been on the 40-man roster during three different seasons, beginning with his fourth as a pro, and to be sent down again he’ll have to clear waivers.”

      Girardi has confirmed that Wang is out of options. Wang has been on the 40 man roster for four seasons beginning with his 4th as a pro, and is out of options. Cliff Lee may have been an exception in that some players have 4 option years, the parameters of which I am unsure about.

    10. OnceIWasAYankeeFan
      April 18th, 2009 | 10:20 pm

      Cliff Lee would have to qualify as a hell of an exception, considering that he had major league starts in 2002 and 2003 (also spent time in the minors); 2004, 2005 and 2006 were spent in the majors – never sent down – and in 2007, his SIXTH season he would have been on the 40 man roster, he was optioned down.

      I stand corrected but its obvious these rules are a bit more complex, starting with why some players would have more than three option years, and how Lee was optioned in his sixth year of being on the 40 man roster and spending time in the majors.

    11. clintfsu813
      April 18th, 2009 | 10:32 pm

      Anybody else bothered with Posada showing his public disapproval with being pulled in 9th yesterday? We won game, you’re 37 years old, and you killed us last year with your injury. Suck it up!

    12. yagottagotomo1
      April 18th, 2009 | 10:36 pm

      After some digging, it seems that Lee passed through waivers unclaimed due to his having signed a three year deal the previous offseason.

    13. OnceIWasAYankeeFan
      April 18th, 2009 | 10:38 pm

      Now I understand. Thanks.

    14. April 18th, 2009 | 11:04 pm

      clintfsu813 wrote:

      Anybody else bothered with Posada showing his public disapproval with being pulled in 9th yesterday? We won game, you’re 37 years old, and you killed us last year with your injury. Suck it up!

      I’m more interested in how quick Girardi is pulling Jeter in all these blowouts. How’s he gonna beat Rose’s hit record that way? ;-)

    15. Raf
      April 19th, 2009 | 12:31 am

      One thing about Wang to remember: He carries an entire nation – his homeland – on his shoulders. He’s like Michael Jordan there.

      If you send him down to AAA, he loses some serious face, and it could be crushing to him – even more so than just stinking up the joint in the majors.
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      Shouldn’t be a factor or consideration. If Nomo & Igawa, two name but two popular pitchers can ply their trade in the minors, so can Wang

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