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    1. clintfsu813
      April 22nd, 2009 | 8:55 am

      Looking like another rainout today?

    2. Corey
      April 22nd, 2009 | 9:45 am

      another scoreless inning and a third for Pat Venditte in low A…can’t wait for him to be in trenton or scranton, i wanna go see him pitch

    3. YankCrank
      April 22nd, 2009 | 9:47 am

      Anybody still hating on A-Rod?

      Cody is hitting a clean .159 with 13 strikeouts and only two walks. Not to mention a -24.1 uzr/150 at 3b.

      Now I remember saying that Cody would be an ok fill-in, which I was clearly very wrong in saying so. But man, I wonder how many people are saying, “Make all the headlines you want Alex, just come back now!”

      Really makes you appreciate what he does for the Yanks.

    4. MJ
      April 22nd, 2009 | 10:04 am

      Really makes you appreciate what he does for the Yanks.
      ——-
      You’d think so, but there are still enough idiots among the fanbase that believe Aaron Boone is better. Sad but true.

      I can’t wait for A-Rod to come back. I hope he has another awesome season for us.

    5. Raf
      April 22nd, 2009 | 10:12 am

      You’d think so, but there are still enough idiots among the fanbase that believe Aaron Boone is better. Sad but true.
      —————
      And Scott Brosuis. Because “H3 h4z R1NGZ!1!1!!” and Rodriguez doesn’t. A ridiculous argument if I’ve ever heard one. Paul O’Neill has more rings than Hank Aaron & Bernie Williams has more rings than Willie Mays, you have to have to be smoking some industrial grade stuff to think that O’Neill and Williams are better than Aaron and Mays.

    6. MJ
      April 22nd, 2009 | 10:25 am

      clintfsu813 wrote:

      Looking like another rainout today?

      I hope not. I was looking forward to watching Brett Anderson pitch for the A’s. He’s supposed to be pretty darn good.

    7. MJ
      April 22nd, 2009 | 10:27 am

      Raf wrote:

      And Scott Brosuis. Because “H3 h4z R1NGZ!1!1!!” and Rodriguez doesn’t. A ridiculous argument if I’ve ever heard one. Paul O’Neill has more rings than Hank Aaron & Bernie Williams has more rings than Willie Mays, you have to have to be smoking some industrial grade stuff to think that O’Neill and Williams are better than Aaron and Mays.

      I know. Yet somehow people still don’t get it. I’ve given up hope that Yankee fans might actually appreciate A-Rod. The few of us that like and root for A-Rod just have to grin and bear it with the rest of the folks that think he sucks.

    8. Corey
      April 22nd, 2009 | 10:30 am

      i think its more like this…..

      he thinks, talks and acts like hes the cock of the walk, therefore he should play like he is… and when he doesn’t its a fail…if he just shut his mouth and played, i think it’d be a different story

      i’m not on the brosuis, boone > a-rod bandwagon, i’m just playin devil’s advocate that’s all

    9. clintfsu813
      April 22nd, 2009 | 10:42 am

      I’ve loved everything Arod has done for us. Every sport has jackasses that are great players. NFL has Ocho Cinco and TO. NBA had Rodman, etc. You gotta respect the play on the field, and Arod continually produces.

    10. butchie22
      April 22nd, 2009 | 10:42 am

      People have a tendency to mythologize Brosius because he was so clutch in the post season and was part of the 90s Yankee Dynasty. The Yankee fromtrunners don’t see Arod as a winning player because of his lack of production in the ALCS past game 4. Yes, the critics are being harsh because they are looking for a scapegoat. It is not entirely Arod’s fault that the Yanks let the Red Sox have that epic comeback in 2004 you can thank Mariano for not closing out that 4th game, Mo opened up the floodgates. Torre also had something to do with it as well ,to be fair, in his game management the rest of the way. In essence, that perception of Arod as a loser is way off. Arod is an exemplar is terms of his work ethic, no one save Doc Halladay works harder than Arod. Despite reports to the contrary, he has a ton of talent and spends a ton of time honing it.He might be a headcase and not clutch everytime he comes up to bat BUT he is part of the solution and not part of the problem. BTW, Arod has gone about his business off the field in an incredibly stupid way and he has too many off the field issues(he sees three bloody psychologists), no doubt about that. He is one of the worst PR nightmares the Yankees have ever had. All that is irrelevant, if he produces on the field AND ultimately the Yankees need his production and his on the field presence to get to the post season. No offense to the Ransom fans, but it will be a great day when Arod comes back to replace him!

    11. YankCrank
      April 22nd, 2009 | 10:51 am

      No offense to the Ransom fans, but it will be a great day when Arod comes back to replace him!
      —-

      Is there a group of people who prefer Ransom to A-Rod? If there are i’d like to shake their hands then push them off a cliff.

    12. YankCrank
      April 22nd, 2009 | 10:54 am

      I’ve given up hope that Yankee fans might actually appreciate A-Rod. The few of us that like and root for A-Rod just have to grin and bear it with the rest of the folks that think he sucks.
      —–

      Agreed, MJ. I’ll never argue with a Yankee fan who makes the point that Alex makes stupid decisions. But i’ll argue with them until I can’t talk anymore when they try to use that as an example of why “A-Rod sucks!” He’s an amazing ballplayer, possibly the best in a Yankee uniform we’ll see in our lifetime (other than Mo), and those who can’t appreciate him for who he is by now, never will.

    13. clintfsu813
      April 22nd, 2009 | 10:59 am

      Push them off a cliff…classic!

    14. butchie22
      April 22nd, 2009 | 12:35 pm

      YankCrank wrote:

      I’ve given up hope that Yankee fans might actually appreciate A-Rod. The few of us that like and root for A-Rod just have to grin and bear it with the rest of the folks that think he sucks.
      —–
      Agreed, MJ. I’ll never argue with a Yankee fan who makes the point that Alex makes stupid decisions. But i’ll argue with them until I can’t talk anymore when they try to use that as an example of why “A-Rod sucks!” He’s an amazing ballplayer, possibly the best in a Yankee uniform we’ll see in our lifetime (other than Mo), and those who can’t appreciate him for who he is by now, never will.

      Look, I understand why people are attached to the legacy Yankees (Mo, St Derek,Pettitte, Georgy Posada) who still play for the squad BUT there are people that slag on Aroid/Afrod because of his ringless nature and being a true Yankee. Donny Ballgame doesn’t have a ring, he’s still a true Yankee. Even though Mussina and Giambi started with different clubs, they became true Yankees. And add Arod to that list. No matter how odious he is off the field and how he disgraced his legacy with steroids, he’s here to stay for quite some time. And without him contributing to the club with his excellent offense and defense, they are a lesser team. Once again to the Ransom faithful, ask Arod to lend out one of his psychologists to you! You must be watching games from the Twilight Zone………

    15. Corey
      April 22nd, 2009 | 12:43 pm

      you consider giambi a “true yankee”? I don’t even consider moose a “true yankee”, but i’ll give you him…not jason tho

    16. YankCrank
      April 22nd, 2009 | 12:54 pm

      you consider giambi a “true yankee”? I don’t even consider moose a “true yankee”, but i’ll give you him…not jason tho
      —–

      Giambi may on the fence for some, but I encourage all of you to check out Ken Davidoff’s blog for his write-up on Giambi’s career in pinstripes. I know we all came to love him, but with that love came some blinders to what he really accomplished with the Yanks. Check it out: http://tinyurl.com/cpg8dp

      For the record, in my opinion, I liked Jason but I couldn’t wait for him to be gone. That defense and injury bug just got old fast. I’m also not a fan of the “True Yankee” term. It goes hand in hand with the stupid expectation that every year should be a World Series win and that’s just dumb.

    17. Evan3457
      April 22nd, 2009 | 1:28 pm

      And Scott Brosuis. Because “H3 h4z R1NGZ!1!1!!” and Rodriguez doesn’t. A ridiculous argument if I’ve ever heard one. Paul O’Neill has more rings than Hank Aaron & Bernie Williams has more rings than Willie Mays, you have to have to be smoking some industrial grade stuff to think that O’Neill and Williams are better than Aaron and Mays.

      And Chad Curtis has more rings than Ted Williams, and Mickey Rivers has more rings than Ty Cobb, and Ed Figueroa has as many rings as Robin Roberts and Ferguson Jenkins and Pedro Marinez and Tom Seaver put together, even though he never, ever, ever pitched a good, or arguably even a decent game in the post-season.

      (Which is not to say Ed Figueroa was not valuable to those 1977-8 Yankees. He was valuable, very valuable, despite almost never pitching a big game in the clutch against a good team.)

      And on and on and on…Shane Spencer has more rings than Billy Williams, and Brian Doyle has more rings than Ernie Banks, and Ricky Ledee has more rings than Barry Bonds, and Mariano Duncan has more rings than Craig Biggio…and many, many other ridiculous comparsions too numerous to mention.

    18. Corey
      April 22nd, 2009 | 1:40 pm

      It goes hand in hand with the stupid expectation that every year should be a World Series win and that’s just dumb.

      —-
      i dont think its synonymous…the way i see it, when i think bernie williams, then ext thought i think of is yankees, same goes for jeter, mo posada, babe ruth, gehrig , mantle etc

      when i think giambi, the first thought i think of is oakland, and specifically gettin throw out but the jeter shovel pass. when i think moose, i think orioles, and how he used to pitch fairly well against us…nothing to do with championships really…and the same can be said for players of other teams, when i think biggio i think astros, when i think bonds i think giants etc

    19. Corey
      April 22nd, 2009 | 1:57 pm

      look @ the melk man bein useful…he might amount to trade bait one day lol

    20. bfriley76
      April 22nd, 2009 | 2:32 pm

      Jeter just hit his 4th HR of the season to put the Yanks up 5-4.

      Maybe it was more the wrist last year than decline (though I’m sure there was some). Jeter didn’t hit his 4th HR last year until June 13.

    21. butchie22
      April 22nd, 2009 | 2:32 pm

      Corey wrote:

      you consider giambi a “true yankee”? I don’t even consider moose a “true yankee”, but i’ll give you him…not jason tho

      Once they come to the team and contribute and put on the uniform then they are a true Yankee.I’m an older fart than most of you and have seen guys come and have seen guys go BUT these two are OK. If I put in Arod ,who is also ringless and has never even been in a World Series I have to put in those two. Without Giambi and his 2 home runs in the ALCS Game 7 of 2003, the Red Sox reverse that curse that year. Both Mussina and Giambi spent over 7 years with the team, it wasn’t like a pitstop for them. It was very curious at how Giambi was received when his roids status came out. The fans like him so he was inured from massive criticism. Arod on the other hand says the word kisses a mirror and the world is over. BTW, Reggie Jackson is not a true Yankee by the criteria some people use then. He is really an Oakland A. But to me, having grown up when he was playing with Oakland(and witnessing that amazing dynasty they had) and then the Yanks (where is cockiness and bravura were backed up by results), he is both. My broader point is that despite protestations from the post 1996 front runner crowd, Arod is a true Yankee, through and through. He plays hard, works hard and wears the uniform it’s good enough for me.

    22. bfriley76
      April 22nd, 2009 | 2:39 pm

      when i think giambi, the first thought i think of is oakland, and specifically gettin throw out but the jeter shovel pass.
      =====
      That was Jeremy Giambi, not Jason.

    23. butchie22
      April 22nd, 2009 | 2:43 pm

      YankCrank wrote:

      you consider giambi a “true yankee”? I don’t even consider moose a “true yankee”, but i’ll give you him…not jason tho
      —–
      Giambi may on the fence for some, but I encourage all of you to check out Ken Davidoff’s blog for his write-up on Giambi’s career in pinstripes. I know we all came to love him, but with that love came some blinders to what he really accomplished with the Yanks. Check it out: http://tinyurl.com/cpg8dp
      For the record, in my opinion, I liked Jason but I couldn’t wait for him to be gone. That defense and injury bug just got old fast. I’m also not a fan of the “True Yankee” term. It goes hand in hand with the stupid expectation that every year should be a World Series win and that’s just dumb.

      Crank, I didn’t mind Jason’s bat(he was still somehwhat productive),he is a great clubhouse guy, but his presence in the field was a detriment to the team. He was however well liked and that is something Arod simply is not.As for the True Yankee thing, my definition is different from most people’s myopic view. Once you put on that uniform an play for the team you are a true Yankee. I’m not using the post 96 frontrunner example of that.As much as I despise Burnit, he’s on this squad and I want him to be successful and pitch his heart out. As it stands, AJ is no longer a Jay or Marlin anymore he plays for the Yankees. Then again, can we unmake Marte as a Yankee??!!!Please? In addition, the rings are part of the Yankee tradition. It is no individual player’s fault that they don’t have a ring or have even played in a World Series(primary example Arod). However, it is a badge of honor that many players earned collectively. It has certainly been used against Arod, who could be called a Mariner by the criteria of some. BUT counter to most irrantional frontrunners, he’s on the team and he is a true Yankee AND hopefully one day he will win rings.

    24. Corey
      April 22nd, 2009 | 2:49 pm

      That was Jeremy Giambi, not Jason.

      i’m mistaken, your right good catch, i still think oakland tho

    25. YankCrank
      April 22nd, 2009 | 3:00 pm

      when i think giambi, the first thought i think of is oakland,
      —–

      This is exactly where I hate the argument. You can look at Jason and “think” of the A’s, and that’s ok i guess. But do you look at A-Rod and think of the Rangers, or the Mariners? I really doubt it, which in many ways leaves that “looking at and identifying” part of the argument useless. We identify A-Rod as a Yankee, but not a “true” Yankee cuz he’s not a winner.

      I hate it because it totally crosses borders and makes no sense. Roger Clemens is seen as a true Yankee cuz he spent 5 1/2 season in NY while winning two rings, but the decade+ before that he spent his time in Boston and Toronto headhunting Yankee players. Everybody hated him before he was traded to NY. Ok he won a couple rings which makes him a true Yankee, so how is Donnie a true Yankee? Because he was drafted there and spent his entire career there, meaning he doesn’t need the rings to be a true Yankee? Well what about Bobby Murcer who spent a great chunk of his career there and never won a ring?

      It’s just all a bunch of cliched media bullshit. We can look at players and label them Yankees or not, but all this crap about “A-Rod will never be accepted a s a true Yankee until he wins a ring” is just garbage. That’s my opinion, at least.

    26. Corey
      April 22nd, 2009 | 3:07 pm

      its possible i attribute players to the teams i remember them being on when i was younger? i truthfully don’t associate this to world series titles, just what i remember them for. Didn’t mean to stir your pot yankscrank :P

    27. Corey
      April 22nd, 2009 | 3:07 pm

      for instance, i consider clemens a red sock, and a-rod a mariner

    28. YankCrank
      April 22nd, 2009 | 3:17 pm

      Corey: If I sounded like I lashed out at you, I didn’t mean too and i’m sorry. It’s totally reasonable to look at players like that, I was only referring to the people who call up WFAN and complain about players like A-Rod because they aren’t “true” Yankees.

      My bad, I won’t be such an ass next time.

    29. Corey
      April 22nd, 2009 | 3:46 pm

      lol na no need to appologize buddy, i could sense your frustration didnt want to enhance it thats where i was comin from

    30. Corey
      April 22nd, 2009 | 3:48 pm

      meanwhile, anyone watchin the game? why is CC so bad today? can;t locate?

    31. Corey
      April 22nd, 2009 | 3:57 pm

      also, gotta give credit for gettin albaledjo for t-clip to cash…altho it’s no secret i think albaldejo is the shniz nit

    32. April 22nd, 2009 | 4:03 pm

      Wow. I had a meeting today from 8:30 AM until 4 PM. Just got back to my desk (and the real world) and saw the game today is 7-7 in the 8th. “CC” what you miss when you have to take care of business!

    33. Raf
      April 22nd, 2009 | 4:27 pm

      “CC” what you miss when you have to take care of business!
      ——————-
      *groan*

      :P

    34. April 22nd, 2009 | 4:58 pm

      Top 11 now. Lotta LOBs in this game, huh?

    35. April 22nd, 2009 | 5:17 pm

      Veras. 12th inning. It’s just a matter of time now…

    36. Evan3457
      April 22nd, 2009 | 8:01 pm

      Yep. A matter of time before Melky has a 2 HR game, with a walkoff for the winner.

      Like his whole career.

      Woe to Ye of little faith!

      P.S. Don’t look now, but the Yankees are a .600 ballclub. How long will it last? Well, until Friday, anyway.

    37. JeremyM
      April 22nd, 2009 | 9:54 pm

      To me, a true Yankee is someone who plays a game in a Yankee uniform. Period. I mean, Mussina wasn’t a true Yankee? Come on! What does that even mean?

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