• WasWatching.com Water Cooler Talk 4/24/09

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    1. ken
      April 24th, 2009 | 8:46 am

      I was at the event in CT two nights ago where Brian Cashman spoke. He was very interesting and honest. Spoke in detail of a number of player moves, specifically the way the Texeira deal went down.

      Most interesting insight: Teams in the Phila-Boston corridor need to assess for a ‘sixth tool’: ability to handle pressure from fans and media. But it is not always possible to know for sure before a deal is made.

    2. April 24th, 2009 | 9:06 am

      Watching LaTroy Hawkins excel for the Astros, can we say that Cash screwed the pooch on evaluating his 6th tool?

    3. YankCrank
      April 24th, 2009 | 9:17 am

      Watching LaTroy Hawkins excel for the Astros, can we say that Cash screwed the pooch on evaluating his 6th tool?
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      I never saw anything that showed Hawkins couldn’t handle a big market like New York. He did, in fact, spend some good time with the Cubs. It was more along the lines of him not having the stuff anymore to pitch in the American League, or more specific, the AL East. The fact that he excels in Colorado and Houston has more to do with his stuff being more forgiving in the NL.

    4. April 24th, 2009 | 9:21 am

      They don’t have big league hitters in the NL West and Central? ;-)

      Plus, don’t forget, Hawkins is not a SP – so, that defense of “gets to face a pitcher batting 3 times a game” doesn’t apply to him.

    5. YankCrank
      April 24th, 2009 | 9:21 am

      No mention of Swish ringing the opening bell yesterday and the Dow finishing at 70.49? Gotta love the guy!

    6. YankCrank
      April 24th, 2009 | 9:24 am

      Plus, don’t forget, Hawkins is not a SP – so, that defense of “gets to face a pitcher batting 3 times a game” doesn’t apply to him.
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      Totally agree, but I think we can also agree the quality of hitting and depth of lineups in the NL is weaker than the AL, whether you’re a starter or not. There has to be a reason guys like Joel Pineiro, Latroy Hawkins, Livan Hernandez etc. have been released and outcast by AL teams because of inefficiency but find a way to be relative and successful NL pitchers. I mean, come on…have you seen what Jeff Karstens has been doing in Pittsburgh? You think he’d be shutting out and sitting down the Orioles and Rays?

    7. Corey
      April 24th, 2009 | 9:25 am

      so does anyone else think something is seriously wrong with Wang? I was thinkin about it and readin the reports on his extended ST game, and everyones says his velocity is down and the ball isn’t sinking as a result…but isn’t that contradictory? If he’s throwing the ball slower, wouldn’t it sink more? Isn’t that “why” he did bad in the playoffs, cause he was too amped up and throwing it too hard so it wasn’t sinking enough, and they wanted him to tire out so he wasn’t throwing with such a great velocity?

    8. YankCrank
      April 24th, 2009 | 9:29 am

      so does anyone else think something is seriously wrong with Wang?
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      Seriously wrong? No. He’s healthy and by all reports it seems like his long layoff has screwed up his arm strength and his mechanics. I think some time on the dl in Tampa gaining his strength and focussing on his mechanics will fix him up. And if it doesn’t, well, we have the depth in the minors to fill in and we can be thankful he didn’t get signed long term. He essentially costs us nothing at this point, worst-case scenario of course.

    9. April 24th, 2009 | 9:36 am

      YankCrank wrote:

      No mention of Swish ringing the opening bell yesterday and the Dow finishing at 70.49? Gotta love the guy!

      I thought that was a bit much. How many games has he played for the Yankees so far? Did Kevin Maas get to ring the bell after 15 games?

    10. Corey
      April 24th, 2009 | 9:38 am

      wouldn’t gaining strength give him less sink? isn’t that how it works? That’s how they always talked about it on the telecasts

    11. YankCrank
      April 24th, 2009 | 9:48 am

      I thought that was a bit much. How many games has he played for the Yankees so far? Did Kevin Maas get to ring the bell after 15 games?
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      I was joking Steve, no need to lay a curse on him by speaking that name you just spoke.

    12. YankCrank
      April 24th, 2009 | 9:50 am

      wouldn’t gaining strength give him less sink? isn’t that how it works? That’s how they always talked about it on the telecasts
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      Wang was always capable of throwing a 95-95 mph sinker, but the problem occurs when he’s so amped up that he lets his mechanics fly out. For the ball to sink like it does he needs to come over the top, but at times we see him flying out a bit and that’s when the ball moves across the plate instead of down to the plate. That’s where Derek Lowe runs into problems too

    13. Raf
      April 24th, 2009 | 10:56 am

      Watching LaTroy Hawkins excel for the Astros, can we say that Cash screwed the pooch on evaluating his 6th tool?
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      A quick look at the numbers shows that Hawkins cut his walks, and is pitching to a better defense in Houston.

    14. butchie22
      April 24th, 2009 | 6:00 pm

      ken wrote:

      I was at the event in CT two nights ago where Brian Cashman spoke. He was very interesting and honest. Spoke in detail of a number of player moves, specifically the way the Texeira deal went down.
      Most interesting insight: Teams in the Phila-Boston corridor need to assess for a ’sixth tool’: ability to handle pressure from fans and media. But it is not always possible to know for sure before a deal is made.

      Cash Man got that one right. I keep mentioning that fact over and over again that they are certain types of players that can play in the Northeast with hostile fans if you screw up and a venomous press to confront you on every issue. This area is not some homerville like Chicago where Hawk Harrelson(who calls the White Sox games) of the Pale Hose exclaims: “We Won, The Good Guys Win!” In essence, there are a select few that can play in this srea of the country and Cash Man has the bad foresight to pick people like Weaver, Pavano,Vazquez, LaTroy, Farnsworth who were among many who couldn’t handle the heat in the kitchen and wilted from it.

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