• May 7th vs. The Rays

    Posted by on May 7th, 2009 · Comments (21)

    Did you know that, from April 20, 2007 through May 29, 2007, the Yankees went 13-23…and had a five-game and seven-game losing streak during that time? Of course, that was when New York was sending Jeff Karstens, Chase Wright, Kei Igawa, Tyler Clippard and Matt DeSalvo out there to start games for them.

    In the last 13 games of the present day Yankees, they’ve gone 4-9…and New York is currently in a five-game losing streak. But, this has come under the rotation of Joba Chamberlain, Phil Hughes, CC Sabathia, A.J. Burnett and Andy Pettitte. Geez, this means the next 23 games has got to be better this year, right? There’s no way the Yankees can go 9-14 in their next 23 games and match that terrible early season run (of 13-23) that they had in 2007, is there?

    At this moment, I’m not so sure that they won’t avoid it matching that run from two years ago – or doing worse.

    Then again, it could just be the aftertaste of this game that makes me feel that way…

    Oh, and, Mo? Yikes. Four homers allowed in his last five games? Is it just a slump…or worse?

    Man, there’s that “or worse?” question again…

    In the end, I guess, the two big questions in Yankeeland today are, after this game…just how far down is “rock-bottom” and “are we there yet?”

    Comments on May 7th vs. The Rays

    1. Tresh Fan
      May 8th, 2009 | 1:44 am

      The talking heads at Baseball Tonight were wondering whether there is something physically wrong with Rivera or just the fact that he’s 6 months shy of his 40th birthday. Either way they said his pitches don’t have the “bite” (i.e. sharp, late movement) that they had in the past.

    2. May 8th, 2009 | 7:40 am

      FWIW, in the YES post-game, Kenny, Conie and Kay talked about how Mo, this season, has been at 89-91 MPH instead of 93 MPH. And, that’s the difference between batters making solid contact and fouling the balls off.

      And, according to Pete Abe, Girardi said that Mo has been battling “arm strength” issues.

      So, something is up.

    3. OnceIWasAYankeeFan
      May 8th, 2009 | 7:57 am

      Shoulder is “tired” and he’s lacking velocity, which was pretty obvious. I didn’t see 95 on the gun. If you are a “glass half full” kind of guy, the good news is that Mo isn’t healthy and getting knocked around. The question is whether he can get through this and regain strength without a DL stint. Regardless, when he’s right, I’d expect him to continue to dominate. But he has to be right.

    4. butchie22
      May 8th, 2009 | 8:51 am

      Steve Lombardi wrote:

      FWIW, in the YES post-game, Kenny, Conie and Kay talked about how Mo, this season, has been at 89-91 MPH instead of 93 MPH. And, that’s the difference between batters making solid contact and fouling the balls off.
      And, according to Pete Abe, Girardi said that Mo has been battling “arm strength” issues.
      So, something is up.

      Is it a function of Mo being prideful and not admitting an injury? At this point, expect the worse. I saw an analysis of the home runs that Mo gave up last night and the pitches were not right(velocity,location,movement were not up to snuff).Honestly, Mo is coming into the twilight of his career so his dimishment is to be expected. The most worrisome detail is that Ca$h Man and the front office don’t have an heir apparent ready to take up the mantle. This should have been in place a few years back BUT the Yankees were not that concerned with building from within or even addressing such an issue. They want Joba to remain in the starting rotation and the option seems close….for the time being. I wonder why YES gave the viewers a con job with that performance the other day where he gave up 4 in the first. They acted as if he pitched a perfect game! Absolute rubbish. Now with Bruney down and possibly Mo going to the DL, do they move Joba back?

    5. MJ
      May 8th, 2009 | 8:59 am

      I said this 10 days ago about Rivera. He’s looked terrible since that Friday night game in Boston, with diminished velocity and less movement on his pitches. They better shelve him ASAP before he does more damage to himself.

      At this point, a 75 win disaster of a season wouldn’t even upset me. It’s absolutely impossible to win games when nearly your entire 25-man roster is going on the DL.

    6. Corey
      May 8th, 2009 | 9:19 am

      i dunno how much i buy it…2 nights ago he was down right filthy in the 9th before it went to extras…i also think that first homer pettitte gave up looked like a flyball and it just went out…a yankee stadium III homer, if you will (i didn’t catch mo pitching as i fell asleep, ill check it out when i get home from work)

    7. Raf
      May 8th, 2009 | 9:52 am

      The most worrisome detail is that Ca$h Man and the front office don’t have an heir apparent ready to take up the mantle.

      “Mark Melancon pitched at High-A, Double-A, and Triple-A for the Yankees in 2008 – after having Tommy John surgery in November 2006. Scouts rave about his stuff and make-up – citing him as a future closer. He very well could work his way into the Yankees bullpen mix in 2009 – with his role increasing contingent upon his success.” – WW entry back in Nov.

      There’s also Chamberlain (I know, he’s better as a starter, I’m just sayin), and whatever closer can be picked up off the market (Wood & Hoffman were recently signed, Lidge was available for cheap a couple of years ago, Percival was picked up off the scrap heap)

    8. butchie22
      May 8th, 2009 | 10:28 am

      Raf wrote:

      The most worrisome detail is that Ca$h Man and the front office don’t have an heir apparent ready to take up the mantle.

      “Mark Melancon pitched at High-A, Double-A, and Triple-A for the Yankees in 2008 – after having Tommy John surgery in November 2006. Scouts rave about his stuff and make-up – citing him as a future closer. He very well could work his way into the Yankees bullpen mix in 2009 – with his role increasing contingent upon his success.” – WW entry back in Nov.
      There’s also Chamberlain (I know, he’s better as a starter, I’m just sayin), and whatever closer can be picked up off the market (Wood & Hoffman were recently signed, Lidge was available for cheap a couple of years ago, Percival was picked up off the scrap heap)

      The heir apparent should have been chosen a few years back, so pulling out Melancon at this point is too much too late. Malancon is not a given right now, he’s merely a prsopect, so they haven’t really groomed someone to takeover in case. The pro Joba as a reliever crowd(which I am not a part of unless Mo goes down)have some merits in their case for Joba to take the mantle from Rivera. The most problematic thing is that Job could be the next big starter, so the Yankees are in a conundrum. The problem with just picking up a closer is that he won’t be a Mo. Yes, you can pick up a closer BUT he won’t be as dominant as let’s say a Papelbon or a Nathan. However, Lidge did an excellent job in a tough town last year, Hoffman is overrated,Percival is too much of a risk but it paid off. It seems that Joba had the potential to be that type of closer but the starting rotation beckoned. Even though , he will become a dominant starter, I think the team will address their current needs if Mo goes down. No Bruney, No Mo? Joba goes back to the relief corps……….

    9. gs
      May 8th, 2009 | 10:54 am

      “At this point, a 75 win disaster of a season wouldn’t even upset me. It’s absolutely impossible to win games when nearly your entire 25-man roster is going on the DL.”

      Under hyperbole in the dictionary this statement should appear.

    10. Sicilian Lou
      May 8th, 2009 | 2:05 pm

      Hey Steve, Great post… Now after nearly 8 years at the helm and building this team, will Yankee fans finally wake up and scream out that Cashman is a HACK of a GM?… This guy tore down the dynasty that Stick and Watson put together and made a mess of things.. Why isn’t he fired yet?.. Cashman should light a candle every night and give thanks that George is ill.. He wouldn’t tolerate a Cody Ranson or Pena at third base.. So sick of that guy… Hey cashman can you just drive your car off the George Washington bridge already!!!…

      Steve.. You did a report on cashman.. you got up to 2004.. Are you done with the other years?

    11. MJ
      May 8th, 2009 | 2:12 pm

      Cashman should light a candle every night and give thanks that George is ill.. He wouldn’t tolerate a Cody Ranson or Pena at third base
      ———
      Out of curiosity, who would’ve been a more suitable replacement at 3B while A-Rod was on injury rehab? Should the Yanks have signed Aramis Ramirez a few years ago and had him on the bench as a backup? Or should the Yanks have signed Mike Lowell in 2007 and made him A-Rod’s backup?

      Criticizing Cashman is fine but pointing out that the 3B situation is “intolerable” without rationally considering that All-Star backups don’t exactly grow on trees doesn’t make much sense.

    12. Sicilian Lou
      May 8th, 2009 | 2:12 pm

      @ gs: Yes, you can pick up a closer :

      I agree what your saying.. As usual team Cashman fell asleep at the Wheel like Bernie Williams and soon Derek Jeter replacement.. But to say you can pick up a closer to fill those shoes on the biggest stage in the world.. GOOD LUCK WITH THIS… Joba is the guy.. When people stop and think about this, who really has been the MVP for the Yankees over the last 13 years?>. Hmmm does Mo come to mind?>.. Thats what we could have with Joba!!… Again.. Good luck trying to fill Mo’s shoes but dammm the next great closer to me is in our backyard.. Better get him groomed sooner than later….

    13. Sicilian Lou
      May 8th, 2009 | 2:26 pm

      @ MJ:
      Criticizing Cashman is fine but pointing out that the 3B situation :

      Excuse me.. But show me where I mentioned any top player to replace A-Rod?.. Hello… My point is you can go out and get a utility player!!!… Please don;t put words in my mouth.. Not some spoiled post 96 fan here.. I know what I am talking about.. And as far as you protecting Cashman here.. Tell me my friend.. You happy on what he has built?.. no replacement for Mo ,. jeter and still no one for Bernie Williams… So, lets just say this.. If it were up to me I would have gotten a better suitor than Cody or Pena.. But then again, maybe thats what Cashman should have been thinking about .. after all he is getting 3 million a year.. But why am I so surprised that our HACK GM could even think of such a move?…

    14. May 8th, 2009 | 2:43 pm

      Sicilian Lou wrote:

      You did a report on cashman.. you got up to 2004.. Are you done with the other years?

      LOL. I gave up on that – too many people getting on my case about it – so, I let it drop.

    15. MJ
      May 8th, 2009 | 2:46 pm

      no replacement for Mo ,. jeter and still no one for Bernie Williams…
      —–
      Melancon has been touted as the in-house replacement for Rivera. Before that, it was JB Cox. Teams don’t plan that far in advance for the heir apparent to a thus-far ageless closer. It doesn’t work that way.

      As far as replacement for Bernie, his name is Austin Jackson and he’s currently in AAA. As to what he’ll amount to in the big leagues, I have no idea. But between Bernie and Jackson, we’ve had Johnny Damon and the Cabrera/Gardner platoon. It hasn’t been as bad as you make it seem. After all, replacing a borderline Hall of Famer isn’t as easy as you’re making it out to be.

      Finally, no, you didn’t mention any players by name. What you said was that “you can go out and get a utility player!!” What do you think Cody Ransom and Ramiro Pena are? They’re utility players.

    16. Sicilian Lou
      May 8th, 2009 | 2:53 pm

      @ Steve Lombardi:
      Why??… Ohh Steve… Forget these Rosey Glass picture Yankee fans… They are spoiled and they have no idea on how bad this guy is!!.. Can you please pick it up.. I be more than heppy to help you… and before anyone comes back to me.. YOU BETTER LOOK AT OUR TEAM TODAY!!.. CASHMAN FAULT!!…

    17. Sicilian Lou
      May 8th, 2009 | 3:02 pm

      @ MJ:
      HELLO…. Your kidding me with this post right??.. Are you for real?.. Austin Jackson?.. Melancon?…Another Prospect suspect.. Bernie is out of baseball for three years.. Mo in two years..The time to replace a ballplayer is before he is gone not after three year!!!.. Melancon could be taht guy, but I think its Joba. And where is Jeter’s replacement?.. Nice of you to not mention this… And by the way.. since when doesn’t a team plan in advance.. Or that’s right when YOUR CASHMAN and you have the Yankees money.. Dude.. Do you have any idea how to keep a machine rolling??.. Obviously not!!… Let me give you the Sicilian Lou’s way…

      You draft to replace your players today!!.. If it doesn’t pan out you use the FA market.. But since I can see your from the CASHMAN school of graduates.. Well is it wonder you told me that Austin Jackson is Bernie’s replacement??.. WoW. Where the heck are the real Yankee fans here?…

    18. Raf
      May 8th, 2009 | 3:10 pm

      it’s like another version of butchie…

    19. Sicilian Lou
      May 8th, 2009 | 3:20 pm

      Finally, no, you didn’t mention any players by name. What you said was that “you can go out and get a utility player!! What do you think Cody Ransom and Ramiro Pena are? They’re utility players.

      First, I said George wouldn’t tolerate a Cody or Pena.. Please show me again where i said I can go out and get someone?.. Are you reading my posts here?..Not sure who was available after spring training but I am sure some other player who just has a bit more defensive skills and pop in his bat would have been an upgrade.. Wouldn’t you at least agree to this?.. Or better yet.. how about Nady at third?.. Played his college career there.. tell me you think that’s an upgrade to Cody and Pena?.. But I am sure you’ll find something to disagree with Nady at third?… When I get 3 million a year and make the decisions I would gladly tell you how I would have handled it..

      Stop protecting Cashman.. What took Stick and Watson 10 years to build he tore down in 8 years and the next GM will have his work cut out for him..Heaven know how long it will take to fix this mess!!!.

    20. YankCrank
      May 8th, 2009 | 3:31 pm

      it’s like another version of butchie…
      —–

      exactly. i didn’t think the lohud readers were making their way to waswatching

    21. Sicilian Lou
      May 8th, 2009 | 4:01 pm

      @ YankCrank:
      Who is this butchie and whee are these LoHud’s you speak of?.. LOL..

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