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		<title>By: Steve Lombardi</title>
		<link>http://waswatching.com/2009/05/12/waswatchingcom-water-cooler-talk-51209/comment-page-2/#comment-190909</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Lombardi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 23:58:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Pat F&lt;/b&gt; wrote:
&lt;blockquote&gt;steve - not sure where else to put this, but the new site looks great. i was going to get around to commenting on the most recent template (that was around for a month or so), and how difficult it was to read on my phone because of how much scrolling had to be done to get to posts/comments, which i like to do along with a few other sites while commuting about 20 minutes each way every day. this one, like the old old one, is very easy to read on the phone again. i’m not sure if you even care about something like this, but wanted to compliment you on it either way.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Thanks. I’m trying to keep in very simple. At the most, I might go for a larger WW banner at the top…something like what I have now…just in a 750×150 size format. I’m still mulling that over. What I really like about the new format is that you can click the down arrows on the widget boxes on the side, and then they stay closed, even after refreshing. It’s helpful when you want to hide graphics…in case someone at work may be looking at over your shoulder…or if you want to have the widget for the recent comments be the only one pen, etc.

Never thought about the phone angle...but, it&#039;s nice to know.  Thanks again,</description>
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<blockquote><p>steve &#8211; not sure where else to put this, but the new site looks great. i was going to get around to commenting on the most recent template (that was around for a month or so), and how difficult it was to read on my phone because of how much scrolling had to be done to get to posts/comments, which i like to do along with a few other sites while commuting about 20 minutes each way every day. this one, like the old old one, is very easy to read on the phone again. i’m not sure if you even care about something like this, but wanted to compliment you on it either way.</p></blockquote>
<p>Thanks. I’m trying to keep in very simple. At the most, I might go for a larger WW banner at the top…something like what I have now…just in a 750×150 size format. I’m still mulling that over. What I really like about the new format is that you can click the down arrows on the widget boxes on the side, and then they stay closed, even after refreshing. It’s helpful when you want to hide graphics…in case someone at work may be looking at over your shoulder…or if you want to have the widget for the recent comments be the only one pen, etc.</p>
<p>Never thought about the phone angle&#8230;but, it&#8217;s nice to know.  Thanks again,</p>
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		<title>By: Sicilian Lou</title>
		<link>http://waswatching.com/2009/05/12/waswatchingcom-water-cooler-talk-51209/comment-page-2/#comment-190763</link>
		<dc:creator>Sicilian Lou</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 21:59:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;butchie22&lt;/b&gt; wrote:
&lt;blockquote&gt;@ Lou I meant to say: Lou we agree, you have any relatives in Australia, we might be related!&lt;/blockquote&gt;
As a matter of Fact I do mate... Sydney... I haven&#039;t made my way there .. I am waiting for them to finish building that bridge that connects the mainlands.. LOL!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="comment-toolbar" style="text-align: right"><input type="button" value="Reply" onclick="CF_Reply('Sicilian Lou');" /><input type="button" value="Quote" onclick="CF_Quote('co_190763','Sicilian Lou');" /></div><span id="co_190763"><p><b>butchie22</b> wrote:</p>
<blockquote><p>@ Lou I meant to say: Lou we agree, you have any relatives in Australia, we might be related!</p></blockquote>
<p>As a matter of Fact I do mate&#8230; Sydney&#8230; I haven&#8217;t made my way there .. I am waiting for them to finish building that bridge that connects the mainlands.. LOL!!</p>
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		<title>By: Raf</title>
		<link>http://waswatching.com/2009/05/12/waswatchingcom-water-cooler-talk-51209/comment-page-2/#comment-190759</link>
		<dc:creator>Raf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 21:57:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;butchie22&lt;/b&gt; wrote:
Richmond is good and I don’t know about any correction, there is nothing to indicate that he will be much worse.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Given the discrepancy between his ERA &amp; FIP (1.18), I&#039;d say that he&#039;s due for a correction.

ZiPS has him projected @ 9-12, 5.47 (5.35 FIP)</description>
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Richmond is good and I don’t know about any correction, there is nothing to indicate that he will be much worse.</p>
<p>Given the discrepancy between his ERA &amp; FIP (1.18), I&#8217;d say that he&#8217;s due for a correction.</p>
<p>ZiPS has him projected @ 9-12, 5.47 (5.35 FIP)</p>
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		<title>By: Raf</title>
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		<dc:creator>Raf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 21:49:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Sicilian Lou&lt;/b&gt; wrote:
&lt;blockquote&gt;@ Raf:
Are you and MJ just posters here or are you writers of this blog along with Steve?…. Just would like to know who I talk to .. Thanks and it was a good spirited debate today!!….
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

MJ &amp; I are posters.  Steve has a one man show here :D

And I agree, good debate</description>
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<blockquote><p>@ Raf:<br />
Are you and MJ just posters here or are you writers of this blog along with Steve?…. Just would like to know who I talk to .. Thanks and it was a good spirited debate today!!….
</p></blockquote>
<p>MJ &amp; I are posters.  Steve has a one man show here <img src='http://waswatching.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>And I agree, good debate</p>
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		<title>By: Raf</title>
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		<dc:creator>Raf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 21:47:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Sicilian Lou&lt;/b&gt; wrote:
&lt;blockquote&gt;
Excuse me where did you get these stats?
Stats I have show Neagel   1997   20 5 2.97
                                        1998  16 11 3.55
Spin it anyway you want.. but your looking at guy before he came over to Atlantan who had a era of 4.05, 4.48, 5.31, 5.12, 3.50 from pitching all but 20 games in the NL….
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I got the numbers from Fangraps.  I used the Fielding Independent Pitching (FIP) stat, which reflects how a pitcher has done with the things he is able to control...

Not to go too in depth, but here&#039;s a great article about evaluating pitching
http://ussmariner.com/2006/08/29/evaluating-pitcher-talent/</description>
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Excuse me where did you get these stats?<br />
Stats I have show Neagel   1997   20 5 2.97<br />
                                        1998  16 11 3.55<br />
Spin it anyway you want.. but your looking at guy before he came over to Atlantan who had a era of 4.05, 4.48, 5.31, 5.12, 3.50 from pitching all but 20 games in the NL….
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<p>I got the numbers from Fangraps.  I used the Fielding Independent Pitching (FIP) stat, which reflects how a pitcher has done with the things he is able to control&#8230;</p>
<p>Not to go too in depth, but here&#8217;s a great article about evaluating pitching<br />
<a href="http://ussmariner.com/2006/08/29/evaluating-pitcher-talent/" rel="nofollow">http://ussmariner.com/2006/08/29/evaluating-pitcher-talent/</a></p>
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		<title>By: butchie22</title>
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		<dc:creator>butchie22</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 21:45:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Lou I meant to say: Lou we agree, you have any relatives in Australia, we might be related!</description>
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		<title>By: butchie22</title>
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		<dc:creator>butchie22</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 21:44:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Raf&lt;/b&gt; wrote:
&lt;blockquote&gt;@ butchie22:
Richmond’s a nice story, but he’s due for a heck of a correction. Tallett is doing well so far, start against the Royals notwithstanding, but he’s probably better in the pen. 
It’s still early, and the jury is still out on the both of them, but ZiPS isn’t looking upon them too kindly.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Tallet threw a no hitter into the 7th recently. He has done well so far and they have stretched pitchers before and will again. Richmond is good and I don&#039;t know about any correction, there is nothing to indicate that he will be much worse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="comment-toolbar" style="text-align: right"><input type="button" value="Reply" onclick="CF_Reply('butchie22');" /><input type="button" value="Quote" onclick="CF_Quote('co_190741','butchie22');" /></div><span id="co_190741"><p><b>Raf</b> wrote:</p>
<blockquote><p>@ butchie22:<br />
Richmond’s a nice story, but he’s due for a heck of a correction. Tallett is doing well so far, start against the Royals notwithstanding, but he’s probably better in the pen.<br />
It’s still early, and the jury is still out on the both of them, but ZiPS isn’t looking upon them too kindly.</p></blockquote>
<p>Tallet threw a no hitter into the 7th recently. He has done well so far and they have stretched pitchers before and will again. Richmond is good and I don&#8217;t know about any correction, there is nothing to indicate that he will be much worse.</p>
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		<title>By: Sicilian Lou</title>
		<link>http://waswatching.com/2009/05/12/waswatchingcom-water-cooler-talk-51209/comment-page-2/#comment-190735</link>
		<dc:creator>Sicilian Lou</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 21:42:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;@ Raf&lt;/b&gt;:
Are you and MJ just posters here or are you writers of this blog along with Steve?.... Just would like to know who I talk to .. Thanks and it was a good spirited debate today!!....</description>
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Are you and MJ just posters here or are you writers of this blog along with Steve?&#8230;. Just would like to know who I talk to .. Thanks and it was a good spirited debate today!!&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: butchie22</title>
		<link>http://waswatching.com/2009/05/12/waswatchingcom-water-cooler-talk-51209/comment-page-2/#comment-190733</link>
		<dc:creator>butchie22</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 21:40:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Sicilian Lou&lt;/b&gt; wrote:
&lt;blockquote&gt;@ MJ:
NOPE.. Not what I am saying… What I am saying is that under Eiland the NY Yankee pitching staff regressed… What I find funny is that Hughes is under his watch..
The Yankee staff that has vet pitchers are not doing well for one reason or another.. I think its Eiland’s poor preparation plan of these Vet pitchers that is the cause of it..
Hughes as we all know has had a miserable time trying to show he belongs in the ML.. Even all his success at the minor league level he still can’t transform this at the ML level..
if Eiland is having a a difficult time with the Vets how can we expect him to turn Hughes around?… Thats my point and frustration with the Yankee brass..
Also, on a different view, I don;t think Hughes is all that Great.. all hype… he might be a good pitcher… Not sure.. Will he be a Johan?.. No…. but maybe a decent number three or four starter… Thats my view on what he has shown at the ML level… The jury is still out but the verdict is about to be read soon.. And it doesn’t look good……&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Lo we agree, you have any relativesustralia...we might be related! Ditto on what you said about the veterans etc so on. I honestly can&#039;t say that Eiland is better or worse than Guidry at this point. I don&#039;t think Hughes is as great as advertised. The kid has potential BUT he doesn&#039;t seem to be ready yet. And he seems to be a 3/4th pitcher not an ace at this point. Good call,mate.</description>
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<blockquote><p>@ MJ:<br />
NOPE.. Not what I am saying… What I am saying is that under Eiland the NY Yankee pitching staff regressed… What I find funny is that Hughes is under his watch..<br />
The Yankee staff that has vet pitchers are not doing well for one reason or another.. I think its Eiland’s poor preparation plan of these Vet pitchers that is the cause of it..<br />
Hughes as we all know has had a miserable time trying to show he belongs in the ML.. Even all his success at the minor league level he still can’t transform this at the ML level..<br />
if Eiland is having a a difficult time with the Vets how can we expect him to turn Hughes around?… Thats my point and frustration with the Yankee brass..<br />
Also, on a different view, I don;t think Hughes is all that Great.. all hype… he might be a good pitcher… Not sure.. Will he be a Johan?.. No…. but maybe a decent number three or four starter… Thats my view on what he has shown at the ML level… The jury is still out but the verdict is about to be read soon.. And it doesn’t look good……</p></blockquote>
<p>Lo we agree, you have any relativesustralia&#8230;we might be related! Ditto on what you said about the veterans etc so on. I honestly can&#8217;t say that Eiland is better or worse than Guidry at this point. I don&#8217;t think Hughes is as great as advertised. The kid has potential BUT he doesn&#8217;t seem to be ready yet. And he seems to be a 3/4th pitcher not an ace at this point. Good call,mate.</p>
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		<title>By: butchie22</title>
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		<dc:creator>butchie22</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 21:34:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Corey&lt;/b&gt; wrote:
&lt;blockquote&gt;Corey, no offense BUT Mazzone has a gazillion times more games of experience than Cone has.
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lol i can’t possibly take offense from that, its fact
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I also though that Mazzone was ultimately let go because of his tightness with Palazzo in the end?
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wasnt mazzone the best man a palazzo’s wedding? I think he was fired cause the orioles pitching staff sucked&lt;/blockquote&gt;

You are overstating the case on Mazzone. He had 12 years of great success and two not so great years with Baltimore. @ years is a very small sample size vs 12 years of amazing success with so many reclamation projects. Coney though? why not Ed Whitsun, while we&#039;re at it? HAHAHHAHAH!</description>
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<blockquote><p>Corey, no offense BUT Mazzone has a gazillion times more games of experience than Cone has.<br />
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lol i can’t possibly take offense from that, its fact<br />
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I also though that Mazzone was ultimately let go because of his tightness with Palazzo in the end?<br />
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wasnt mazzone the best man a palazzo’s wedding? I think he was fired cause the orioles pitching staff sucked</p></blockquote>
<p>You are overstating the case on Mazzone. He had 12 years of great success and two not so great years with Baltimore. @ years is a very small sample size vs 12 years of amazing success with so many reclamation projects. Coney though? why not Ed Whitsun, while we&#8217;re at it? HAHAHHAHAH!</p>
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