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	<title>Comments on: Nady&#8217;s Not Coming Back</title>
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		<title>By: MJ</title>
		<link>http://waswatching.com/2009/06/27/nadys-not-coming-back/comment-page-1/#comment-212307</link>
		<dc:creator>MJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 18:19:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sure, but even 3/$36 million for Holliday or Bay is still much more of a commitment than 1/$8 on Nady.
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I&#039;m not a fan of tying up a lot of years or money for either of those guys but I&#039;d take a 3Y/$36M deal for either over one more year of Nady any day.  Nady&#039;s league average, always has been and always will be.  Having said that, there&#039;s very little chance that Bay signs for that little.  Given how poorly Holliday has played this year outside of Coors, Bay is now the premier position player available in free agency this winter and he probably pushed his price tag higher than Holliday by a good margin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="comment-toolbar" style="text-align: right"><input type="button" value="Reply" onclick="CF_Reply('MJ');" /><input type="button" value="Quote" onclick="CF_Quote('co_212307','MJ');" /></div><span id="co_212307"><p>Sure, but even 3/$36 million for Holliday or Bay is still much more of a commitment than 1/$8 on Nady.<br />
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I&#8217;m not a fan of tying up a lot of years or money for either of those guys but I&#8217;d take a 3Y/$36M deal for either over one more year of Nady any day.  Nady&#8217;s league average, always has been and always will be.  Having said that, there&#8217;s very little chance that Bay signs for that little.  Given how poorly Holliday has played this year outside of Coors, Bay is now the premier position player available in free agency this winter and he probably pushed his price tag higher than Holliday by a good margin.</p>
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		<title>By: TurnTwo</title>
		<link>http://waswatching.com/2009/06/27/nadys-not-coming-back/comment-page-1/#comment-212293</link>
		<dc:creator>TurnTwo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 16:05:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;@ Raf&lt;/b&gt;:

Sure, but even 3/$36 million for Holliday or Bay is still much more of a commitment than 1/$8 on Nady.</description>
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<p>Sure, but even 3/$36 million for Holliday or Bay is still much more of a commitment than 1/$8 on Nady.</p>
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		<title>By: Raf</title>
		<link>http://waswatching.com/2009/06/27/nadys-not-coming-back/comment-page-1/#comment-212290</link>
		<dc:creator>Raf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 15:39:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;TurnTwo&lt;/b&gt; wrote:
&lt;blockquote&gt;But at this point, i may rather try out rehabbed Nady on a non-committal one year deal than offer big money/multi year deals to any of those three players you name.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Given how contracts have gone during the last offseason, I wouldn&#039;t worry about big money/multiyear deals.</description>
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<blockquote><p>But at this point, i may rather try out rehabbed Nady on a non-committal one year deal than offer big money/multi year deals to any of those three players you name.</p></blockquote>
<p>Given how contracts have gone during the last offseason, I wouldn&#8217;t worry about big money/multiyear deals.</p>
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		<title>By: TurnTwo</title>
		<link>http://waswatching.com/2009/06/27/nadys-not-coming-back/comment-page-1/#comment-212289</link>
		<dc:creator>TurnTwo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 14:42:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;@ MJ&lt;/b&gt;:

But at this point, i may rather try out rehabbed Nady on a non-committal one year deal than offer big money/multi year deals to any of those three players you name.

And if you consider or anticipate what the Yankees OF currently looks like in 2010, the Yankees might have to be a little creative in what they do and how they put together their team with the assets they have under their control.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="comment-toolbar" style="text-align: right"><input type="button" value="Reply" onclick="CF_Reply('TurnTwo');" /><input type="button" value="Quote" onclick="CF_Quote('co_212289','TurnTwo');" /></div><span id="co_212289"><p><b>@ MJ</b>:</p>
<p>But at this point, i may rather try out rehabbed Nady on a non-committal one year deal than offer big money/multi year deals to any of those three players you name.</p>
<p>And if you consider or anticipate what the Yankees OF currently looks like in 2010, the Yankees might have to be a little creative in what they do and how they put together their team with the assets they have under their control.</p>
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		<title>By: MJ</title>
		<link>http://waswatching.com/2009/06/27/nadys-not-coming-back/comment-page-1/#comment-212288</link>
		<dc:creator>MJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 14:21:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;@ TurnTwo&lt;/b&gt;:
I agree that one can&#039;t predict what the market will look like this winter but I think we can begin to formulate ideas on the market.  Considering Vlad, Bay and Holliday are the three biggest names, Nady probably wouldn&#039;t out-earn those three guys.  Furthermore, now that he&#039;s hurt, I&#039;d imagine that depresses his value even more.  $7M would seem to be too much given what I think the market will look like.

The risk in offering arbitration is that the player will accept.  I don&#039;t think he&#039;s good enough to bother with.  Heck, we don&#039;t even know if he&#039;d be designated as a Type A or Type B (or nothing at all) to even make it worth offering him arbitration anyway.</description>
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I agree that one can&#8217;t predict what the market will look like this winter but I think we can begin to formulate ideas on the market.  Considering Vlad, Bay and Holliday are the three biggest names, Nady probably wouldn&#8217;t out-earn those three guys.  Furthermore, now that he&#8217;s hurt, I&#8217;d imagine that depresses his value even more.  $7M would seem to be too much given what I think the market will look like.</p>
<p>The risk in offering arbitration is that the player will accept.  I don&#8217;t think he&#8217;s good enough to bother with.  Heck, we don&#8217;t even know if he&#8217;d be designated as a Type A or Type B (or nothing at all) to even make it worth offering him arbitration anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: TurnTwo</title>
		<link>http://waswatching.com/2009/06/27/nadys-not-coming-back/comment-page-1/#comment-212286</link>
		<dc:creator>TurnTwo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 13:54:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;@ MJ&lt;/b&gt;:
the timetable for a positional player isnt the same as a pitcher trying to come back from TJ surgery. 

and i think it would be premature for anyone to try and predict what the market will bear for OFers come next offseason. 1 year at $7-8 million might not be a bad deal, especially if they think he can come back for 4 months and play well for the team the second half of the season.

or they can always offer arbitration, and then either trade him midseason, or let him rebuild his value and get picks for him after 2010.

nothing would be a guarantee at this point.</description>
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the timetable for a positional player isnt the same as a pitcher trying to come back from TJ surgery. </p>
<p>and i think it would be premature for anyone to try and predict what the market will bear for OFers come next offseason. 1 year at $7-8 million might not be a bad deal, especially if they think he can come back for 4 months and play well for the team the second half of the season.</p>
<p>or they can always offer arbitration, and then either trade him midseason, or let him rebuild his value and get picks for him after 2010.</p>
<p>nothing would be a guarantee at this point.</p>
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		<title>By: MJ</title>
		<link>http://waswatching.com/2009/06/27/nadys-not-coming-back/comment-page-1/#comment-212281</link>
		<dc:creator>MJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 13:26:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you may see Nady come back on an arbitration offer
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Why would the Yanks offer him arbitration and the salary award that goes with that if he&#039;s most likely going to miss most of next year too?  I find it highly unlikely that Nady would turn down the approximately $7-8M he&#039;d make by accepting such an offer and instead try to find a better contract in free agency as a rehabbing player.

The Yanks will let Nady go because there&#039;s no other choice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="comment-toolbar" style="text-align: right"><input type="button" value="Reply" onclick="CF_Reply('MJ');" /><input type="button" value="Quote" onclick="CF_Quote('co_212281','MJ');" /></div><span id="co_212281"><p>you may see Nady come back on an arbitration offer<br />
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Why would the Yanks offer him arbitration and the salary award that goes with that if he&#8217;s most likely going to miss most of next year too?  I find it highly unlikely that Nady would turn down the approximately $7-8M he&#8217;d make by accepting such an offer and instead try to find a better contract in free agency as a rehabbing player.</p>
<p>The Yanks will let Nady go because there&#8217;s no other choice.</p>
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		<title>By: Raf</title>
		<link>http://waswatching.com/2009/06/27/nadys-not-coming-back/comment-page-1/#comment-212261</link>
		<dc:creator>Raf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 11:58:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not only that, the Nady trade filled a need that the Yanks had.</description>
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		<title>By: Evan3457</title>
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		<dc:creator>Evan3457</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 11:48:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the other hand, the good news is:

More Nick Swisher!

:)</description>
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<p>More Nick Swisher!</p>
<p> <img src='http://waswatching.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Evan3457</title>
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		<dc:creator>Evan3457</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 11:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, it&#039;s not as if you can predict that both players will suffer serious injuries at the time the deal is made.

Neither one had a history of repeated injuries. Nady&#039;s original injury happened seven years ago, He&#039;s had some minor injuries since, but no trouble with the original elbow blowouot until this year. Marte had pitched in 65 games or more for the last seven years before this one.

Sometimes, you make a sensible deal, and it doesn&#039;t work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="comment-toolbar" style="text-align: right"><input type="button" value="Reply" onclick="CF_Reply('Evan3457');" /><input type="button" value="Quote" onclick="CF_Quote('co_212252','Evan3457');" /></div><span id="co_212252"><p>Well, it&#8217;s not as if you can predict that both players will suffer serious injuries at the time the deal is made.</p>
<p>Neither one had a history of repeated injuries. Nady&#8217;s original injury happened seven years ago, He&#8217;s had some minor injuries since, but no trouble with the original elbow blowouot until this year. Marte had pitched in 65 games or more for the last seven years before this one.</p>
<p>Sometimes, you make a sensible deal, and it doesn&#8217;t work.</p>
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