WasWatching.com Water Cooler Talk 7/6/09
Posted by Steve L. on July 6th, 2009 · Comments (20)
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the thing that bothered me the most about joba last night? Did anyone watch the post game? Cause Joba was talkin like he had just pitched 7 innings of shut down baseball. He said it was the best hes thrown all season and that you gotta give credit to the hitters cause the jays have an outstanding lineup. He pretty much said he did nothing wrong and would go into his next start with the same exact approach. I think he’s a little too confident for pitching to a 4 ERA (should be a lot worse), and maybe posada (or maybe pettitte) needs to have a meeting with him to let him know what the score is..
Corey wrote:
I didn’t see the postgame but that’s ridiculous. His pitching coach needs to grow a pair and tell him the truth: that he has all the talent in the world but that, right now, he’s a nothing special dogshit MLB starter.
MJ wrote:
ya you think ian kennedy was bad that time? This was like 100x worse.
Corey wrote:
More on that: http://www.nj.com/yankees/index.ssf/2009/07/new_york_yankees_manager_joe_g_3.html
I hope he sucks it up and gets a clue. He’s a kid – he’ll get a pass on acting like a bonehead this time. However, I would expect that given the article Steve posted, Girardi will personally clear up any confusion Joba might still have over that performance.
“At the end of the day the sun comes up.”
—Joba Chamberlain
Need we comment on this guy’s perspective?
we have a hinske sighting today
Tresh Fan wrote:
“What’s the worst thing that could happen? If you lose, you’ll be back home in Colorado hunting elk.” – Goose Gossage, 1978 Division Playoff
I saw neither the game or heard the postgame, but how was the process vs results?
If a good pitch gets smoked that’s good, if a hitter makes an out on a bad pitch, that’s not so good.
Was there a lot of fastballs? A lot of sliders? Was he nibbling? Attacking the hitters?
@ Raf:
i was thinkin about how to respond to this, and how to say it nicely but i can’t, he looked like crap. He can easily get ahead of the count 0-2, then its over cause they know the slider is coming so they lay off. And if they get a fastball, they can hammer it cause its only 90-91 mph. see: Phil Hughes, the starter. It definitely wasn’t a case of wow his stuff was good but the hitters were just on him. It’s also pretty telling when Aceves can come in and throw 4 shut out innings with great ease and much much less stuff then joba,while joba struggles to get out of the 4th
FWIW, Joba got booed, pretty bad, yesterday, when he left the game. The fans at the Stadium really let him have it. Did he not hear that? How can he say that he did OK after that?
Then it sounds like he needs his pitch selection dictated to him. He gets fined every time he shakes off a pitch
Steve Lombardi wrote:
I was one of the boo-ers. I’m utterly sick of Joba and want him to disappear for a while.
Steve Lombardi wrote:
he shrugged it off and said it didn’t bother him…thats where the quote about how at the end of the day the sun rises and he still has a job comes from, as it was his response to how he felt about the boos
MJ wrote:
FWIW, my 73-year old father feels the same way. His exact quote to me: “I can’t even watch them any more when he is pitching.”
I wasn’t at the game yesterday, so I believe MJ…as a paying customer…deserves every right to bitch about Joba’s performance. If I made the trip and spent a lot of money to see that, i’d be equally outraged.
But do you guys think you’re overreacting just a little bit? We all know Joba is a kid, and as a kid his performances are going to vary. Every few weeks he’ll throw out an utterly dominant start like he did in Cleveland and Atlanta, but most of the time he’s about average and adequate. His move to the plate is too slow, he seems to still “posses” his great stuff but chooses to use it when he feels he needs to (his fb sits at 90-91 but when the count is in his favor he still hikes it up to 95). In other words, he’s still developing. Are we being too impatient here?
Hey, this is the darkside of Joba-mania. You have to take the heat with the hoopla, no?
It sounds to me like Girardi and I assume Eiland, but who knows, are telling the kid to attack the zone and I’m positive that Jorge or Cervelli are down with that game plan when catching him. How can you succesfully develop a player when he refuses to follow the instructions of his coaches?
Hey, this is the darkside of Joba-mania. You have to take the heat with the hoopla, no?
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I think the darkside of Joba-mania is every Yankee fans inflated expectations of him. I believe he’s still 23, 24-years-old at the oldest, and pitching in the division that has the three best team in baseball not named the Dodgers. He was never really given a time to develop and he’s doing that now.
Did that quote and his attitude following the game suck? Yes, it was piss-poor and infuriating. When you suck, you live up to it…that’s where his youth and immaturity show. I can’t argue with that. He throws too many pitches, his velocity is here and gone with each pitch, people steal bases on him freely…it’s so frustrating i can’t possibly tell anybody here not to be mad.
But he’s going to struggle at times, and he’s going to be dominant at times. That’s what these guys do when their 24 and brought up early in their career.
1st inning? What, did General Joe have plans for a late lunch today?