WasWatching.com Water Cooler Talk 7/7/09
Posted by Steve L. on July 7th, 2009 · Comments (36)
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so let’s say doc is available, do you guys trade for him? if so, who do you send?
K-Rosen thinks he’ll be available. And, if true, New York has to be a player – esp. if Boston (John Smoltz, cough, cough) is involved.
The question is: Who do you offer? Joba? Hughes? It’s going to take someone like that.
i’d definitly give up hughes, but it would take more then that i’d think…
sure it will cost a ton, and boston and ny would have to pay an inter-division tax most likely. but you’d have to take a look at this. we are as equipped this year to win a title as we have been in quite some time with sabathia and burnett up top. you front those two with the best pitcher in the game and we’d be as tough an october out as there is. just depends how much they’d want. would think it would be astronomical. doubt this happens but man, fun to think about halladay and cc in a short series together.
You guys will freak to read this, but, the way Hughes is pitching out of the pen, NOW, given the Yankees need there, I’m not sure that I would trade him – even for Doc.
Now, Joba, well…maybe…but, would Cashman and Hal do that? Would Lonn and Randy OK the addition to the payroll?
Steve Lombardi wrote:
see i’m the opposite. I’d keep Joba but flip hughes, and for several reasons.
1) hughes’ trade value is as high as it has been in a few years
2) joba’s trade value is as low as its been in a few years
3) hughes looks God awful out of the rotation, but dominant in the pen
4) joba is better out of the rotation (yet still bad), and was much more dominant in the pen
so i’d ride out the guy who’s hot and trade him, as he’s a lesser talent in the end anyways.
as pat said, if they got CC you’d really, really have to like your chances. Not sure what else you’d have to give up… I’m not really sure what kind of needs the Jays have at a minor league level, anyone know?
err not CC i mean doc
Any final word on who is going out for us on the mound on Thursday?
You’re all dreaming if you think Roy Halladay ends up in New York. Not only will the Yankees not include Joba & Hughes in any trade — and I’d imagine Toronto would ask for both — but Toronto would probably not trade him to New York anyway. As much as Boston has the MiLB depth to get a deal done, I even have a hard time believing that the Jays would trade him to the Red Sox.
Halladay will be shopped to the NL or the AL West (Angels need him more than anyone)…someone like Philly, Milwaukee, or St. Louis that desperately needs pitching help will end up with him.
MJ wrote:
Hey…you never know. The Jays once traded powerhouse Raul Mondesi within the division.
@ bfriley76:
and clemens
@ Corey:
I was only kidding about Mondesi, but if I remember the Clemens deal correctly, Roger wanted out of Toronto, right? I don’t think we’ve heard any of that from Halladay.
At the end of the day, IF it’s true that the Jays will deal Halladay, this is where he will go -
- to a contender who can afford his contract, etc.
- and who can send the Jays back a young, major league proven – note, “proven”, not “ready” – starting pitcher who has AT LEAST there more years before he can become a free agent.
- and who can ALSO send the Jays at least two other prospects who are at Double-A or above and who are within the “sending” team’s top six prospects within their organization.
And, it won’t matter what league or division the team is in, etc.
Well, that’s my humble opinion.
Steve Lombardi wrote:
Agree.
G.I. Joey wrote:
No word yet.
bfriley76 wrote:
mondesi wasn’t that bad when the yanks got him IIRC, just had attitude probs
@ Steve Lombardi:
yup, and if i’m the yanks i’m willing to see what it takes and think hard about pulling the trigger. Doc in the rotation gives us a really good shot to win it all, and thats what its all about right? This is the yankees, if you have a shot to win you go for it.
Then again, with the Yanks “luck” when it comes to picking up pitchers, they will trade for him and then he’ll go on the D.L. for the rest of the season.
mondesi wasn’t that bad when the yanks got him IIRC, just had attitude probs
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169 G
631 AB
158 H
95 R
41 2B
27 HR
92 RBI
23 SB (11 CS)
66 BB
112 K
.250 AVG / .323. OBP / .453 SLG/ .777 OPS
104 OPS+
MJ wrote:
i meant when they got him like his body of work before the trade which was
.276/.331/.491/.823 averaging 30 homers and 94 RBI with 26 SB per 162 games
how about something like
Cano + Hughes + 3rd prospect (many like to say mcallister, but id let the jays pick from non-montero prospects) for doc
the jays could move hill back to SS which is where he played comin through their system so that’d work for them, plus they get hughes to replace holiday and whatever else they want. you think that’d be enough to make it work?
Actually, I didn’t post it to disagree with you, I posted it to agree with you. They gave up nothing and got a guy that put up a 104 OPS+. Nothing wrong with that, especially when you consider the alternatives available at the time.
Corey wrote:
Leaving a massive hole in the offense if you do that. Ransom/Pena can’t play every day. I’m no longer a big fan of Cano’s, but the time to move him would’ve been in the off-season when there were replacements available that could hit better than Ransom/Pena can.
@ MJ:
all the better
MJ wrote:
fill in for 2nd? call up freddy sanchez from AAAA
fill in for 2nd? call up freddy sanchez from AAAA
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How’d you get him from Pittsburgh?
If the Yanks trade Cano, would they dare move Jeter to 2B and play Pena at SS?
If the Yanks trade Cano, would they dare move Jeter to 2B and play Pena at SS?
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Pena doesn’t hit enough to play every day and Jeter wouldn’t move to 2B in-season, let alone in the off-season with 3 months of ass-kissing and begging.
His interview with Serby in the NYP this past weekend didn’t make it seem promising…
http://www.nypost.com/seven/07052009/sports/yankees/serbys_sunday_q__a_with____derek_jeter_177746.htm
well his 8 million dollar option for next year is gonna vest unless sanchez gets hurt, cause he made the AS team and they won’t need him next year…and it might not take much to land him…i figure if they got the pirates to pay half of hinske’s deal then for sure if we paid 8 mil for next plus this years, it wouldnt cost much in terms of prospects.
i also refer to the pirates as our AAAA farm team
I’ve never really seen Sanchez play but something about him makes me feel like the Yanks would miss Cano in that scenario. Dunno why, I just wonder if Sanchez isn’t a scrub made to look better than he is because of the company he keeps on that horrendous ballclub…
Totally BS response, I know. For all I know, Sanchez could be a great player here. But somehow I still wonder if the Yanks offense — thin as it can be sometimes — could withstand losing Cano.
even if he’s not, its much easier to find a serviceable 2nd basemen then it is to find an ace
Corey wrote:
Of course. Nevertheless, I think it’s not happening. If we didn’t trade Hughes/Cano for Santana why would we trade them for Halladay? This entire thread is far-fetched from a NYY perspective.
MJ wrote:
maybe cashman is looking for a little atonement?
also, i think the yanks balked at the prospect price + the price of signing johan to the monster deal, along with the fact that he (at the time) was trending back to reality…here the cost is just the deal, that’s it, and halladay has proved that he’s the best in the biz
maybe cashman is looking for a little atonement?
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For the first time ever, I’ll agree with Steve regarding Cashman: he believes in his record and I don’t see anything that would indicate that he’s trying to “atone” for something. Skipping Santana in favor of Sabathia was his plan all along. I don’t see Cashman seriously involved in Halladay. Stranger things have happened but I assume that the asking price would be so absurd that it wouldn’t make sense for the Yanks.
also, i think the yanks balked at the prospect price + the price of signing
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Wouldn’t it be the same thing here? Why would the Yanks trade for Halladay only to let him go as a free agent? At that point, why not just wait until next year if you really want him?