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		<title>By: Evan3457</title>
		<link>http://waswatching.com/2009/07/21/yanks-mets-twins-os-in-love-quadrangle/comment-page-1/#comment-220928</link>
		<dc:creator>Evan3457</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 12:12:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s a very select group, Steve.

Why only those three? When did beating the Angels, whom they havn&#039;&#039;t beaten regularly in at least 10 years, become the litmus test. Beating the Phillies became a litmus test...when? This year, because they won the title last year?

The Red Sox I can understand; that&#039;s very aggravating.
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The reason why I put that list together is &lt;b&gt;context&lt;/b&gt;; you can&#039;t really judge the Yankees solely on the basis of their record against a select group of teams you think are the elite. If you did, it would be the Rangers who are the best team in the league, because they&#039;re 7-2 against the Angels, and 3-1 against the Red Sox. Yet the Yankees are 4-2 against the Rangers. Or possibly the Mariners, who are 7-6 vs. the Angels, 4-2 vs. the Red Sox, and 2-1 vs. the Dodgers.

You also can&#039;t judge the Yanks solely on the basis of a list of the teams they&#039;ve dominated, because just about &lt;b&gt;every&lt;/b&gt; good team, &lt;b&gt; every year&lt;/b&gt; has a list of mediocre/poor teams they&#039;ve dominated.
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&lt;blockquote&gt;…maybe others are happy to just look the other way, and look for excuses in other teams…and, if so, hey, more power to you brother!&lt;/blockquote&gt; 

I&#039;m not looking the other way; I see their record against the Angels and Sox and Phillies. It&#039;s a question of giving it the appropriate level of evaluative and predictive weight, which is properly &quot;some weight&quot;, not &quot;everything&quot;.

What should count for &quot;everything&quot;? What MLB counts; which is the OVERALL record of the teams, including games against good teams and games against bad teams and games a hot teams and cold teams, and lucky teams and unlucky teams and red teams and blue teams and....

The Yanks could literally go 5-13 against the Sox, and beat them out for the Wild Card or the division, and the Sox could miss the playoffs altogether. I don&#039;t consider that likely, but the Rays are now only 3 1/2 behind the Sox, and it could happen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="comment-toolbar" style="text-align: right"><input type="button" value="Reply" onclick="CF_Reply('Evan3457');" /><input type="button" value="Quote" onclick="CF_Quote('co_220928','Evan3457');" /></div><span id="co_220928"><p>That&#8217;s a very select group, Steve.</p>
<p>Why only those three? When did beating the Angels, whom they havn&#8221;t beaten regularly in at least 10 years, become the litmus test. Beating the Phillies became a litmus test&#8230;when? This year, because they won the title last year?</p>
<p>The Red Sox I can understand; that&#8217;s very aggravating.<br />
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<p>The reason why I put that list together is <b>context</b>; you can&#8217;t really judge the Yankees solely on the basis of their record against a select group of teams you think are the elite. If you did, it would be the Rangers who are the best team in the league, because they&#8217;re 7-2 against the Angels, and 3-1 against the Red Sox. Yet the Yankees are 4-2 against the Rangers. Or possibly the Mariners, who are 7-6 vs. the Angels, 4-2 vs. the Red Sox, and 2-1 vs. the Dodgers.</p>
<p>You also can&#8217;t judge the Yanks solely on the basis of a list of the teams they&#8217;ve dominated, because just about <b>every</b> good team, <b> every year</b> has a list of mediocre/poor teams they&#8217;ve dominated.<br />
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<blockquote><p>…maybe others are happy to just look the other way, and look for excuses in other teams…and, if so, hey, more power to you brother!</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;m not looking the other way; I see their record against the Angels and Sox and Phillies. It&#8217;s a question of giving it the appropriate level of evaluative and predictive weight, which is properly &#8220;some weight&#8221;, not &#8220;everything&#8221;.</p>
<p>What should count for &#8220;everything&#8221;? What MLB counts; which is the OVERALL record of the teams, including games against good teams and games against bad teams and games a hot teams and cold teams, and lucky teams and unlucky teams and red teams and blue teams and&#8230;.</p>
<p>The Yanks could literally go 5-13 against the Sox, and beat them out for the Wild Card or the division, and the Sox could miss the playoffs altogether. I don&#8217;t consider that likely, but the Rays are now only 3 1/2 behind the Sox, and it could happen.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Lombardi</title>
		<link>http://waswatching.com/2009/07/21/yanks-mets-twins-os-in-love-quadrangle/comment-page-1/#comment-220887</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Lombardi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 03:52:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Evan3457 - I have to tip my hat to your interest in all these baseball teams!  Me?  I only care about the Yankees.  Who other teams beat and how they pile up their wins means nothing to me.

Again, me?  I want to see the Yankees beat crap teams like the Mets and O&#039;s.  I expect them to do it - and I&#039;m happy when I see it happen.  But, I also expect them to be able to handle teams like the Red Sox, Angels...and the defending champ Phillies.  And, by handle, I mean beat them 5 or 6 times out of ten.  Now, that would really make me happy.  But, we ain&#039;t seen that yet, have we?

And, all the pointing in the world to teams other than the Yankees ain&#039;t gonna change the way the Yankees have played against the Red Sox and Angels, so far, this year - is it?  Well, at least for me, it&#039;s not...

...maybe others are happy to just look the other way, and look for excuses in other teams...and, if so, hey, more power to you brother! ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="comment-toolbar" style="text-align: right"><input type="button" value="Reply" onclick="CF_Reply('Steve Lombardi');" /><input type="button" value="Quote" onclick="CF_Quote('co_220887','Steve Lombardi');" /></div><span id="co_220887"><p>Evan3457 &#8211; I have to tip my hat to your interest in all these baseball teams!  Me?  I only care about the Yankees.  Who other teams beat and how they pile up their wins means nothing to me.</p>
<p>Again, me?  I want to see the Yankees beat crap teams like the Mets and O&#8217;s.  I expect them to do it &#8211; and I&#8217;m happy when I see it happen.  But, I also expect them to be able to handle teams like the Red Sox, Angels&#8230;and the defending champ Phillies.  And, by handle, I mean beat them 5 or 6 times out of ten.  Now, that would really make me happy.  But, we ain&#8217;t seen that yet, have we?</p>
<p>And, all the pointing in the world to teams other than the Yankees ain&#8217;t gonna change the way the Yankees have played against the Red Sox and Angels, so far, this year &#8211; is it?  Well, at least for me, it&#8217;s not&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8230;maybe others are happy to just look the other way, and look for excuses in other teams&#8230;and, if so, hey, more power to you brother! <img src='http://waswatching.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Pat F</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pat F</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 02:22:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well done evan, spot on.</description>
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		<title>By: Evan3457</title>
		<link>http://waswatching.com/2009/07/21/yanks-mets-twins-os-in-love-quadrangle/comment-page-1/#comment-220814</link>
		<dc:creator>Evan3457</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 19:35:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To date this season, the Sox are 16-4 against the  Tigers, Twins, Royals and O&#039;s.

That means they&#039;d be 39-34  when facing teams other than the Tigers, Twins, Royals and O&#039;s.
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To date this season, the Angels are 14-1 against the D&#039;backs, O&#039;s, Royals and Padres.

That means they&#039;d be 38-37 when facing teams other than the D&#039;Backs, O&#039;s, Royals and Padres.
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The Rays are 19-2 when facing the Jays, Royals, Marlins and Nationals. 

That means they&#039;d be 32-40 when facing teams other than the Jays, Royals, Marlins and Nationals.
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The Phillies are 22-4 when facing the Nationals, Marlins and Pirates.

That means they&#039;d be 30-34 when facing teams other than the Nationals, Marlins and Pirates.
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The Dodgers are 34-9 when facing the Rockies, D&#039;backs, Padres and Mets.

That means they&#039;d be 25-25 when not facing the Rockies, D&#039;backs, Padres and Mets.
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Know what ah mean, Verne?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="comment-toolbar" style="text-align: right"><input type="button" value="Reply" onclick="CF_Reply('Evan3457');" /><input type="button" value="Quote" onclick="CF_Quote('co_220814','Evan3457');" /></div><span id="co_220814"><p>To date this season, the Sox are 16-4 against the  Tigers, Twins, Royals and O&#8217;s.</p>
<p>That means they&#8217;d be 39-34  when facing teams other than the Tigers, Twins, Royals and O&#8217;s.<br />
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To date this season, the Angels are 14-1 against the D&#8217;backs, O&#8217;s, Royals and Padres.</p>
<p>That means they&#8217;d be 38-37 when facing teams other than the D&#8217;Backs, O&#8217;s, Royals and Padres.<br />
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The Rays are 19-2 when facing the Jays, Royals, Marlins and Nationals. </p>
<p>That means they&#8217;d be 32-40 when facing teams other than the Jays, Royals, Marlins and Nationals.<br />
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The Phillies are 22-4 when facing the Nationals, Marlins and Pirates.</p>
<p>That means they&#8217;d be 30-34 when facing teams other than the Nationals, Marlins and Pirates.<br />
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The Dodgers are 34-9 when facing the Rockies, D&#8217;backs, Padres and Mets.</p>
<p>That means they&#8217;d be 25-25 when not facing the Rockies, D&#8217;backs, Padres and Mets.<br />
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Know what ah mean, Verne?</p>
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		<title>By: muskratrambler</title>
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		<dc:creator>muskratrambler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 18:48:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not to nitpick, but every time I hear about where we&#039; be in the standings if we&#039;d only split with Boston, the math is wrong. If you go back and adjust the records as if we&#039;d gone 4-4, we&#039;d actually be eight games ahead now.</description>
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		<title>By: jeter96</title>
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		<dc:creator>jeter96</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 17:41:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can say that with any team in the league..everybody has certain teams during a season that they have beaten up.</description>
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		<title>By: Pat F</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pat F</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 15:51:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>but in all seriousness, as you&#039;d imagine with records, it goes much further than just these three teams (both good and bad).  we&#039;re 5-1 against detroit and 5-2 against toronto.  you add those in we&#039;re 29-7 against those 5 teams and 26-27 vs. everybody else.  but again, without sounding too obvious, this is just the nature of having a record.  you&#039;re going to be in the positive against some and in the negative against others.  it doesn&#039;t necessarily mean anything outside of hoping you&#039;re more in the positive than negative (which the yankees presently are).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="comment-toolbar" style="text-align: right"><input type="button" value="Reply" onclick="CF_Reply('Pat F');" /><input type="button" value="Quote" onclick="CF_Quote('co_220696','Pat F');" /></div><span id="co_220696"><p>but in all seriousness, as you&#8217;d imagine with records, it goes much further than just these three teams (both good and bad).  we&#8217;re 5-1 against detroit and 5-2 against toronto.  you add those in we&#8217;re 29-7 against those 5 teams and 26-27 vs. everybody else.  but again, without sounding too obvious, this is just the nature of having a record.  you&#8217;re going to be in the positive against some and in the negative against others.  it doesn&#8217;t necessarily mean anything outside of hoping you&#8217;re more in the positive than negative (which the yankees presently are).</p>
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		<title>By: Pat F</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pat F</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 15:46:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Steve Lombardi&lt;/b&gt; wrote:
&lt;blockquote&gt;Just cross your fingers that the Yankees get to face the Twins in the ALDS, the O’s in the ALCS and the Mets in the World Series.  

&lt;/blockquote&gt;

good spot there stevo!</description>
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<blockquote><p>Just cross your fingers that the Yankees get to face the Twins in the ALDS, the O’s in the ALCS and the Mets in the World Series.  </p>
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<p>good spot there stevo!</p>
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		<title>By: MJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>MJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 15:42:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Steve Lombardi&lt;/b&gt; wrote:
&lt;blockquote&gt;That the Red Sox have gotten fat against some other team from N.Y. (other than the Mets)?  &lt;/blockquote&gt;
Funny to think about that this morning when we&#039;re tied for first with Boston...had we even split the first eight games, we&#039;d be 4 games up right now.

What a shame...</description>
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<blockquote><p>That the Red Sox have gotten fat against some other team from N.Y. (other than the Mets)?  </p></blockquote>
<p>Funny to think about that this morning when we&#8217;re tied for first with Boston&#8230;had we even split the first eight games, we&#8217;d be 4 games up right now.</p>
<p>What a shame&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Lombardi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Lombardi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 15:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That the Red Sox have gotten fat against some other team from N.Y. (other than the Mets)? ;-)</description>
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