• Red Sox Making A Push For Halladay?

    Posted by on July 28th, 2009 · Comments (15)

    Via Gordon Edes

    The Boston Red Sox have offered at least three players – no-hit pitcher Clay Buchholz, Triple-A pitching prospect Michael Bowden and top outfield prospect Ryan Westmoreland – to the Toronto Blue Jays for ace Roy Halladay, according to a source with knowledge of the negotiations. Because the Blue Jays, who are vigorously shopping Marco Scutaro, are also looking for a shortstop, the Red Sox may be trying to draw a third team into negotiations to satisfy Toronto’s need.

    Both of Boston general manager Theo Epstein’s trading-deadline blockbusters of the last five years have involved multiple teams: When the Red Sox traded shortstop Nomar Garciaparra at the deadline in 2004, three other teams were involved – the Twins (who sent first baseman Doug Mientkiewicz to Boston), the Expos (who dealt shortstop Orlando Cabrera to Boston), and the Cubs (who acquired Garciaparra and prospects). Last year, Epstein traded Manny Ramirez to the Dodgers in a three-way deal in which the Red Sox acquired left fielder Jason Bay from the Pirates.

    Beckett, Lester and Halladay in the same rotation? Should the Yankees be scared?

    Comments on Red Sox Making A Push For Halladay?

    1. ken
      July 28th, 2009 | 5:17 pm

      _ _ _ Beckett, Lester and Halladay in the same rotation? Should the Yankees be scared? _ _ _

      No. We are finally re-establishing a well-rounded team of veterans, youth, all stars and role players. If the Yanks didn’t want Halladay before the Red Sox showed interest then they shouldn’t now. Let someone else flop as a result of a big money move.

    2. clintfsu813
      July 28th, 2009 | 5:18 pm

      I seem to remember a post on here citing that Tex was about to be signed by Boston just minutes before I read that we did, lol. (Not blaming you because you were just hat tipping someone else.) I’ll worry about it when it happens. And even if they do sign Halladay? What are they gonna beat us more than they already do?

    3. July 28th, 2009 | 5:30 pm

      clintfsu813 wrote:

      What are they gonna beat us more than they already do?

      LOL.

    4. ken
      July 28th, 2009 | 5:32 pm

      clintfsu813 wrote:

      And even if they do sign Halladay? What are they gonna beat us more than they already do?

      Perfect.

    5. Rich
      July 28th, 2009 | 5:37 pm

      Bring it on.

    6. Evan3457
      July 28th, 2009 | 5:50 pm

      Yes; the Yankees should be very scared.

      Let’s be real; a rotation trio of Halladay-Beckett-Lester means no divisional title and no World Series titles until at least one of them gets hurt/becomes ineffective/is gone from the Sox. This Yankee team cannot hit any of the three when they’re on their games.

      The Yankees simply must not let this happen. Even if this is what the Red Sox are attempting to do, they’ll have to break up this team to prevent this.

    7. Evan3457
      July 28th, 2009 | 5:52 pm

      clintfsu813 wrote:

      What are they gonna beat us more than they already do?

      No; but instead of being 8-0 vs. the Yanks with a little bit of luck and a little bit of statistical anomaly, they’ll beat the Yanks 4-1 in the ALCS because they’re simply better, and the Yanks can’t hit them at all.

    8. ken
      July 28th, 2009 | 6:13 pm

      @ Evan3457:
      Evan: Let them make the deal and see where the chips fall. The games are played on the field. Beating them with Halladay will only make it sweeter.

      “GGBG takes the plate against Halladay with the bases loaded. Doc delivers. GGBG hits a long fly ball to the short porch at new Yankee Stadium. It is high. It is far. It is goooone!”

    9. Raf
      July 28th, 2009 | 6:24 pm

      Evan3457 wrote:

      Yes; the Yankees should be very scared.
      Let’s be real; a rotation trio of Halladay-Beckett-Lester means no divisional title and no World Series titles until at least one of them gets hurt/becomes ineffective/is gone from the Sox…

      That isn’t necessarily true; how many WS titles did the Braves win with Smoltz, Maddux & Glavine? How many WS titles did the A’s win with Mulder, Zito & Hudson?

    10. Evan3457
      July 28th, 2009 | 6:32 pm

      Raf wrote:

      That isn’t necessarily true; how many WS titles did the Braves win with Smoltz, Maddux & Glavine? How many WS titles did the A’s win with Mulder, Zito & Hudson?

      Beckett has already be the ace for 2 titles, Lester has be a key starter on one. They’ve already shown that they can shut down opposing teams cold with the highest stakes on the line. Halladay has a record of smashing the Yanks with ease, 4 games out of 5 in recent years.

      Unlike Maddux, Glavine, Mulder, Zito and Hudson, these are not pitchers who’ve shown that you can stay with them and beat them when they make mistakes.

      I normally concede nothing to anyone, and if the Sox get Halladay, I’m sure the Yankees won’t concede before the fact. But when I look at Beckett, Lester and Halladay, and I consider CC (1 good start and 4 bad ones in his postseason record), AJ (no postseason record and 2 Fenway meltdowns) and Pettitte (Joba will be in the pen for the postseason), I can only conclude the Yanks would have to get lucky to hit enough to beat the Sox in an ALCS matchup.

      Make that UNUSUALLY lucky.

    11. JeremyM
      July 28th, 2009 | 6:39 pm

      If they can flip that overrated Bucholz for Halladay, I will not be happy. Yes, he had a no hitter, but I really don’t see him at the same level of Joba or Hughes.

      And yes, the Yanks should be scared. It guarantees nothing, but that is a tough rotation.

    12. MJ
      July 28th, 2009 | 9:24 pm

      JeremyM wrote:

      If they can flip that overrated Bucholz for Halladay, I will not be happy. Yes, he had a no hitter, but I really don’t see him at the same level of Joba or Hughes.

      Not sure why you think Buchholz is overrated or why you don’t think he’s on the same level as a Joba or Hughes. His MiLB numbers are every bit as good as Hughes’s:

      Phil Hughes: 330 IP, 2.37 ERA, 0.92 WHIP, 367 K
      Clay Buchholz: 443.1 IP, 2.42 ERA, 1.00 WHIP, 506 K

      Both Hughes and Buchholz had terrible 2008 seasons in the big leagues but both were young pitchers earning their stripes. Hughes now seems to be comfortable in the bigs and is letting his considerable talent shine through. Buchholz will soon get his second chance on a consistent basis and will likely develop just as Hughes did.

      I hate Buchholz but I’m in awe of his talent.

    13. OnceIWasAYankeeFan
      July 28th, 2009 | 9:27 pm

      The offer has been denied by both teams but I do believe the Sox feel a need to try their best to make something game-changing happen by Friday, meaning Halladay, Lee + V-Mart, or least likely, Adrian Gonzales. Halladay in the rotation is no guarantee of success, but nevertheless they become favorites both this year and next. Best of all, since Doc wants to test free agency, I’d actually be happy to get him for 15 months, possibly win at least one WS, then let the Yanks overpay for his decline years. Say, 6/120. Take him deep into his decline years, a second former ace to go with C.C.

      Not to say you won’t win one or two before they start to lose it permanently. I’d just be happy to get him for this year and next without overpaying when he is 33 or 34.

    14. MJ
      July 28th, 2009 | 9:29 pm

      And, yes, the Yanks should be scared if Boston gets Halladay. Not scared to the point that they shouldn’t show up to games because they’ll feel as though a loss is a foregone conclusion but scared to the point that they have to admit the daunting task of beating two legitimate aces (Halladay/Beckett) and a very good young pitcher (Lester) that is developing before our eyes as a legitimate #2 rotation guy.

      It’s a testament to why MiLB depth is so important. Accumulate enough assets that you don’t mind trading some away when the opportunity to acquire rare talent presents itself. The Yanks aren’t at that point yet but hopefully it will only be two or three more seasons before they’ve caught up and have fully re-stocked their farm system with quality arms.

    15. Raf
      July 28th, 2009 | 10:46 pm

      The beauty of the playoffs is that you can have 3 aces, and it doesn’t mean squat, as evidenced by the lack of championships in Atlanta. Having a pitcher the caliber of Beckett helps, but isn’t the be-all end-all to winning the playoffs.

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