• Another 2004 Bosox Confession On PED Use

    Posted by on July 31st, 2009 · Comments (16)

    Via “Arroyo: Andro was rumored tainted” -

    Bronson Arroyo, a former Boston Red Sox teammate of Manny Ramirez and David Ortiz, said he would not be surprised to find his name on a list of 104 ballplayers who tested positive for performance-enhancing drugs in 2003, after he had heard a then-legal supplement he was using was tainted with steroids, the Boston Herald reported.

    Arroyo, now with the Cincinnati Reds, told the Herald he does not know if Ortiz or Ramirez, who were identified in a New York Times story as also being on the list of 104, were taking anything. He said his knowledge of what his teammates did ended at the clubhouse door. But he does not believe their accomplishments should be diminished as a result.

    “In my mind, I think you have to lump the whole era together,” Arroyo said, according to the report. “A lot of people were doing it, a lot weren’t. I think pitchers probably gained 3 or 4 mph on their pitches and power hitters got some more power.

    “But guys like David and Manny, if they did something, it didn’t make them who they were. Did it make them a little better? Probably,” Arroyo said, according to the Herald.

    Betcha this is not the last one…cough, Trot Nixon, cough, cough

    Comments on Another 2004 Bosox Confession On PED Use

    1. Corey
      July 31st, 2009 | 11:55 am

      if your going to man up and admit it, you might as well tell the truth. No respect for Arroyo. Hopefully this will be the end of hearing about how the Yanks should trade for Arroyo during the afternoons on the FAN.

    2. Raf
      July 31st, 2009 | 12:01 pm

      I think Arroyo’s numbers put an end to the trade speculation…

    3. Corey
      July 31st, 2009 | 12:11 pm

      Francessa has been advocating this forever, which is what I am alluding to. And if you ask, why are you listening to Francessa, my response would be my lunch break can be spent listening to commercials on ESPN or Francessa make an ass out of himself, and I choose the latter.

    4. OnceIWasAYankeeFan
      July 31st, 2009 | 12:19 pm

      @ Corey:
      No one has ever tested positive due to use of legal supplements?

      Your bias is showing, and it will show even more when Ortiz, who previously speculated he might have used unknowingly, offers the same explanation.

      I am actually looking forward to it. Ortiz is going to stake whatever reputation he has on an assertion he never knowingly used. You can presume he’s a terrible liar, and I am sure everyone here will. I’ll leave it up to the many steroid hunting journalists to try to prove him a liar.

      Then I’ll hang him out to dry.

    5. Corey
      July 31st, 2009 | 12:24 pm

      your right, Red Sox players all went to GNC while Yankee players all injected, your not biased at all.

      Ortiz went interviewed said that he has to find out the situation. Are you KIDDING ME?! Don’t You know if you took it or not?

    6. Corey
      July 31st, 2009 | 12:24 pm

      Ortiz when* interviewed

    7. Raf
      July 31st, 2009 | 12:44 pm

      Corey wrote:

      Francessa has been advocating this forever, which is what I am alluding to.

      Ah… I don’t listen, so I wouldn’t know.

    8. Raf
      July 31st, 2009 | 12:46 pm

      Corey wrote:

      Ortiz went interviewed said that he has to find out the situation. Are you KIDDING ME?! Don’t You know if you took it or not?

      Depends on what he failed for. Ask JC Romero.

    9. butchie22
      July 31st, 2009 | 12:51 pm

      Corey wrote:

      if your going to man up and admit it, you might as well tell the truth. No respect for Arroyo. Hopefully this will be the end of hearing about how the Yanks should trade for Arroyo during the afternoons on the FAN.

      Good call, mate. Braid Boy Arroyo knew what he was taking. He didn’t know if the Andro was tainted? What is Braid Boy doing taking Andro to begin with? Corey, you can’t listen to irrational Benedict Arnold Boston fans who are biased beyond belief and have no currency ’round here. Thanks for cutting through all the bull and telling it like it is, mate!

    10. butchie22
      July 31st, 2009 | 12:56 pm

      Raf wrote:

      Corey wrote:
      Ortiz went interviewed said that he has to find out the situation. Are you KIDDING ME?! Don’t You know if you took it or not?
      Depends on what he failed for. Ask JC Romero.

      Raf, Ortiz is so full of shit his eyes are brown! I know you like to play the Bill James/contrarian role BUT c’mon mate. Romero wasn’t making statements on steroids and coming off like a hypocrite. And to those wankers you keep on defending the juicers…SOD OFF! Dan Shaughnessy did a great job of capturing the Zeitgeist of this moment in a real way and any attempt to whitewash is both futile and hypocritical.

    11. OnceIWasAYankeeFan
      July 31st, 2009 | 1:25 pm

      Raf has it exactly right – and more to the point, no one in 2003 was telling anyone to be careful about supplements, you don’t know what is in them.

      What has happened when people have been identified as PED users?

      They’ve disappeared into the sunset/completely ignored the allegations – Sosa among others
      ‘Fessed up – A-Rod, Pettitte, many others
      Gone on the offensive – Clemens, Bonds

      This is Ortiz’ reputation here. If he says that he must have taken a supplement that contained something in 2003, and has never, ever knowingly taken a steroid, then he is risking EVERYTHING. If he used, don’t you think that Theo and everyone else is telling him to get in front of this, tell the truth, apologize and move on? Well if he doesn’t do those things, and says he didn’t knowingly take them, then all this is a single positive test, in one year, and no one knows what he did to get the positive test or what he may or may not have done before or after.

      Period.

      And as I’ve said elsewhere, if he sticks to his guns and denies knowingly taking them, then he has put one huge target on his ample butt for someone to tear him down and destroy him. Let’s see if it happens, and I promise you I will lead the parade to have him tarred and feathered.

    12. G.I. Joey
      July 31st, 2009 | 1:29 pm

      FWIW, when I’m at the game on on 8/6 I won’t be bringing a styrofoam syringe with me. That type of BS belongs in Fenway.

    13. Corey
      July 31st, 2009 | 1:37 pm

      If he used, don’t you think that Theo and everyone else is telling him to get in front of this, tell the truth, apologize and move on?
      =======
      did it work with Cashman and A-Rod?

    14. Raf
      July 31st, 2009 | 1:55 pm

      butchie22 wrote:

      Raf wrote:
      Corey wrote:
      Ortiz went interviewed said that he has to find out the situation. Are you KIDDING ME?! Don’t You know if you took it or not?
      Depends on what he failed for. Ask JC Romero.
      Raf, Ortiz is so full of shit his eyes are brown! I know you like to play the Bill James/contrarian role BUT c’mon mate. Romero wasn’t making statements on steroids and coming off like a hypocrite.

      Romero took a legal supplement that caused him to fail a test. You don’t think that there’s a possibility that the same thing could’ve happened with Ortiz? c’mon mate…

      Once again, Tom House mentioned that steroids have been around since the 70′s. Jim Bouton has mentioned PED use in his book “Ball Four.”

      Cut the sanctimonious bs… PLEASE

    15. MJ
      July 31st, 2009 | 1:56 pm

      Well if he doesn’t do those things, and says he didn’t knowingly take them, then all this is a single positive test, in one year, and no one knows what he did to get the positive test or what he may or may not have done before or after.
      ———
      Fair enough, but Barry Bonds has never failed a drug test (except for the same 2003 survey that Ortiz failed) and we all know he juiced. Ortiz may or may not have taken hard-core PED’s but the fact remains that he took SOMETHING which caused a positive test so it’s not unreasonable to believe that he might’ve taken something else and eluded detection, as Bonds did in 2004 and 2005.

      In any event, none of this matters. I don’t think Yankee fans are saying that Boston’s titles are tainted or that “we’re” better than “you”. Yankee fans aren’t sitting in judgment of the Red Sox organization or, even, of David Ortiz. Yankee fans are merely giving Boston fans the same shit they gave us. There are no degrees of right here. Any Boston fan that equivocates or tries to rationalize this recent news on Ortiz is being disingenuous.

      All these guys used SOMETHING and it is up to each individual fan to determine how much he or she cares about that fact. I personally don’t care about the steroids issue or about who used and what was used. I only care about making sure that snotty Red Sox fans remember that their players are no better than anyone else’s. The steroids issue has touched all 30 MLB teams, even if Red Sox fans want to pretend that their heroes might’ve used unknowingly…

      A permissive drug culture certainly explains why Ortiz used but it doesn’t make him any better than A-Rod or Justice or anyone else. Enough with the ridiculous rationalizations.

    16. Corey
      July 31st, 2009 | 2:15 pm

      MJ wrote:

      I only care about making sure that snotty Red Sox fans remember that their players are no better than anyone else’s.

      bingo.

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