• Roy Halladay To The Angels?

    Posted by on July 31st, 2009 · Comments (9)

    That’s the rumor, as per Jayson Stark on ESPN News now…Joe Saunders is reportedly in it with three other Angels…but, as Jayson says, this is not confirmed.

    If true, what do you think? Should the Yankees have been in play here?

    Update 4:22 pm ET: Now, on ESPN News, they’re saying that Stark is sharing there is no deal here.

    Update 4:38 pm ET: Via ESPN News, the Jays are issuing a statement that Roy Halladay will not be traded.

    Comments on Roy Halladay To The Angels?

    1. Scout
      July 31st, 2009 | 4:10 pm

      If it’s true, it spells big trouble for the Yankees come play-off time. The Angels were already a nightmare.

    2. July 31st, 2009 | 4:15 pm

      Good point Scout.

    3. MJ
      July 31st, 2009 | 4:23 pm

      It’ll depend on what the Angels had to pay.

      It may just be my impression or it may be fact but, in my opinion, teams tend to demand a higher price when trading with the Yankees. Hence, even if Anaheim didn’t have to pay much in terms of players, there’s not necessarily a reason to believe that the Yankees could’ve gotten Halladay for the same (or similar) price.

      Having said that…Brian Cashman got his ass kicked today. V-Mart to Boston for a pittance, Halladay to Anaheim for an as-yet unknown package, and Cliff Lee to Philly for a relative bargain as well. Even Detroit got Washburn for what looks like chump change. Not a good day for Cashman or the Yankees.

    4. Corey
      July 31st, 2009 | 4:26 pm

      MJ wrote:

      It may just be my impression or it may be fact but, in my opinion, teams tend to demand a higher price when trading with the Yankees.

      this is a well known thing, it’s referred to as “The Yankee Tax”

    5. Scout
      July 31st, 2009 | 4:30 pm

      I think price is very much a matter of perception. We may value Yankee players and prospects more than those in the business do, so it seems that teams ask more of the Yankees and accept lesser packages from other teams. But it could simply be that those GMs value the other packages more than they do the one offered by the Yankees. Every now and then an exception may arise — the Santana to the Mets deal might fit — but as a general rule teams have no incentive to expect or ask more from the Yankees than from anyone else. If a GM takes back a lesser package from another team, how does he help his own franchise?

    6. butchie22
      July 31st, 2009 | 6:20 pm

      According to Michael Kay, Hal Steinbrenner pretty much said after the Teixeira signing…that was that. They had very lttle financial wiggle room to make such a trade anyway.I dunno if Kay is trying have Cash Man’s back, but it seems that Hal does have a budget limit. And the cost? Hughes AND Joba plus Montero and Ajax…no thanks! A so-called Yankee tax? This is not you older brother’s Blue Jays team that traded Coney and Rodger Dodger(The Rocket) to NY. The Blue Jays fans basically sent a message via talk radio and the blogs that shit would hit the fan if he was traded BUT especially to the Yankees or Red Sox. As Kay has said, Rogers (the Canadian version of Verizon AND Cablevision rolled into one) wanted to keep Halladay because of the bad press. Like I’ve said before they made a 1.1 billion CDN dollar profit last year, own the stadium, the cable provider ,the cable channel and the radio station they play on! Most of their fans know they can afford Halladay and that any trade would have a fan revolt.

      And to be brutally honest, the Red Sox could have offered a better package a la the Santana trade.Bill Smith actually preferred the Red Sox package over the Yankee and Mets one, but the two AL East teams bowed out and the Mets got him in the end. Quite frankly, they have better position prospects than the Yanks and could make a less painful trade. As I’ve said before, JP Retardi is buddy buddy with Theo and Co. If you don’t think sweetheart deals don’t happen in baseball look at the Marlins/Expos ownership switch, John Henry getting the Sox over Cablevision where they outbid his ownership group Red Sox, the Schilling trade to Boston instead of the Yanks among quite a few.@ Scout, let me use this analogy regarding Hallday. I’m an old time Yankee fan and I remember what Mattingly meant to this franchise. Toronto was the model team in the early 90s, before the Yankees became that again. If Mattingly was offered for the best prospects and had a chance to finally play in the playoffs, I would have been pissed. That analogy suits Halladay. He is the face of their franchise, why trade him to the two teams that Jays fans absolutely despise like Boston and New York. The fans in Toronto are more pissed off than they were when the Clemens trade was made(and Bommer Wells was a somewhat beloved former Blue Jay). they were only a few years removed from being champions. At this point, Halladay is the only thing they have to hang on to.

    7. ken
      July 31st, 2009 | 6:29 pm

      @ butchie22:
      nice post

    8. Evan3457
      July 31st, 2009 | 6:54 pm

      As far as I can see…

      1) Nothing the Yanks could’ve done about Martinez going to the Sox. The price paid is between Theo and Shapiro.

      2) Washburn went for French, who was actually in the Tigers rotation. Yanks didn’t have a rotation pitcher to return. Last I heard, they wanted one of the 4 top guys from the Yanks. What could the Yanks do about that?

      3) Re: the Lee deal. Yanks have analogues for Marson and Donald in Cervelli and Lee, but neither is as highly regarded. Yanks probably had a pitching prospect as viable as Knapp. The missing 4th piece would’ve been an equivalent to Carrasco, who’s been at the top of prospect lists for a couple of years now.

      The equivalent Yankee deal is then Hughes, Cervelli, Pena, and a good low level pitching prospect. And that’s if, if mind you, the Indians would’ve held Cervelli and Pena equal to Donald and Marson. Otherwise you’re looking at Hughes and Montero plus two for Lee.

    9. ken
      July 31st, 2009 | 7:00 pm

      @ Evan3457:
      From a Yankee perspective, we really didn’t need much (other than a back of rotation pitcher which can be gotten through waivers). V-Mart helps the Sox but not as much as a decent starting pitcher which would have been a big improvement had they done it. I’m surprised they did not.

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