• Madden: Yanks Losers At Trading Deadline

    Posted by on August 2nd, 2009 · Comments (16)

    Via Bill Madden -

    Say this for the Yankees and Mets: They went into the baseball trading deadline with low expectations and met them.

    Privately, the Yankees were astounded at the seemingly underwhelming return Seattle GM Jack Zduriencik got for Jarrod Washburn (second-tier pitching prospects Luke French and Mauricio Robles) – especially after he’d pulled off such a coup earlier in the week by fetching shortstop Jack Wilson and former 14-game winner Ian Snell out of the Pittsburgh Pirates’ firesale for light-hitting shortstop Ronny Cedeno, defensively challenged catcher/first base prospect Jeff Clement and three low-level pitching prospects. The Yankees thought they could have given Seattle a better package for Washburn, who’s a free agent after the season, but Zduriencik kept asking for top-tier prospects such as outfielder Austin Jackson.

    Nevertheless, the Yankees have to be classified with the losers at the deadline, if only because they really needed to add a starting pitcher, while two of their potential postseason opponents, the Tigers (with Washburn) and the Red Sox (with catcher/first baseman Victor Martinez) made significant upgrades.

    I’ve seen the reports since Friday that say the Yankees passed on Jarrod Washburn because Jack Zduriencik was insisting on Austin Jackson in return…and, I have to confess, it sounds like Yankees propaganda to me. You know…like…”Hey, we wanted Washburn, but, Seattle tried to rob us blind…and Brian Cashman is too smart for that!”

    Sure, maybe the M’s asked for Jackson. I bet they may have asked for Jesus Montero too. Shoot, maybe they even asked for Mariano Rivera? After all, that’s the job of the G.M. – to get the best player in return, if possible. But, on the flipside, the Yankees should have not let it go at that…there’s an art to negotiations, no? If Jack Zduriencik started high on the return for Washburn, the Yankees should have tried to get him down from there…rather than just say “No way!” and walk away.

    Maybe the M’s would have taken a package of Dellin Betances and Ian Kennedy for Jarrod Washburn? When you look at what Seattle got, Luke French and Mauricio Robles, it’s not an insult to say Betances and Kennedy are somewhat close to that…

    In any event, this whole “They wanted Austin Jackson and that was the end of it” thing just bothers me…because it really does make it seem like the Yankees really weren’t trying here…

    Comments on Madden: Yanks Losers At Trading Deadline

    1. yagottagotomo1
      August 2nd, 2009 | 9:56 am

      Apparently the Yankees gave the Mariners a list of prospects they could have, which excluded Hughes, Joba, Montero, Romine, and Jackson. Everyone else was fair game, and Seattle passed. Sometimes teams do not match up, it happens.

    2. Rich
      August 2nd, 2009 | 10:14 am

      From what I have read, the Mariners wanted a ML ready starter, and the Yankees, as a consequence of a vast number of injuries (the cause of which is either really bad luck or poor development techniques), don’t have any to trade.

      I would not have traded Kennedy and Betances for Washburn because I don’t believe in selling low.

    3. Raf
      August 2nd, 2009 | 10:41 am

      From ESPN

      “The New York Yankees also were interested in adding Washburn and when they called, Seattle asked for either of the team’s top two position-player prospects — catcher Jesus Montero or outfielder Austin Jackson. The Yankees then made a counterproposal of lesser prospects and never heard back, as Seattle plowed ahead and dealt Washburn to Detroit.”

    4. Raf
      August 2nd, 2009 | 10:42 am

      Anyway, I don’t trust Washburn just yet. Too may bad seasons before this season he’s having. Something isn’t right.

    5. butchie22
      August 2nd, 2009 | 12:15 pm

      Raf wrote:

      Anyway, I don’t trust Washburn just yet. Too may bad seasons before this season he’s having. Something isn’t right.

      He got something like an ERA hovering around 2.5 in the AL this year and has playoff experience, what’s not to like, mate? In addition, he’s a rental pure and simple. If it was a situation where the Yanks got him for a song(moneywise) andthey would still have to part with something like an upper tier propect or someone on the MLB roster.

      Steve, wre they trying there? I dunno, becaus ethey supposedly don’t have payroll flexibility according to Neer and Kay. Hal said that teix was it and that’s that. I wonder if that is the true story. Then again, Lee Pelekoudas of Seattle didn’t like the Yankee package last year did he? Trader Jack new GM chose another package. AS Steve has said and I agree, it sounds like Yankee propaganda. If it’s Hughes, Joba, Ajax, Montero AND Aceves for Halladay hell with that! NO way!If its one of them like Aceves or Choke and Romine, then pull the trigger for a Washburn. You have to give something to get BUT if its giving an itty bitty bit of your future for a current playoff run you do it, otherwise bollocks to all that!

    6. OnceIWasAYankeeFan
      August 2nd, 2009 | 12:33 pm

      His ground ball to fly ball ratio is something like .6.

      Safeco is a pretty big field, and the M’s have some pretty decent OF defense.

      Would you really want a fly ball pitcher who doesn’t throw that hard in Yankee Stadium? I seriously doubt he’d have anything close to a sub-3.00 ERA if they had gotten him last year and he had spent this season in the Yankee rotation.

    7. Joseph M
      August 2nd, 2009 | 2:11 pm

      I wasn’t crazy about the idea of getting Washburn, certainly he would be a vast improvement over what we have in the 5 hole but that’s not saying much.

      I don’t like Cashman in the GM position at all. I don’t think he evaluates talent very well and the Yankees vast resources help cover this fact up.

      Austin Jackson may turn out to be one very overrated prospect and the Yankees should keep that in mind if they get a chance to do something to help themselves in the pitching department. He looks like a nice young player but that’s it. Nice. He strikes out alot, he doesn’t have much power and he will be 23 years old before the start of next season and he may not even be ready then. If he is that good can you tell me why when Gardner went down he wasn’t called up.

    8. August 2nd, 2009 | 6:48 pm

      Fair questions there Joseph. I’m not sure of the answer. But, those are good questions.

    9. Rich
      August 3rd, 2009 | 2:33 am

      AJack is 22, which makes him young for AAA, and it makes his success at that level all the more impressive. Consequently, it’s hardly unreasonable that he is viewed as not quite being ready for MLB. To trade him for Washburn would have been nuts.

    10. Evan3457
      August 3rd, 2009 | 3:50 am

      Just because a player has a good record at AAA, that doesn’t necessarily mean he’s ready for the majors at this moment.

      Ian Kennedy, anyone? Fernando Martinez?

    11. Raf
      August 3rd, 2009 | 10:24 am

      butchie22 wrote:

      He got something like an ERA hovering around 2.5 in the AL this year and has playoff experience, what’s not to like, mate?

      The fact that he got hammered during his time as a Mariner, posting FIP’s close to 5. He’s a flyball pitcher who played in a big park, that is going to another big park. He’s been doing this with smoke and mirrors, and I’d hate to be the team that signs him to his next contract.

      Pavano had playoff experience, Wright had playoff experience, Irabu & Igawa had playoff experience, so I wouldn’t put too much stock into that.

    12. Corey
      August 3rd, 2009 | 10:33 am

      Evan3457 wrote:

      Fernando Martinez

      to be fair, fernando martinez is 20..i would have gone with Igawa over Kennedy and F-Mart, myself. There’s still chance Kennedy can become a contributer at the big league level…hey if Aceves can do it with his soft stuff, so can Ian.

    13. Joseph M
      August 3rd, 2009 | 1:59 pm

      @ Rich

      I don’t want it to seem like I’m dismissing him, but at this point he is in his 5th minor league season so calling him up to take the place of an injured outfielder doesn’t seem to radical.

      The bigger issue, I think he has the potential to be a major league player but closer to a Melky type player than a Bernie Williams or a Juan Rivera type player. His numbers remind me a little of a guy who played in the majors in the 70′s and 80′s who came up with the Yankees named Terry Whitfield. Again a nice player but Yanks really need another starter. Ask yourself this, is it worth risking a shot at the title for a player of that level.

    14. Evan3457
      August 3rd, 2009 | 3:26 pm

      Corey wrote:

      Evan3457 wrote:

      Fernando Martinez

      to be fair, fernando martinez is 20..i would have gone with Igawa over Kennedy and F-Mart, myself. There’s still chance Kennedy can become a contributer at the big league level…hey if Aceves can do it with his soft stuff, so can Ian.

      Oh, I still think Kennedy will be in someone’s rotation in the next 2-3 years. He’ll finish his development, mentally, and wind up a #4 starter for a few years for someone. He might be better than that.

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