• Wild Thought: Pavano

    Posted by on August 7th, 2009 · Comments (14)

    The Twins have picked up Carl Pavano from the Indians.

    So, here’s a wild thought: Given the Yankees need for a fifth starting pitcher, should New York had made a play to get Pavano? Or, if they had, would you have wanted Brian Cashman run out of town on a rail?

    After all, we saw enough of Pavano in Yankeeland, didn’t we? Then again, those in support of the Yankees recent acquistion of Chad Gaudin are quick to say things like it’s better than nothing and why not try it and then ditch it if it doesn’t work…so, shouldn’t the same apply to Pavano? If not, then it seems silly to offer that logic toward any scrub pitcher the Yankees acquire between now and September 1st, no?

    Comments on Wild Thought: Pavano

    1. Corey
      August 7th, 2009 | 1:07 pm

      pavano doesn’t deserve a world series ring.

    2. clintfsu813
      August 7th, 2009 | 1:35 pm

      I loathe the guy, but take his stats from this year..the stats not the person..and I think hes definitely better than Mitre (Dont call me My-ter) or Gaudin

    3. MJ
      August 7th, 2009 | 1:44 pm

      But sometimes stats aren’t the only thing you have to consider when you’re talking about RE-acquiring a familiar face. If the reports are to be believed, NOBODY liked Pavano when he was on the Yanks. Why bring in someone that everyone hates — fans, media, teammates, coaches? That’s setting him up to fail.

      When the Mets brought back Bobby Bonilla in 1999, I thought it was the dumbest thing ever. He was the poster-child for everything that sucked about the Mets in the Al Harazin era. To bring him back was to insult and torment Mets fans that had finally managed to get over those awful years.

    4. Raf
      August 7th, 2009 | 1:58 pm

      FWIW, 2009 FIP

      Joba: 4.76
      Chad: 3.68
      Sergio: 4.52

      Pavano: 4.26 :D

      Anyway, for all we know maybe Cashman made a play for Pavano and was unsuccessful for whatever reason. Ponson was bought back, why not Pavano? It isn’t that far fetched an idea.

    5. MJ
      August 7th, 2009 | 2:22 pm

      Ponson was bought back, why not Pavano? It isn’t that far fetched an idea.
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      I reiterate that not all re-acquisitions are the same. Ponson’s presence didn’t antagonize everyone (fans, teammates, coaches, media) the way Pavano’s presence would. It’s just better to leave him alone. No one wants to revisit that marriage, him included.

    6. clintfsu813
      August 7th, 2009 | 4:00 pm

      @ MJ:
      I concur..You’re right about him possibly screwing up the great chemistry in the clubhouse.

    7. nettles
      August 7th, 2009 | 4:46 pm

      MJ wrote:

      But sometimes stats aren’t the only thing you have to consider when you’re talking about RE-acquiring a familiar face. If the reports are to be believed, NOBODY liked Pavano when he was on the Yanks. Why bring in someone that everyone hates — fans, media, teammates, coaches? That’s setting him up to fail.
      When the Mets brought back Bobby Bonilla in 1999, I thought it was the dumbest thing ever. He was the poster-child for everything that sucked about the Mets in the Al Harazin era. To bring him back was to insult and torment Mets fans that had finally managed to get over those awful years.

      Right. Throw the stats out the door on this one. No way he’d be the same pitcher here as he was in Cleveland. Carl’d get booed off the mound and shredded in the press…and no knows it better than Carl himself.

    8. ken
      August 7th, 2009 | 4:58 pm

      The team and front office dislike and have no respect for this guy. They won’t waste a millisecond thinking about it.

    9. Pat F
      August 7th, 2009 | 5:35 pm

      spot on mj, well said.

    10. JeremyM
      August 7th, 2009 | 7:05 pm

      Corey wrote:

      pavano doesn’t deserve a world series ring.

      The Yanks already gave him one, by losing the 03 Series. Honestly, that is the loss that bugs me the most, because there was no excuse for it.

    11. dpk875
      August 8th, 2009 | 2:00 am

      I honestly thought the Yanks should have offered Pavano an incentive laden contract. I would have offered around $1 mil up front, and start and innings based performance bonus’s to get it up to around $5 mil. I would take him over Mitre any day, and as this season has proved again, you can never have enough pitching depth.

    12. handtius
      August 8th, 2009 | 5:03 am

      Hello,

      Chad Gaudin is 26, has 105 SO in 105 inning, walks too many, 4+/9. and a Fip of 3.68. So, he has upside and is under team control for cheap.

      goodbye

    13. Raf
      August 9th, 2009 | 5:55 am

      JeremyM wrote:

      Corey wrote:
      pavano doesn’t deserve a world series ring.

      The Yanks already gave him one, by losing the 03 Series. Honestly, that is the loss that bugs me the most, because there was no excuse for it.

      Randomness of a short series. Even with the Gonzalez cheapie, I wouldn’t have thought that David Wells back would act up preventing him from pitching further in game 5. I think that hurt more than the Weaver game.

    14. Raf
      August 9th, 2009 | 5:58 am

      handtius wrote:

      Chad Gaudin is 26, has 105 SO in 105 inning, walks too many, 4+/9. and a Fip of 3.68. So, he has upside and is under team control for cheap.

      He also has a hard time with LHB (.819) OPS, so that may be part of the reason why he has worked and will be working out the pen for the time being.

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