BUT MJ aka Maim Jeter
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You know you’ve arrived as a celebrity or a person of interest when Butchie gives you one of his trademarked nicknames. Butch, thanks for the compliment. AJ Burnit, Ca$h Man, Aroid, Big Flappi and I will wear the nicknames as a badge of honor.

JeremyM wrote:

And let me say this: I think it says a lot about Jeter when he was errantly called out at third earlier this season and the crew chief initially took Jeter’s side, based on the way Jeter has handled himself over his career. By and large, Jeter is a class act and we’re lucky to have watched him all of these years.

Good call, Jeremy. One can say many things about Jeter and classy is one of those things. It’s one thing to slag on Jeter if he was a camera loving media whore, who didn’t give a shit about the fans and went about his business the wrong way… but the fact is that he is a model citizen. I agree that we have been lucky to have seen such a great player for so many years.

Good call on the Arod/Jeter situation as well. I give you a lot of credit for being fair and balanced on that matter.

And let me say this: I think it says a lot about Jeter when he was errantly called out at third earlier this season and the crew chief initially took Jeter’s side, based on the way Jeter has handled himself over his career. By and large, Jeter is a class act and we’re lucky to have watched him all of these years.

I definitely agree that Jeter is not the leader he has been made out to be, but I also think that such “skills” are overrated. That said, and it’s a flaw in A-Rod, but A-Rod is the one person on the team that would’ve responded favorably to Jeter throwing him a bone by sticking up for him in 2006- just like he stuck up for Giambi through his steroid thing.

Yes, A-Rod’s comments were tacky and not the things a friend should say about another friend. But Jeter could’ve been the bigger person and moved on, and instead he seemingly held a grudge for years. Would it have helped A-Rod’s performance in the playoffs that year? I tend to doubt it, but it couldn’t have hurt.

YankCrank wrote:

BUT you go and on with your anti-Jeter bias. It’s a bit much. It’s beyond a bit much, you have a very skewed perspective on Jeter that is so ludicrous,it’s silly.
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Just to be fair butch, and i’m not trying to be mean here, but you have a slight bias against some Yankee players too. Many times you’ve been here talking negatively against Alex, Swish, AJ etc.
Hey, we’re all guilty of it, right? I’m not calling you out, but let’s be fair. As much as MJ may talk negatively about Derek, you’ve done the same with a number of players. We all have, including me, and even Steve can agree.

Crank ,there’s a major difference. I don’t skewer Alex, Swish, AJ everytime out just for the sake of it. It’s ultimately about results.On Arod, I’ve said that he has a work ethic that is non pareil. In that respect,he is an exemplar to younger players on the team. And he is very productive,even thought he is a nutcase off the field..I became very annoyed with Arod where his off the field antics became just ridiculous.Reread my posts on Swisher. A good clubhouse guy, hits well BUT is feast and famine defensively in the outfield. With AJ, I have been tough with him BUT he has been really good to the team and an asset to it so far! He’s different than he was in Toronto and he is arguably the ace if not their best pitcher this year. That sounds fair and balanced,no? I tell it like it is. Case in point, I can’t stand AJ BUT I applaud his performance and the fact that he has fit in wonderfully. He actually has surprised me, especially with his cream pies. And to be fair , I’ve given Cash Man compliments when he’s done something right Once again, my enmity stems from the results and not some personal animus.

In the case of MJ and Jeter , there seems to be an element of how petty Jeter is etc so on vs Arod. That consistent negative stance towards Jeter is not merited. I’ve never seen ANYTHING positive about him from MJ! At least on the players I’ve criticized, I’ve judged them according to their excellent or bad play(and in the case of Arod his idiocy of being the anti-Jeter off the field) Yes, I’ve said negative things about “St” Jeter BUT I know what he has accomplished with this team and how well he goes about his business off the field. Arod is a complete mess vs Jeter in that respect. In essence, MJ’s spin is totally off on who Jeter is. It’s almost like he’s denigrating Derek jeter from the Twilight Zone NOT the Yankees. My point of contention is not that I’m a Jeter lover BUT MJ aka Maim Jeter looks to get at the Golden Boy at any chance. I’m sorry to say, that with what he’s accomplished with this team (as being such a winner) MJ has gone a bit too far. But as MJ admitted he seems more negative because he’s so adored. But that adoration of his play and the way he goes about his business is there for a reason. Yes, I derisively refer to him as St Derek and Golden Boy for this perception BUT Jeter is part of the solution NOT part of the problem. He’s also having a great season this year and hopefully along with Swisher sweet, Alex and AJ they will win it all this year.

Ultimately, my point is that at least be even handed in your criticism. It’s as if Jeter sucked and everything thing he does is circumspect. I’m the exact opposite,Crank. I’ve ripped certain players BUT when they do the job, I give them credit. Except for Kei Igawa….that is the only exception!

@ YankCrank:
PS – My post directly above was not meant to be argumentative towards you, merely a clarification of what I believe to be my record of comments regarding Jeter. No, I don’t get all warm-and-fuzzy when I think about him, but I don’t hate him.

And thanks for your support, by the way. Butchie forgets himself sometimes…

As much as MJ may talk negatively about Derek
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I admit I’ve utterly destroyed Joba and Nady on this site in recent months. I don’t think I’ve trashed Jeter. IMHO, I think I’ve only said the following about Jeter:

1. I hope the Yanks don’t pull a nostalgia signing in 2010 because it’s not in the best interests of the team;
2. I don’t think Jeter’s so-called leadership attributes are as great as they’re purported to be;
3. I find it unfair that anything Jeter does is labeled as “heroic” but anything A-Rod does is labeled “stat-padding” or something equally pejorative and/or insulting; and
4. I don’t find myself particularly enamored of Jeter’s cold, distant personality.

I wouldn’t think all that is negative talk per se but merely a dissenting or contrarian opinion on a guy that 99% of NYY fans blindly adore. I suppose it appears more negative than it is precicely because he’s so blindly adored.

Anyway, it hardly matters and I don’t think I have to justify my position. I admit that I have no great sentimentality for Jeter the way I do for O’Neill or Rivera. If that comes across as negative then I guess it is what it is.

BUT you go and on with your anti-Jeter bias. It’s a bit much. It’s beyond a bit much, you have a very skewed perspective on Jeter that is so ludicrous,it’s silly.
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Just to be fair butch, and i’m not trying to be mean here, but you have a slight bias against some Yankee players too. Many times you’ve been here talking negatively against Alex, Swish, AJ etc.

Hey, we’re all guilty of it, right? I’m not calling you out, but let’s be fair. As much as MJ may talk negatively about Derek, you’ve done the same with a number of players. We all have, including me, and even Steve can agree.

If you don’t understand that one, mate I’ll send you a bloody reading comprehension book.
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Feel free to send it along. Ask Steve for my address.

MJ wrote:

Butchie, I have no idea what you’re talking about but, since you asked, MJ stands for my first and middle names. I don’t care to mangle, murder or mistreat Jeter.

MJ, I don’t understand what you are saying either! Holy shit, that is such a coincidence. Let me, break it down to one simple fact:your disdain of Derek Jeter. Your Jeter hatred is so off base. It’s one thing if St Derek sucked and was done on the field BUT you go and on with your anti-Jeter bias. It’s a bit much. It’s beyond a bit much, you have a very skewed perspective on Jeter that is so ludicrous,it’s silly. If you didn’t effing notice,he’s still a damn good player! You have some irrational dislike of him, that makes very little sense.If you don’t understand that one, mate I’ll send you a bloody reading comprehension book.