• August 30th vs. The White Sox

    Posted by on August 30th, 2009 · Comments (12)

    Nice to see Alfredo Aceves have a strong performance in this game. And, seeing it, along with the performance of Phil Hughes today – combined with Hughes’ performance all season out of the pen – makes me wonder if the Yankees would consider using Aceves in the rotation next season and keep Hughes in the bullpen?

    Now, on to Joba Chamberlain. Girardi and crew elected to have him go three innings today – throwing 35 pitches. All this time, under the old and new Joba Rules, Brian Cashman and Joe Girardi have said that Chamberlain would be in the Yankees rotation come October. So, here’s the question: If you have Joba throw 35 pitches per start for the next month, what’s going to happen in the post-season when you ask him to start a game and throw 100 pitches? Will his arm be up for that after a month’s “vacation”?

    Hopefully, the Yankees will build his arm up – having him go 45 pitches, 55 pitches, 65 pitches, 75 pitches, and 85 pitches over his next (and remaining?) 5 starts. Otherwise, if you have him throw 35 pitches per start from here to October…well…you’re just asking for it in the post-season when he starts a game…if the plan still is to keep him in the rotation at that time…

    Comments on August 30th vs. The White Sox

    1. BOHAN
      August 30th, 2009 | 7:25 pm

      theyre doin a kinda spring training thing with joba…. every start will increase in innings so next start hell go 4 or 5 then next alittle more… theyre not gunna just have him throw 35 pitches for the rest of year and try then let him throw 100 in october that would be just dumb

    2. August 30th, 2009 | 8:08 pm

      And, seeing it, along with the performance of Phil Hughes today – combined with Hughes’ performance all season out of the pen – makes me wonder if the Yankees would consider using Aceves in the rotation next season and keep Hughes in the bullpen?
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      No.

      And I kind of figured they were going to use Joba out of the pen in the postseason, but I’m not sure why I figured that. So I assume they’ll build him back up.

    3. clintfsu813
      August 30th, 2009 | 8:43 pm

      MVPs thus far..Jeter,Tex,CC,Ace. Ace has been extremely important this year.

    4. JeremyM
      August 30th, 2009 | 10:30 pm

      I don’t know that I would want to see Joba in the playoffs at this point. He is not the same pitcher he was, or even close. Not sure what’s going on with him, but his velocity is significantly down. And he does not handle runners on base well at all, it completely rattles him.

    5. Evan3457
      August 30th, 2009 | 10:36 pm

      BOHAN wrote:

      theyre doin a kinda spring training thing with joba…. every start will increase in innings so next start hell go 4 or 5 then next alittle more… theyre not gunna just have him throw 35 pitches for the rest of year and try then let him throw 100 in october that would be just dumb

      BOHAN is right; your second thought is right, Steve. Doing a 2nd spring training with Joba is the only way to “serve” all 3 “masters”.

      1. The need to hold his total innings to 160 or less.
      2. The need to keep him on a regular turn (Joba feels he needs this).
      3. The need to have his arm ready to throw 5-7 innings when the postseason starts.

      That’s the current plan, and it’s very well thought out; well-designed.

      Will the plan work? {Shrugs indecisively}

    6. August 30th, 2009 | 10:53 pm

      I heard that, second hand, on the radio pre-game Girardi said Joba was going 3 innings – whether it took him 9 pitches or 50 pitches…

      anyone else hear that? Makes it seem like they’re not looking at the right things here, no?

    7. MJ
      August 31st, 2009 | 11:16 am

      That’s the current plan, and it’s very well thought out; well-designed.
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      I agree that this is a well-designed plan.

      Joba is at 134 innings right now. He pitched 100 innings in 2008 and 112 innings in 2007. If the goal is to get him to about 150 regular season innings over the next four weeks (approximately 4 more starts) then giving him for “spring training starts” at approximately 3-4 innings per start will get him to 150. Thereafter, he’ll be in the bullpen in the ALDS and be in line to make 1 start in each of the ALCS and WS rounds.

      If you figure he’ll see about 3 innings in the ALDS and combine for about 12 innings in his ALCS/WS starts, that’ll put him at 165 for 2009. WIth a 40-50 inning increase for 2010, that’ll give him approximately 200 innings to work with next year.

      Having said all that, the previous plans were pretty idiotic. They should’ve had him start the year in the bullpen as a long man/spot-starter the way the Twins did with Johan Santana back in 2002 or 2003. All the juggling can’t be good for him…

      …and as an aside, I think we run into the same dilemma with Phil Hughes next year. He pitched 146 innings in 2006, 110 in 2007, 70 in 2008 and is at 92 so far in ’09. He’ll probably be capped at 160 next year…

    8. MJ
      August 31st, 2009 | 11:18 am

      As an aside, and for comparison purposes only — no judgements — here are the year-by-year innings totals of Jon Lester (JL) and Clay Buchholz (CB):

      JL: ’06 128, ’07 154, ’08 210, ’09 168
      CB: ’07 148, ’058 135, ’09 150

    9. YankCrank
      August 31st, 2009 | 11:21 am

      …and as an aside, I think we run into the same dilemma with Phil Hughes next year. He pitched 146 innings in 2006, 110 in 2007, 70 in 2008 and is at 92 so far in ‘09. He’ll probably be capped at 160 next year…
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      Keep Phil in the pen! The 8th inning is super important!!

    10. MJ
      August 31st, 2009 | 11:56 am

      YankCrank wrote:

      Keep Phil in the pen! The 8th inning is super important!!

      SHHHHH! People will hear that and convince themselves (all over again) that the 8th inning is more important than the first 6 innings…

    11. YankCrank
      August 31st, 2009 | 11:59 am

      MJ wrote:

      YankCrank wrote:

      Keep Phil in the pen! The 8th inning is super important!!

      SHHHHH! People will hear that and convince themselves (all over again) that the 8th inning is more important than the first 6 innings…

      But we’ll never get to the Rivera unless we shut down the 8th inning!!! We’re Yankee fans, the 8th inning is the ONLY INNING!

    12. Corey
      August 31st, 2009 | 12:21 pm

      I still think the original bullpen-rotation debate had merit, but it has deteriorated to whether or not the 8th innings is more valuable than starting. Personally, I like/prefer Hughes at the moment in the pen. It’s not because I believe the role is more important, but because I think Hughes performs better in that role vs. starting. Now, sure, I want to give him another crack at the rotation cause, hey, he’s deserves it. But, if down the line, he proves that he’s not capable of starting every 5th day and giving consistent quality outings, he should go back into the pen. The argument shouldn’t be what time of the game is more important, but a blend of where Hughes helps the team most and where Hughes maximizes his RSAA value. This also holds true with Joba, however I think we can all agree that Joba has at least proved himself as a capable starter. Joba just needs to work the kinks out, and maybe the same can be said of Hughes…only time will tell. But, for now, Hughes is in the pen and doing a fantastic job, so let’s enjoy it.

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