• WasWatching.com Water Cooler Talk 8/31/09

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    1. Tresh Fan
      August 31st, 2009 | 9:35 am

      DYK that if the Yankees win two games in Baltimore over the next three days they will mathematically eliminate the O’s from the AL East? Think about that. The Yanks win tonight and tomorrow and the O’s are out—with 30 games left on the schedule! They will be mathematically eliminated nearly a full week before Labor Day. And the surprising thing about that is that its not surprising at all. What was just 12 years ago a model franchise has become a perennial laughingstock.

    2. Corey
      August 31st, 2009 | 9:43 am

      @ Tresh Fan:
      pretty cool, want another cool bit of info? The Yanks magic number to clinch a playoff birth? 24.

    3. YankCrank
      August 31st, 2009 | 9:44 am

      That’s kind of cool Tresh haha.

      What I have on my mind about this series is we would really make things easier on ourselves if we can pick another game up on the Red Sox during the next 3 days. They don’t play well in Tampa, and i’m hoping we can sweep the lowly O’s and pick up a game or two.

      I guess we don’t “need” to, but with seven games left with Tampa, four with the Angels, three with the Sox and another West Coast trip i’d feel more comfortable if we could leave Baltimore with at least a seven game lead in the AL East.

    4. butchie22
      August 31st, 2009 | 12:13 pm

      The Blackbirds can’t get no respect ’round here unh? Tresh, the Os were never in contention to begin with ,so thanks for the info! LOL Tresh, Mac Phail is going through a rebuilding program with them ,which seems to be better than what they had done before. Yeah, they suck now, but with a guy like MacPhail guiding them , within the game they aren’t a “laughing stock” per se. Though, if Angelos still ran things(the Anti-Steinbrenner) they would be worse than atrocious…..

      Funny how this morning someone talked about the model for the Mets rebuild are Phail’s Os of all things. I don’t know how far Los Metropolitanos should rebuild BUT they should do something .

    5. Raf
      August 31st, 2009 | 12:33 pm

      It helps that the M’s were such a willing accomplice… That Bedard deal was a flippin heist…

    6. MJ
      August 31st, 2009 | 12:43 pm

      Raf wrote:

      It helps that the M’s were such a willing accomplice… That Bedard deal was a flippin heist…

      Absolutely true. They destroyed Seattle on that trade.

      Here’s some more trivia about the O’s: if Brian Roberts hits two more doubles this year (chances are, he will), he joins Hall of Famers Stan Musian, Paul Waner and Tris Speaker as the only players with three or more 50-double seasons. I respect Brian Roberts’s game a lot.

    7. Corey
      August 31st, 2009 | 12:50 pm

      @ MJ:
      if bonds gets an asterix, so does roberts

    8. Corey
      August 31st, 2009 | 12:51 pm

      sounds like i’m defending bonds, i’m really just ripping roberts

    9. butchie22
      August 31st, 2009 | 1:53 pm

      Raf wrote:

      It helps that the M’s were such a willing accomplice… That Bedard deal was a flippin heist…

      Bavasi thought that he found the missing piece to compete in that division…boy did he think wrong AND a lot of other people,too. MacPhail did a nice job on that trade.

      I like Roberts,too and was surprised that MacPhail didn’t fleece Hendry and the Cubs for him. I guess he saw him as a piece of the future puzzle.

      As much as I dislike cheating, Bonds and Roberts were not the only culprits. How many pitchers juiced, let alone hitters. I still think that one of the steroid/HGH guys will be indicted into the Hall of Shame. How many players from the 70s and 80s(and 90s for that matter) in the hall did greenies? That’s cheating. ANd how many pitchers scuffed balls?

    10. Corey
      August 31st, 2009 | 1:57 pm

      @ butchie22:
      my stance on the cheating subject is: it really doesn’t matter to me. I’m just providing context that’s all.

    11. OnceIWasAYankeeFan
      August 31st, 2009 | 2:26 pm

      Any comments from Yankee fans about Paul Byrd pitching on 340 days rest? :) Granted the Jays have been atrocious with the bats, but less than a month from pitching BP to his kid’s 13 year old friends to going six at Fenway and allowing three hits and no runs? You have to respect a guy who has gone as far as Paul Byrd has with what he brings to the mound. I think as baseball fans we should set aside any partisanship to recognize a guy with such weak game who has managed to last 14 seasons, 250 starts of better than league-average ERA. Not to mention that he did it through the steroid era.

      Plus he’s got that funny old-style wind up. :)

    12. MJ
      August 31st, 2009 | 2:31 pm

      Not to mention that he did it through the steroid era.
      ———–
      He was a part of the steroid era, that’s for sure.

      Nah, no kudos for Paul Byrd from me. He’s just one of a million mediocrities in baseball history. Why would I celebrate him over the 999,999,999 others?

    13. MJ
      August 31st, 2009 | 2:32 pm

      *million was supposed to be billion

    14. Corey
      August 31st, 2009 | 2:34 pm

      @ OnceIWasAYankeeFan:
      i can’t wait for him to get bombed in his next start and you proclaim he’s just another horrible “upside” signing by theo and Co.

      OnceIWasAYankeeFan wrote:

      Not to mention that he did it through the steroid era.

      forget about the HGH?

    15. butchie22
      August 31st, 2009 | 2:42 pm

      Byrd? Look, the Bluebirds get hits BUT don’t score any runs. Very amusing to look at some of their games where they get 10 hits and score 1 or 2 runs, when the other team got 10 hits and scores 5. Look Toronto is a bad clutch team and Byrd did a decent job of holding them down to nothing. Yeah, it was the Rolenless-Rioless squad BUT he did better than expected. If he’s a serviceable 5 starter with Boston that’s a big help at this point. He was with them last year so he knows what it’s like up there in terms of pressure etc so on.

      BTW, he got his HGH from his dentist. I didn’t know that someone needed HGH for two years for a toothache! It’s funny how he was outed during the ALCS of 2007. Nice psychological tweak from someone in the Red Pox Fold/Nation/Evil Empire 2.

    16. YankCrank
      August 31st, 2009 | 2:45 pm

      I think as baseball fans we should set aside any partisanship to recognize a guy with such weak game
      ——

      I’m about ready to give as much recognition to Paul Byrd for his work against the Jays as I am to give Sergio Mitre for his work against the White Sox: None.

    17. OnceIWasAYankeeFan
      August 31st, 2009 | 2:51 pm

      @ Corey:
      There is no “upside” to Paul Byrd. If he pitches six innings and you are in the game, that’s a best-case scenario.

      @ M.J.:
      Because I’m not sure how many mediocrities last as long as he did, or come back at age 38 with a 320 day lay-off. Or lasted so long with such mediocre stuff.

      Yeah, I forgot about the HGH – probably because how the hell could it help a guy like that? Even if HGH does something for a pitcher, it didn’t make his fastball hard enough to break a pane of glass. If anything he demonstrates the pressure on a marginal major leaguer to try anything if it will help him stick around – just as its been supposed that a lot of the 104 names, if we ever find out all of them, will turn out to be marginal and forgotten players who were just trying to stick after watching a lot of stars get even better with the juice.

    18. bfriley76
      August 31st, 2009 | 2:55 pm

      Speaking of pitching, I was checking the scoreboard for today’s Tampa game and saw that Washburn was getting spanked. Check out his numbers since being traded to Detroit

      37 IPs
      6.81 ERA
      1.41 WHIP
      41 Hits allowed
      11 HRs allowed

      Talk about a bullet dodged.

    19. MJ
      August 31st, 2009 | 3:02 pm

      Whoa, 11 HR’s in 37 innings? That’s seriously horrendous.

    20. YankCrank
      August 31st, 2009 | 3:03 pm

      bfriley76 wrote:

      Speaking of pitching, I was checking the scoreboard for today’s Tampa game and saw that Washburn was getting spanked. Check out his numbers since being traded to Detroit

      37 IPs
      6.81 ERA
      1.41 WHIP
      41 Hits allowed
      11 HRs allowed

      Talk about a bullet dodged.

      Yeah, now imagine that with his home games at YS.

    21. Corey
      August 31st, 2009 | 3:18 pm

      @ OnceIWasAYankeeFan:
      i should have been more clear, i didn’t mean upside like prospects have upside, i meant upside like hes a no risk high reward signing, like smoltz and penny…as in if hes good, u get a high reward, if hes not u release him and it costs little, i.e. no risk.

    22. Corey
      August 31st, 2009 | 3:29 pm

      OnceIWasAYankeeFan wrote:

      @ Corey:
      There is no “upside” to Paul Byrd. If he pitches six innings and you are in the game, that’s a best-case scenario.
      @ M.J.:
      Because I’m not sure how many mediocrities last as long as he did, or come back at age 38 with a 320 day lay-off. Or lasted so long with such mediocre stuff.
      Yeah, I forgot about the HGH – probably because how the hell could it help a guy like that? Even if HGH does something for a pitcher, it didn’t make his fastball hard enough to break a pane of glass. If anything he demonstrates the pressure on a marginal major leaguer to try anything if it will help him stick around – just as its been supposed that a lot of the 104 names, if we ever find out all of them, will turn out to be marginal and forgotten players who were just trying to stick after watching a lot of stars get even better with the juice.

      you make it seem like the players who had talent then took PEDs are the bad guy…to that i reply, chicken or the egg, sir. What if, bad players started taking hgh and steroids first and became mediocre players (like byrd), players that could compete with the high paid guys. And then, the high paid guys said hey that’s not fair we are X value (whether it be dollars or whatever u measure value in) more then these bad players turned mediocre, we should take it too to re-even the playing field. In this case, the marginal players come out as the bad guys, no? This is, purely speculation but so is your guess about how it went down…i mean really do we really know what the answer is?

      In any case, your now faulting players for being more talented then others when it comes to PED’s. You give Byrd a pass cause he sucks, and that’s not fair. If a player used PED’s, you can no longer make the claim that he did well despite it being the steroid era as he WAS the steroid era.

    23. butchie22
      August 31st, 2009 | 3:40 pm

      YankCrank wrote:

      I think as baseball fans we should set aside any partisanship to recognize a guy with such weak game
      ——
      I’m about ready to give as much recognition to Paul Byrd for his work against the Jays as I am to give Sergio Mitre for his work against the White Sox: None.

      Mate, I’m on an opposite tip regarding both Mitre and Byrd. Mitre did a nice job against the Faded Hose, who are a better team than the Blow Jays at this point. Yeah, it’s an anomaly BUT I’ll throw him a well deserved bone. And it’s easier to slag Mitre at this point because we have seen a larger body of work from him (a larger sample set comparative to Byrd). Is Byrd, the second coming of Cy Young? Nah, but he did a decent job of keeping Toronto off the board and he deserves some credit for that.

      BTW, Byrd’s explanation for his HGH was high comedy. It was like a sketch straight outta vintage SNL/ Monty Python. He not only need oral surgeon BUT certainly a lobotomy after that lame excuse he spit out.

    24. Evan3457
      September 1st, 2009 | 12:36 am

      butchie22 wrote:

      The Blackbirds can’t get no respect ’round here unh? Tresh, the Os were never in contention to begin with ,so thanks for the info! LOL Tresh, Mac Phail is going through a rebuilding program with them ,which seems to be better than what they had done before. Yeah, they suck now, but with a guy like MacPhail guiding them , within the game they aren’t a “laughing stock” per se. Though, if Angelos still ran things(the Anti-Steinbrenner) they would be worse than atrocious…..

      Funny how this morning someone talked about the model for the Mets rebuild are Phail’s Os of all things. I don’t know how far Los Metropolitanos should rebuild BUT they should do something .

      If the O’s get lucky at all with their young pitching, and find a real shortstop, they’ll be in a 4 team scrum for playoff spots with the Yanks, Rays and Red Sox.

      The latest tumbler to click into place for them is that Felix Pie may finally have figured out how to hit big league pitching.

      Now, if Tillman, Matusz and Arrieta pan out (at least 2 of them), they’ll close to where the Rays were last year by 2011.

      McPhail knows what he’s about.

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