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		<title>By: All Eyes On Jeter As He Closes In On Gehrig &#124; Bronx Baseball Daily</title>
		<link>http://waswatching.com/2009/09/06/jeter-dimaggio-whos-better/comment-page-1/#comment-246225</link>
		<dc:creator>All Eyes On Jeter As He Closes In On Gehrig &#124; Bronx Baseball Daily</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Dec 2009 02:37:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Was Watching wonders, who was the better “Yankee” Jeter or Joe DiMaggio. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: All Eyes On Jeter As He Closes In On Gehrig &#124; Bronx Baseball Daily</title>
		<link>http://waswatching.com/2009/09/06/jeter-dimaggio-whos-better/comment-page-1/#comment-230628</link>
		<dc:creator>All Eyes On Jeter As He Closes In On Gehrig &#124; Bronx Baseball Daily</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Sep 2009 16:02:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Was Watching wonders, who was the better &#8220;Yankee&#8221; Jeter or Joe DiMaggio. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Vogon Poet</title>
		<link>http://waswatching.com/2009/09/06/jeter-dimaggio-whos-better/comment-page-1/#comment-230493</link>
		<dc:creator>Vogon Poet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Sep 2009 13:19:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>According to Sean Smith&#039;s WAR database, this is what each player has done:

Player------WAR---WAR/700PA
DiMaggio----84-----7.6
Gehringer---81-----5.6
Mize----------70-----6.7
Jeter*---------69-----4.9

*Jeter&#039;s totals include Sean Smith&#039;s numbers for 1995-2008 and FanGraphs&#039; numbers for 2009.

Not even remotely close. Imagine how good DiMaggio would look if we credit him for his three years in the war and last year or two in San Francisco.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="comment-toolbar" style="text-align: right"><input type="button" value="Reply" onclick="CF_Reply('Vogon Poet');" /><input type="button" value="Quote" onclick="CF_Quote('co_230493','Vogon Poet');" /></div><span id="co_230493"><p>According to Sean Smith&#8217;s WAR database, this is what each player has done:</p>
<p>Player&#8212;&#8212;WAR&#8212;WAR/700PA<br />
DiMaggio&#8212;-84&#8212;&#8211;7.6<br />
Gehringer&#8212;81&#8212;&#8211;5.6<br />
Mize&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-70&#8212;&#8211;6.7<br />
Jeter*&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;69&#8212;&#8211;4.9</p>
<p>*Jeter&#8217;s totals include Sean Smith&#8217;s numbers for 1995-2008 and FanGraphs&#8217; numbers for 2009.</p>
<p>Not even remotely close. Imagine how good DiMaggio would look if we credit him for his three years in the war and last year or two in San Francisco.</p>
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		<title>By: The Bronx Block Interviews AJax</title>
		<link>http://waswatching.com/2009/09/06/jeter-dimaggio-whos-better/comment-page-1/#comment-230466</link>
		<dc:creator>The Bronx Block Interviews AJax</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Sep 2009 04:33:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] another interesting post from around the Yankees blogosphere, Steve Lombardi from Was Watching compares the careers of Joe DiMaggio and Derek Jeter. It&#8217;s an interesting look at the two (one future) Hall of [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Tresh Fan</title>
		<link>http://waswatching.com/2009/09/06/jeter-dimaggio-whos-better/comment-page-1/#comment-230465</link>
		<dc:creator>Tresh Fan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Sep 2009 04:30:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Raf, Joe D. was voted &quot;Greatest Living Ballplayer&quot; in the century poll in &#039;69.  Yes, he insisted he be called that, but it&#039;s a title he was awarded by others, not a claim he made for himself.

Steve, sorry but I can&#039;t see a leadoff batter or a #2 hitter being even considered for the title of &quot;Greatest Living Ballplayer&quot;----no, Ty Cobb batted 3rd and 4th nearly all his career.  Also if you transport Jeter back to 1936 you&#039;d have to make for a few allownaces (not considering race among them).  Namely:

***Derek Jeter stands 6&#039; 3&quot;, weighs 195-ish lbs, is fleet of foot and has a rifle arm.  In other words, he&#039;s a natural born outfielder.  Shortstop?  Sorry, Jeter has played OF all through highschool and all through semi pro and the minors, just like Joe D.

***Jeter won&#039;t be doing any real upper body conditioning, and not just because weight training is frowned upon (it supposedly makes you &quot;muscle bound&quot;).  Most of the &quot;technology&quot; doesn&#039;t exist---and besides Jeter wouldn&#039;t have the disposble cash to invest in it.  So deduct, say, 75% of Jeter&#039;s opposite field HRs.  If Jeter goes yard it&#039;s going to be from pulling the ball.  That being said, I believe it is still possible for Jeter to hit about 15 HRs a year if he makes the adjustments.

***Also, Derek Jeter is currently 35 and has 2,700+ career hits.  Let&#039;s change that to Derek Jeter is 35 and has 2,200 career hits.  He lost 3 years due to WWII.  Not that that matters.  3000 hits won&#039;t be targeted milestone until Stan Musial reaches that plateau a few years hence.

So all told I envision a CF-RF that will finish his career with a .320ish BA, about 200-250 HRs and about 2,700 hits.  Aw heck, let&#039;s throw in about 45 career SBs, too.  Let me even imagine him as a superlative fielder.  But even at that I doubt he wins any vote for &quot;Greatest Living Ballplayer.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="comment-toolbar" style="text-align: right"><input type="button" value="Reply" onclick="CF_Reply('Tresh Fan');" /><input type="button" value="Quote" onclick="CF_Quote('co_230465','Tresh Fan');" /></div><span id="co_230465"><p>Raf, Joe D. was voted &#8220;Greatest Living Ballplayer&#8221; in the century poll in &#8217;69.  Yes, he insisted he be called that, but it&#8217;s a title he was awarded by others, not a claim he made for himself.</p>
<p>Steve, sorry but I can&#8217;t see a leadoff batter or a #2 hitter being even considered for the title of &#8220;Greatest Living Ballplayer&#8221;&#8212;-no, Ty Cobb batted 3rd and 4th nearly all his career.  Also if you transport Jeter back to 1936 you&#8217;d have to make for a few allownaces (not considering race among them).  Namely:</p>
<p>***Derek Jeter stands 6&#8242; 3&#8243;, weighs 195-ish lbs, is fleet of foot and has a rifle arm.  In other words, he&#8217;s a natural born outfielder.  Shortstop?  Sorry, Jeter has played OF all through highschool and all through semi pro and the minors, just like Joe D.</p>
<p>***Jeter won&#8217;t be doing any real upper body conditioning, and not just because weight training is frowned upon (it supposedly makes you &#8220;muscle bound&#8221;).  Most of the &#8220;technology&#8221; doesn&#8217;t exist&#8212;and besides Jeter wouldn&#8217;t have the disposble cash to invest in it.  So deduct, say, 75% of Jeter&#8217;s opposite field HRs.  If Jeter goes yard it&#8217;s going to be from pulling the ball.  That being said, I believe it is still possible for Jeter to hit about 15 HRs a year if he makes the adjustments.</p>
<p>***Also, Derek Jeter is currently 35 and has 2,700+ career hits.  Let&#8217;s change that to Derek Jeter is 35 and has 2,200 career hits.  He lost 3 years due to WWII.  Not that that matters.  3000 hits won&#8217;t be targeted milestone until Stan Musial reaches that plateau a few years hence.</p>
<p>So all told I envision a CF-RF that will finish his career with a .320ish BA, about 200-250 HRs and about 2,700 hits.  Aw heck, let&#8217;s throw in about 45 career SBs, too.  Let me even imagine him as a superlative fielder.  But even at that I doubt he wins any vote for &#8220;Greatest Living Ballplayer.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Raf</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Sep 2009 02:43:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Tresh Fan&lt;/b&gt; wrote:
&lt;blockquote&gt;Interesting points. But somehow I don’t see Michael Kay standing at the mic at Old Timers’s Day circa 2029 and saying…
“Ladies and gentlemen, the Greatest Living Ballplayer, Derek Jeter.”&lt;/blockquote&gt;

What if Jeter insists that he be called that, like DiMag did...</description>
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<blockquote><p>Interesting points. But somehow I don’t see Michael Kay standing at the mic at Old Timers’s Day circa 2029 and saying…<br />
“Ladies and gentlemen, the Greatest Living Ballplayer, Derek Jeter.”</p></blockquote>
<p>What if Jeter insists that he be called that, like DiMag did&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Lombardi</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Sep 2009 23:39:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Tresh Fan&lt;/b&gt; wrote:
&lt;blockquote&gt;Interesting points. But somehow I don’t see Michael Kay standing at the mic at Old Timers’s Day circa 2029 and saying…
“Ladies and gentlemen, the Greatest Living Ballplayer, Derek Jeter.”&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Know what? Start Jeter&#039;s career in 1936 instead of 1996, let him do all the things that he&#039;s done, starting in &#039;36 instead of &#039;96, allow the media, etc., to glorify him the way they did ball players - esp. in NY - during the &#039;40&#039;s and &#039;50&#039;s, and, THEN, allow sportswriters and fans to vote in 1969 on the &quot;Greatest Living Player,&quot; and, well, Jeter just might win the vote. ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="comment-toolbar" style="text-align: right"><input type="button" value="Reply" onclick="CF_Reply('Steve Lombardi');" /><input type="button" value="Quote" onclick="CF_Quote('co_230461','Steve Lombardi');" /></div><span id="co_230461"><p><b>Tresh Fan</b> wrote:</p>
<blockquote><p>Interesting points. But somehow I don’t see Michael Kay standing at the mic at Old Timers’s Day circa 2029 and saying…<br />
“Ladies and gentlemen, the Greatest Living Ballplayer, Derek Jeter.”</p></blockquote>
<p>Know what? Start Jeter&#8217;s career in 1936 instead of 1996, let him do all the things that he&#8217;s done, starting in &#8217;36 instead of &#8217;96, allow the media, etc., to glorify him the way they did ball players &#8211; esp. in NY &#8211; during the &#8217;40&#8242;s and &#8217;50&#8242;s, and, THEN, allow sportswriters and fans to vote in 1969 on the &#8220;Greatest Living Player,&#8221; and, well, Jeter just might win the vote. <img src='http://waswatching.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: MOBoy</title>
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		<dc:creator>MOBoy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Sep 2009 22:09:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Man these Yankees blogs hero worship there players and prospects way too much.


Face it Joe D was better then Jeter will ever be.Mariano was better and more valueable then Jeter in the late 90&#039;s dynasty and Mark Texeria is better then him this year.


Like Brady he is a Hall of famer but he&#039;s a product of he&#039;s great all-time teams.You put Brady and Jeter on crappy teams and there not as immortal as you guys paint them out to be.Jeter is barely on the top 10 Yankees Players of all time..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="comment-toolbar" style="text-align: right"><input type="button" value="Reply" onclick="CF_Reply('MOBoy');" /><input type="button" value="Quote" onclick="CF_Quote('co_230458','MOBoy');" /></div><span id="co_230458"><p>Man these Yankees blogs hero worship there players and prospects way too much.</p>
<p>Face it Joe D was better then Jeter will ever be.Mariano was better and more valueable then Jeter in the late 90&#8242;s dynasty and Mark Texeria is better then him this year.</p>
<p>Like Brady he is a Hall of famer but he&#8217;s a product of he&#8217;s great all-time teams.You put Brady and Jeter on crappy teams and there not as immortal as you guys paint them out to be.Jeter is barely on the top 10 Yankees Players of all time..</p>
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		<title>By: Evan3457</title>
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		<dc:creator>Evan3457</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Sep 2009 21:14:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s DiMaggio. Not close, really. DiMaggio is still one of the 20 or 25 best players in history. Jeter isn&#039;t.

Jeter&#039;s still a first ballot Hall of Famer though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="comment-toolbar" style="text-align: right"><input type="button" value="Reply" onclick="CF_Reply('Evan3457');" /><input type="button" value="Quote" onclick="CF_Quote('co_230456','Evan3457');" /></div><span id="co_230456"><p>It&#8217;s DiMaggio. Not close, really. DiMaggio is still one of the 20 or 25 best players in history. Jeter isn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>Jeter&#8217;s still a first ballot Hall of Famer though.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeter vs. DiMaggio &#124; River Avenue Blues</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeter vs. DiMaggio &#124; River Avenue Blues</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] Steve Lombardi at Was Watching takes a crack at comparing Jeter to another all-time great Yankee &#8211; Joe DiMaggio &#8211; and [...]</description>
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