• Yanks, Bosox, Halos, Rangers…And O’s?…Want Chapman

    Posted by on September 24th, 2009 · Comments (24)

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    Cuban defector Aroldis Chapman is supposedly one of the two best pitchers in the world who is not in the majors (the other being Japan’s Yu Darvish). Now the 21-year-old is waiting in Andorra to find out when he becomes a free agent.

    The Baltimore Orioles supposedly had the inside track on getting this player but the team isn’t interested in getting involved in a bidding war, according to the Mid-Atlantic Sports Network. “If some of the big boys are going to go after him, like the Red Sox did with Dice-K, that’s not a risk that I would be willing to take,” O’s president of baseball operations Andy MacPhail.

    It’s looking like the Boston Red Sox, New York Yankees, Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim, and Texas Rangers are all ready to jump in on this when the bidding gets started. Rumor has it Chapman may be granted free agency before the postseason starts and he may sign a deal before the regular free agent signing period even gets started.

    No truth to the rumor that the Yankees only want to sign Aroldis Chapman if it can be confirmed, as fact, that he would require Tommy John Surgery somewhere between 6 and 18 months after he signed a contract with them…

    And, no truth to the rumor that the Yankees intend to make Champan follow their “Igawa Rules” which require all high-priced internationally signed pitchers to “work” in Triple-A for the majority of the time on their contract…

    Comments on Yanks, Bosox, Halos, Rangers…And O’s?…Want Chapman

    1. Corey
      September 24th, 2009 | 12:27 pm

      No truth to the rumor that the Yankees only want to sign Aroldis Chapman if it can be confirmed, as fact, that he would require Tommy John Surgery somewhere between 6 and 18 months after he signed a contract with them…

      And, no truth to the rumor that the Yankees intend to make Champan follow their “Igawa Rules” which require all high-priced internationally signed pitchers to “work” in Triple-A for the majority of the time on their contract…
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      lol

    2. YankCrank
      September 24th, 2009 | 12:47 pm

      Corey wrote:

      No truth to the rumor that the Yankees only want to sign Aroldis Chapman if it can be confirmed, as fact, that he would require Tommy John Surgery somewhere between 6 and 18 months after he signed a contract with them…

      And, no truth to the rumor that the Yankees intend to make Champan follow their “Igawa Rules” which require all high-priced internationally signed pitchers to “work” in Triple-A for the majority of the time on their contract…

      Lol, this was very funny.

    3. Evan3457
      September 24th, 2009 | 1:58 pm

      This is all very cute.

      The Red Sox want Chapman. Should the Yanks outbid the Sox to get him? Yes or no. Make the decision now.

      Don’t reevaluate it 3 years from now and call Cashman an idiot for signing him if he busts, or an idiot if he doesn’t sign him and he’s a wild success.

      Make the call now. Just like Cashman and those advising him.

    4. MJ
      September 24th, 2009 | 2:02 pm

      Evan3457 wrote:

      The Red Sox want Chapman. Should the Yanks outbid the Sox to get him? Yes or no. Make the decision now.
      Make the call now. Just like Cashman and those advising him.

      Yes. Worse thing that happens is it’s money down the drain. The Yanks can afford to take these kinds of gambles so they should do what they’ve got to do to get him signed.

      Conteras didn’t work out for us but at least it got Theo and Larry pissed off enough to trash a hotel room. That’s good enough for me.

    5. September 24th, 2009 | 2:14 pm
    6. MJ
      September 24th, 2009 | 2:21 pm

      @ Steve Lombardi:
      I totally forgot about this thread from 7/2/09.

      Immaturity can be outgrown. A chance to acquire premium talent doesn’t happen every day.

    7. Pat F
      September 24th, 2009 | 2:21 pm

      Evan3457 wrote:

      This is all very cute.

      The Red Sox want Chapman. Should the Yanks outbid the Sox to get him? Yes or no. Make the decision now.

      Don’t reevaluate it 3 years from now and call Cashman an idiot for signing him if he busts, or an idiot if he doesn’t sign him and he’s a wild success.

      Make the call now. Just like Cashman and those advising him.

      exactly, evan. and this is what you have to do with every potential acquisition. you can’t have it both ways, criticizing the team for every acquisition they make that fails and every one they don’t make that succeeds…unless you had the correct viewpoint at the time of the signing. hindsight is 20/20, and GMs don’t have that luxury like fans do. and either way, the reality is that some signings/trades/prospects just aren’t going to work out. it’s the nature of the game, for every team, every GM, and every manager. it’s really something you just have to accept. i don’t know why some fans have such a hard time with this and get so bent out of shape every time something doesn’t work out. thankfully for us, a lot work out too (and you definitely can’t just have it the way some want, that every big name player that works out is an “obvious” or “easy” signing….and then criticize the team for the big name players that don’t work out at the same time. i guess because they don’t work out they aren’t “obvious” or “easy”).

    8. September 24th, 2009 | 2:46 pm

      MJ wrote:

      Immaturity can be outgrown. A chance to acquire premium talent doesn’t happen every day.

      Premium? From Cuba? Really?

      http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/2675

    9. September 24th, 2009 | 2:50 pm

      Pat F wrote:

      exactly, evan. and this is what you have to do with every potential acquisition. you can’t have it both ways, criticizing the team for every acquisition they make that fails and every one they don’t make that succeeds…unless you had the correct viewpoint at the time of the signing. hindsight is 20/20, and GMs don’t have that luxury like fans do.

      No, of course not, in the world of the Telfon G.M. there’s never any blame…or accountability…or ownership…

      http://waswatching.com/2009/02/16/cashman-our-scouts-and-therefore-i-are-not-to-blame/

    10. MJ
      September 24th, 2009 | 2:58 pm

      Steve Lombardi wrote:

      Premium? From Cuba? Really?

      That makes no sense. You’re making a judgement on a player based on the fact that other Cuban-born pitchers since ’83 have sucked. You can’t judge a player’s potential based on the performances of other players.

      Not only is it totally ridiculous to judge a player based on the common ethnicity of others who have failed — would you never sign a pitcher born from Panama since Mo Rivera’s the only one worth a damn — but it’s an irresponsible act as a GM to exclude a player on those grounds.

      If Cashman said “well, all other Cuban-born pitchers suck so I won’t even waste the airfare” I’m pretty sure you’d rip him. I know I would. That would be the laziest act ever.

    11. Corey
      September 24th, 2009 | 3:02 pm

      El Duque sucked, and he was from Cuba right? Oh…wait…

    12. MJ
      September 24th, 2009 | 3:06 pm

      @ Corey:
      But even if he did suck, what difference would that make?

      I am just totally baffled by the point of view that says to rule out all Cuban-born pitchers going forward because people that share the same passport have sucked in the past.

      All it takes is finding one diamond among all the lumps of coal. Just ask the Mariners: they’ve got the best Japanese-born MLB player of all time and most of the rest of the big leagues wish they could return the Shinjos, Igawas, Ohkas and the like back to Japan. But the M’s would do it again in a heartbeat and that’s what’s important.

    13. Raf
      September 24th, 2009 | 3:12 pm

      I don’t care, I’ll still take a flyer on him. I hope the Yanks get him.

    14. Raf
      September 24th, 2009 | 3:14 pm

      And I still stand by my comments in the referenced threads. :D

    15. MJ
      September 24th, 2009 | 3:27 pm

      @ Raf:
      Exactly. Worse thing that happens is that he doesn’t pan out. Would the Yanks be much worse off for having tried and failed with this kid?

    16. September 24th, 2009 | 3:27 pm

      @ Corey:Duque was a proven pitcher – with years and years of experience. B.C. is not. Besides the ratio of success against failures of Cuban pitchers is still way, way, heavy on the failure side – even with Duque.

    17. September 24th, 2009 | 3:29 pm

      @ MJ: Re: Ichiro, it’s different with hitters and pitchers. Look at all the failed Japanese pitchers too. You can scout and project a hitter much easier than a pitcher. That’s why Cuban and Japanese pitchers are a suckers bet.

    18. September 24th, 2009 | 3:31 pm

      MJ wrote:

      Exactly. Worse thing that happens is that he doesn’t pan out. Would the Yanks be much worse off for having tried and failed with this kid?

      What happens? In the new Yankee world? It’s easy, the $50 million they spend on B.C. means you get Chad Gaudin and not Cliff Lee when it comes time to pick up a pitcher when you need it.

    19. Raf
      September 24th, 2009 | 3:35 pm

      @ Steve Lombardi:
      You mean “the ratio of success against failures of pitchers is still way, way, heavy on the failure side.”

    20. Corey
      September 24th, 2009 | 3:37 pm

      Raf wrote:

      And I still stand by my comments in the referenced threads. :D

      me too.
      Steve Lombardi wrote:

      :D uque was a proven pitcher – with years and years of experience. B.C. is not. Besides the ratio of success against failures of Cuban pitchers is still way, way, heavy on the failure side – even with Duque.

      I’m just agreeing with MJ that you can’t just say let’s not go after a guy cause he’s Cuban and a majority of other Cuban players have faltered. That’s like saying everyone from the Dominican is on steroids.

    21. Raf
      September 24th, 2009 | 3:37 pm

      Steve Lombardi wrote:

      MJ wrote:

      Exactly. Worse thing that happens is that he doesn’t pan out. Would the Yanks be much worse off for having tried and failed with this kid?
      What happens? In the new Yankee world? It’s easy, the $50 million they spend on B.C. means you get Chad Gaudin and not Cliff Lee when it comes time to pick up a pitcher when you need it.

      Wait, what?

      One has nothing to do with the other.

    22. MJ
      September 24th, 2009 | 3:42 pm

      Steve Lombardi wrote:

      What happens? In the new Yankee world? It’s easy, the $50 million they spend on B.C. means you get Chad Gaudin and not Cliff Lee when it comes time to pick up a pitcher when you need it.

      That’s a patently false statement. As every Yankee hater likes to point out, the Yanks committed to $500M this past winter so to say that the Yanks couldn’t get in on Cliff Lee this past July is disingenuous. They didn’t try to get Lee because (1) they didn’t feel like they needed him and (2) they didn’t have the talent in the farm system to match Philly’s package.

    23. MJ
      September 24th, 2009 | 3:45 pm

      Steve Lombardi wrote:

      @ MJ: Re: Ichiro, it’s different with hitters and pitchers. Look at all the failed Japanese pitchers too. You can scout and project a hitter much easier than a pitcher. That’s why Cuban and Japanese pitchers are a suckers bet.

      Of course it’s different with hitters and pitchers. But the point stands that just because Japanese hitters have flopped in the US (Tsuyoshi Shinjo, Kaz Matsui, So Taguchi, Tad Iguchi, etc.) doesn’t mean that trying to find the next Ichiro isn’t a worthwhile endeavor.

    24. butchie22
      September 24th, 2009 | 11:29 pm

      MJ wrote:

      Steve Lombardi wrote:
      What happens? In the new Yankee world? It’s easy, the $50 million they spend on B.C. means you get Chad Gaudin and not Cliff Lee when it comes time to pick up a pitcher when you need it.
      That’s a patently false statement. As every Yankee hater likes to point out, the Yanks committed to $500M this past winter so to say that the Yanks couldn’t get in on Cliff Lee this past July is disingenuous. They didn’t try to get Lee because (1) they didn’t feel like they needed him and (2) they didn’t have the talent in the farm system to match Philly’s package.

      Point Number 1 regarding Lee I get BUT Number 2? I know I criticize the Yankee farm system and its woefully inadequate archiect BUT Lee was the Philly’s plan B to Halladay. Quite frankly what Philly gave up for Lee wasn’t all that great. What they would have given up for Halladay would have been far more painful. The Yanks could have matched that package BUT they would have had to pay the Yankee trading tax:give up better prospects because you are the big bad Yankees AKA the Evil Empire.

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