• WasWatching.com Water Cooler Talk 10/1/09

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    1. MJ
      October 1st, 2009 | 9:01 am

      So much for #62 using the good game against Boston as a springboard. Fortunately the ALDS only requires three pitchers (CC, AJ & Andy). If the Yanks make it to the ALCS, my vote is for Chad Gaudin. He’s got nowhere near the upside as #62 but he seems to be pitching better and could probably provide 5 workmanlike innings.

      I have no idea what the future holds but, as far as I’m concerned, #62 is a lost cause in 2009.

    2. GDH
      October 1st, 2009 | 9:37 am

      thenewguy – welcome to the Bay Area. The only way to get the games here is to have Direct TV and buy the Extra Innings package. You’ll get all the games except the ones on Saturdays, when Fox has them all blacked out except the one they’re showing in this market, which is usually not the Yankees. Now that the regular season is over, all the games should be televised nationally. So you can save Direct TV for next year

    3. October 1st, 2009 | 9:47 am

      Anyone else channeling their inner Brian Bruney this AM, thinking of K-Rod, and saying that it couldn’t have happened to a nicer guy?

    4. Corey
      October 1st, 2009 | 9:55 am
    5. MJ
      October 1st, 2009 | 9:59 am

      Steve Lombardi wrote:

      Anyone else channeling their inner Brian Bruney this AM, thinking of K-Rod, and saying that it couldn’t have happened to a nicer guy?

      I hadn’t even thought of that Bruney/K-Rod connection until you just said it. I was just happy that the Mets lost another miserable game and that their over-rated, over-paid and over-animated “ace” closer was the culprit this time.

      Seriously, as the decade of the ’00′s draws to a close for everyone, between Benitez, Wagner and now K-Rod, have the Mets EVER had a guy in the 9th that you could completely trust?

    6. MJ
      October 1st, 2009 | 10:08 am

      @ Corey:
      Very cool indeed. Gives a nice breakdown of the cat and mouse game that takes place between pitcher vs. hitter vs. catcher vs. baserunner.

    7. Corey
      October 1st, 2009 | 10:23 am

      MJ wrote:

      Seriously, as the decade of the ’00’s draws to a close for everyone, between Benitez, Wagner and now K-Rod, have the Mets EVER had a guy in the 9th that you could completely trust?

      outside of Mo and Nathan is there any closer that you completely trust?

    8. MJ
      October 1st, 2009 | 10:37 am

      Corey wrote:

      outside of Mo and Nathan is there any closer that you completely trust?

      Among current closers, much as I hate him, I still trust Papelbon. Also, they’ve never been battle tested in October but I really like Andrew Bailey (OAK), Joakim Soria (KC) and Jonathan Broxton (LA).

      I’m drawing a blank on who else I’d add to the list over the course of the decade that the Mets have been struggling with their 9th inning role.

    9. Corey
      October 1st, 2009 | 10:41 am

      If I was a red sox fan, I’d get nervous every time Papelbon comes in to face the Yanks..since I’m not really nervous when I see him come into the game. I haven’t seen Broxton enough to say anything either way, but the other 2 will be battle tested soon enough..once their teams can no longer afford them.

    10. Raf
      October 1st, 2009 | 11:35 am

      MJ wrote:

      Seriously, as the decade of the ’00’s draws to a close for everyone, between Benitez, Wagner and now K-Rod, have the Mets EVER had a guy in the 9th that you could completely trust?

      They haven’t had one since Franco.

    11. MJ
      October 1st, 2009 | 11:48 am

      Raf wrote:

      They haven’t had one since Franco.

      Agreed, although perception-wise, he was a junkball type that lost the juice on his FB and managed to hang on. He never seemed like a lockdown type to me, even though chances are that he’s the best closer in Mets history (sad as that is).

    12. Garcia
      October 1st, 2009 | 12:46 pm

      Steve, there’s a positive story in today’s daily news on Cashman, will that be discussed?

    13. MJ
      October 1st, 2009 | 12:47 pm

      @ Garcia:
      LOL!

    14. October 1st, 2009 | 1:02 pm

      @ Garcia: Tune in tonight, after 9 pm ET

    15. October 1st, 2009 | 1:59 pm

      I donno if Steve had his wild thought post out for today…

      with conventional wisdom being Montero has no chance of sticking behind the plate… would it be a cool thing to ring up the Giants for Matt Cain.. we may have to pony up and add another solid prospect… but i can live with that… asour long term catching solution we have the Mauer route and the planned Romine route…

    16. MJ
      October 1st, 2009 | 2:08 pm

      @ srivinodh:
      I’m wary of NL pitchers at this point and wouldn’t trade Montero and another prospect for the privilege of finding out.

      Further, if Montero can’t stick behind home plate, you have to figure that his value decreases (if only marginally) since his biggest value is providing plus offense at the catcher position. The Giants already have a tremendous catching prospect in Buster Posey and it won’t be long before they have to move Pablo “Kung Fu Panda” Sandoval from 3B to 1B so Montero would have to become a LF. Not saying that’s impossible but if the Yanks want to trade Montero, I’d rather they get back Brett Anderson or Chris Tillman.

    17. Corey
      October 1st, 2009 | 2:12 pm

      srivinodh wrote:

      with conventional wisdom being Montero has no chance of sticking behind the plate… would it be a cool thing to ring up the Giants for Matt Cain..

      I was going to wait till the offseason for this, but I think the Yankees are setting it up so that Montero can come up and DH next year…it doesn’t make sense to have the dh spot open to give guys a rest, cause then you have a bench player in the lineup every day…I can understand spliting time between giving guys rest and having Montero DH, but I just can’t see them leaving it open like that for the whole year.

    18. Raf
      October 1st, 2009 | 2:12 pm

      @ srivinodh:
      I’d hold on to Montero. The Montero, Mauer and Romine routes can all go sideways at any time, so I’d rather hold off until the picture becomes a bit clearer.

      One of the unsung advantages of the Yankees organization is that they can be patient with prospects for as long as they want.

      As much as has been made of the farm system during the Stick-Watson years, what many don’t appreciate is that the Yanks brought in “proven veterans” via trade or FA, and as for the starting lineup, rotation and bullpen they actually made up the bulk of the teams from 1993 (their first year of contention) to 2009.

    19. MJ
      October 1st, 2009 | 2:20 pm

      Corey wrote:

      I was going to wait till the offseason for this, but I think the Yankees are setting it up so that Montero can come up and DH next year…

      I highly doubt that Montero is ready MLB duty right now. He tore up High-A and was off to a fast start at Double-A but he needs to earn his promotion and the Yanks shouldn’t just hand him the everday DH spot (and the 500+ AB’s that goes with that) without him spending at least another half season in the minors.

    20. MJ
      October 1st, 2009 | 2:25 pm

      @ Corey:
      Keep in mind that he’s only had the equivalent of 1.5 professional seasons and only turns 20 at the end of November. There’s absolutely no reason to rush him to the big leagues.

      Furthermore, I don’t see how the DH spot would be for a bench player in the lineup every day. Would you say that Hideki Matsui (the primary DH this year) is a bench player? He’s at .276/.369/.513 (129 OPS+) in 140 games this year. Hardly a bench player and there’s a very real possibility that the Yanks bring him back on a short, incentive-laden contract. He wants to stay and I don’t think he’d be happy in KC for more money…

    21. Raf
      October 1st, 2009 | 2:27 pm

      @ MJ:
      Yes, they’re going to be conservative with Montero. I’d be very surprised if he sees MLB action in ’10. I’d say he starts the year @ Trenton, then moves up to SWB.

    22. Corey
      October 1st, 2009 | 2:32 pm

      I didn’t say he’d get the job out of ST, for starters. Secondly, the general consensus is that Matsui is not coming back.

      =========
      Would you say that Hideki Matsui (the primary DH this year) is a bench player? He’s at .276/.369/.513 (129 OPS+) in 140 games this year. Hardly a bench player and there’s a very real possibility that the Yanks bring him back on a short, incentive-laden contract.
      ====
      no, I didn’t say that at all. Girardi has pretty much all but said Matsui isn’t coming back in the way he talks about how he envisions the DH spot being used next year.

    23. MJ
      October 1st, 2009 | 2:45 pm

      Corey wrote:

      Girardi has pretty much all but said Matsui isn’t coming back

      I don’t know if this is in Girardi’s control or not. If the Yanks think Matsui is worth 1Y/$9M, I have a hard time believing that Girardi’s grand designs on the DH spot will be taken into consideration. I think considering Matsui’s play this year, the Yanks will be hard-pressed to let him walk away without so much as a token offer to see if he’s willing to caddy the DH spot for one more year.

      @ Raf:
      Agree completely. I don’t see him in NYC before August of 2010 unless he (1) absolutely can’t be pitched to any longer in the minors or (2) something goes very, very wrong on the big league level and he’s needed ASAP. It’s more likely that scenario #1 happens but, even still, I am in complete agreement with you that Montero is more likely to appear in NYC in 2011.

    24. October 1st, 2009 | 5:54 pm

      @ MJ:

      True that… 2 rules 1) never trade with Braves (except the Texeira deal, you will get the wrong end of the stick) 2), never take the ERA from NL

      i forgot abt the Panda… the attraction with Cain is that he is young, his stuff is very good too… but with NL buyer beware

    25. October 1st, 2009 | 5:55 pm

      @ Corey:

      i think Montero will finish next season in AAA unless some injury bug hits Posada… i also think it wont be a bad idea to have Matsui back.

    26. October 1st, 2009 | 5:58 pm

      @ Raf:

      Always the issue with prospects… the worry is that whether the scouts think if he can develop his defensive skills or turns out to be a Travis Hafner… and if thats the case is it better to cash in now or later… but any plan can go kapoot like u say… it also depends how much the organisation likes Austin Romine…

    27. JeremyM
      October 1st, 2009 | 6:59 pm

      Here’s a question for everyone. Assuming the Yanks are going to be playing the Tigers, do you think that it’s better for them to face Verlander in game one when they can match aces, or do you think it’s better for them to fight to the finish and have to use Verlander in say game 3, presumably against Burnett or Pettitte, where the starter is less likely to match results with Verlander? Of course, if that was the case then Verlander would not be available for a potential game 4 or 5 and that easily tilts it the other way, but on the other hand, if CC outpitches Verlander in game 1, the matchups should favor the Yanks a tad.

      It’s probably residue from 2006, but I am not looking forward to meeting Detroit. On paper, the Yanks are way better, but we all know how that goes.

    28. MJ
      October 1st, 2009 | 7:12 pm

      JeremyM wrote:

      the matchups should favor the Yanks a tad.

      It’s probably residue from 2006, but I am not looking forward to meeting Detroit. On paper, the Yanks are way better, but we all know how that goes.

      The matchups favor the Yanks more than a tad. Edwin Jackson has fallen back to earth in the second half and Jarrod Washburn has been getting lit up like a billboard in Times Square since the Tigers traded for him.

      I agree that the Yanks should remember that they were the better team in 2006 and still lost but, on paper, the Yanks are far superior to Detroit again in 2009. Far superior.

    29. MJ
      October 1st, 2009 | 7:14 pm

      @ srivinodh:
      The Braves do an excellent job of not only scouting their own players but other teams’ players as well. I am not certain that new GM Frank Wren is as sharp as the departed John Schuerholtz but the Braves certainly know how to develop talent so if they’re dumping someone, one should at least consider all the reasons why.

      That being said, yes, 100%, the Teixeira trade was a total stinker for them both on buying high in ’07 and on selling low in ’08.

    30. JeremyM
      October 1st, 2009 | 10:14 pm

      I agree MJ, but let’s not pretend that Burnett has been anything but inconsistent and Pettitte has been good, but I still feel a tad nervous about him. I would rate Jackson and Burnett as a push (Burnett has been better of late, certainly) and would certainly give the edge for Pettitte over Washburn, but Detroit might go with Porcello, who has been about as good as Andy.

      Anyway, while the Yankees should certainly be favored, I don’t want to overlook the Tigers.

    31. MJ
      October 1st, 2009 | 10:58 pm

      JeremyM wrote:

      Anyway, while the Yankees should certainly be favored, I don’t want to overlook the Tigers.

      I agree that the Yanks shouldn’t overlook the Tigers but I don’t agree that Burnett/Jackson is a push nor do I agree that Pettitte and Porcello are about the same.

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