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		<title>By: Raf</title>
		<link>http://waswatching.com/2009/10/03/do-champs-hit-or-pitch/comment-page-1/#comment-235437</link>
		<dc:creator>Raf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 12:23:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Lee Sinins&lt;/b&gt; wrote:
&lt;blockquote&gt;One of the things we can do with the new encyclopedia is get a list of the annual leaders in team RSAA among postseason teams, to check out how often the best pitching staff wins in the postseason.

It’s happened just 4 times (1995 Braves, 2004 Red Sox,  2005 White Sox, 2007 Red Sox).&lt;/blockquote&gt;

4 times in 14 years...  So much for that theory

&lt;blockquote&gt;
We can also get the individual RSAA leader among players whose teams made it to the postseason, to test out how often the best pitcher on the postseason teams leads to a World Championship. 

Just 3 times since 1995 (1995 Maddux, 2001 Johnson, 2006 Carpenter).
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3 out of 14

Once again, this shows the randomness of the postseason, at least on the pitching side...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="comment-toolbar" style="text-align: right"><input type="button" value="Reply" onclick="CF_Reply('Raf');" /><input type="button" value="Quote" onclick="CF_Quote('co_235437','Raf');" /></div><span id="co_235437"><p><b>Lee Sinins</b> wrote:</p>
<blockquote><p>One of the things we can do with the new encyclopedia is get a list of the annual leaders in team RSAA among postseason teams, to check out how often the best pitching staff wins in the postseason.</p>
<p>It’s happened just 4 times (1995 Braves, 2004 Red Sox,  2005 White Sox, 2007 Red Sox).</p></blockquote>
<p>4 times in 14 years&#8230;  So much for that theory</p>
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We can also get the individual RSAA leader among players whose teams made it to the postseason, to test out how often the best pitcher on the postseason teams leads to a World Championship. </p>
<p>Just 3 times since 1995 (1995 Maddux, 2001 Johnson, 2006 Carpenter).
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<p>3 out of 14</p>
<p>Once again, this shows the randomness of the postseason, at least on the pitching side&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Lee Sinins</title>
		<link>http://waswatching.com/2009/10/03/do-champs-hit-or-pitch/comment-page-1/#comment-235397</link>
		<dc:creator>Lee Sinins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 04:19:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know. You&#039;d have to check each year individually to determine that answer.</description>
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		<title>By: Steve Lombardi</title>
		<link>http://waswatching.com/2009/10/03/do-champs-hit-or-pitch/comment-page-1/#comment-235366</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Lombardi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 03:34:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;@ Lee Sinins&lt;/b&gt;:
How many of the last 14 World Champ teams finished in the top third of their league in team RSAA?</description>
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How many of the last 14 World Champ teams finished in the top third of their league in team RSAA?</p>
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		<title>By: Lee Sinins</title>
		<link>http://waswatching.com/2009/10/03/do-champs-hit-or-pitch/comment-page-1/#comment-235346</link>
		<dc:creator>Lee Sinins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 02:53:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of the things we can do with the new encyclopedia is get a list of the annual leaders in team RSAA among postseason teams, to check out how often the best pitching staff wins in the postseason.

1995--Braves                      134   
1996--Braves                      138   
1997--Braves                      160   
1998--Braves                      149   
1999--Red Sox                     166   
2000--Braves                       91   
2001--Braves                      129   
2002--Braves                      165   
2003--A&#039;s                          96   
2004--Red Sox                     118   
2005--White Sox                   143   
2006--Tigers                      106   
2007--Red Sox                     163   
2008--Cubs                         98   

It&#039;s happened just 4 times (1995 Braves, 2004 Red Sox,  2005 White Sox, 2007 Red Sox).

We can also get the individual RSAA leader among players whose teams made it to the postseason, to test out how often the best pitcher on the postseason teams leads to a World Championship. 

1995--Greg Maddux                  64   
1996--Ken Hill                     47   
1997--Randy Johnson                55   
1998--Greg Maddux                  55   
1999--Pedro Martinez               71   
2000--Greg Maddux                  45   
2001--Randy Johnson                59   
2002--Randy Johnson                62   
2003--Pedro Martinez               53   
2004--Johan Santana                54   
2005--Roger Clemens                53   
2006--Chris Carpenter              32   
2007--Brandon Webb                 44   
2008--C.C. Sabathia                37   

Just 3 times since 1995 (1995 Maddux, 2001 Johnson, 2006 Carpenter).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="comment-toolbar" style="text-align: right"><input type="button" value="Reply" onclick="CF_Reply('Lee Sinins');" /><input type="button" value="Quote" onclick="CF_Quote('co_235346','Lee Sinins');" /></div><span id="co_235346"><p>One of the things we can do with the new encyclopedia is get a list of the annual leaders in team RSAA among postseason teams, to check out how often the best pitching staff wins in the postseason.</p>
<p>1995&#8211;Braves                      134<br />
1996&#8211;Braves                      138<br />
1997&#8211;Braves                      160<br />
1998&#8211;Braves                      149<br />
1999&#8211;Red Sox                     166<br />
2000&#8211;Braves                       91<br />
2001&#8211;Braves                      129<br />
2002&#8211;Braves                      165<br />
2003&#8211;A&#8217;s                          96<br />
2004&#8211;Red Sox                     118<br />
2005&#8211;White Sox                   143<br />
2006&#8211;Tigers                      106<br />
2007&#8211;Red Sox                     163<br />
2008&#8211;Cubs                         98   </p>
<p>It&#8217;s happened just 4 times (1995 Braves, 2004 Red Sox,  2005 White Sox, 2007 Red Sox).</p>
<p>We can also get the individual RSAA leader among players whose teams made it to the postseason, to test out how often the best pitcher on the postseason teams leads to a World Championship. </p>
<p>1995&#8211;Greg Maddux                  64<br />
1996&#8211;Ken Hill                     47<br />
1997&#8211;Randy Johnson                55<br />
1998&#8211;Greg Maddux                  55<br />
1999&#8211;Pedro Martinez               71<br />
2000&#8211;Greg Maddux                  45<br />
2001&#8211;Randy Johnson                59<br />
2002&#8211;Randy Johnson                62<br />
2003&#8211;Pedro Martinez               53<br />
2004&#8211;Johan Santana                54<br />
2005&#8211;Roger Clemens                53<br />
2006&#8211;Chris Carpenter              32<br />
2007&#8211;Brandon Webb                 44<br />
2008&#8211;C.C. Sabathia                37   </p>
<p>Just 3 times since 1995 (1995 Maddux, 2001 Johnson, 2006 Carpenter).</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Lombardi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Lombardi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 01:30:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;@ Raf&lt;/b&gt;:
http://waswatching.com/2009/09/19/even-more-fun-with-the-complete-baseball-encyclopedia/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="comment-toolbar" style="text-align: right"><input type="button" value="Reply" onclick="CF_Reply('Steve Lombardi');" /><input type="button" value="Quote" onclick="CF_Quote('co_235300','Steve Lombardi');" /></div><span id="co_235300"><p><b>@ Raf</b>:<br />
<a href="http://waswatching.com/2009/09/19/even-more-fun-with-the-complete-baseball-encyclopedia/" rel="nofollow">http://waswatching.com/2009/09/19/even-more-fun-with-the-complete-baseball-encyclopedia/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Raf</title>
		<link>http://waswatching.com/2009/10/03/do-champs-hit-or-pitch/comment-page-1/#comment-235273</link>
		<dc:creator>Raf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 00:52:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does the CBE have that new feature you were talking about, postseason stuff or something?  Is this where you got your info from?</description>
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		<title>By: Steve Lombardi</title>
		<link>http://waswatching.com/2009/10/03/do-champs-hit-or-pitch/comment-page-1/#comment-235267</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Lombardi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 20:26:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mea culpa.  My bad on the stats.  I forgot to run the daily update on my CBE before I did the sort.  Here are the correct stats:

&lt;pre&gt;
ERA                             DIFF   PLAYER   LEAGUE   
1    Mariners                   0.56     3.90     4.46   
2    White Sox                  0.29     4.17     4.46   
3    A&#039;s                        0.17     4.29     4.46   
4    Yankees                    0.16     4.30     4.46   
5    Red Sox                    0.14     4.33     4.46   
6    Tigers                     0.11     4.35     4.46   
7    Rays                       0.09     4.37     4.46   
8    Rangers                    0.07     4.40     4.46   
9    Blue Jays                  0.00     4.46     4.46   
10   Angels                     -.02     4.48     4.46   
11   Twins                      -.05     4.51     4.46   
12   Royals                     -.29     4.76     4.46   
13   Indians                    -.52     4.98     4.46   
14   Orioles                    -.73     5.19     4.46   
&lt;/pre&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="comment-toolbar" style="text-align: right"><input type="button" value="Reply" onclick="CF_Reply('Steve Lombardi');" /><input type="button" value="Quote" onclick="CF_Quote('co_235267','Steve Lombardi');" /></div><span id="co_235267"><p>Mea culpa.  My bad on the stats.  I forgot to run the daily update on my CBE before I did the sort.  Here are the correct stats:</p>
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ERA                             DIFF   PLAYER   LEAGUE
1    Mariners                   0.56     3.90     4.46
2    White Sox                  0.29     4.17     4.46
3    A's                        0.17     4.29     4.46
4    Yankees                    0.16     4.30     4.46
5    Red Sox                    0.14     4.33     4.46
6    Tigers                     0.11     4.35     4.46
7    Rays                       0.09     4.37     4.46
8    Rangers                    0.07     4.40     4.46
9    Blue Jays                  0.00     4.46     4.46
10   Angels                     -.02     4.48     4.46
11   Twins                      -.05     4.51     4.46
12   Royals                     -.29     4.76     4.46
13   Indians                    -.52     4.98     4.46
14   Orioles                    -.73     5.19     4.46
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		<title>By: Evan3457</title>
		<link>http://waswatching.com/2009/10/03/do-champs-hit-or-pitch/comment-page-1/#comment-235256</link>
		<dc:creator>Evan3457</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 16:10:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, it&#039;s just as interesting that 3 of the 4 dynasty teams rank near the bottom of the plus side.

Really, +40 or 50 pitching runs is NOT that impressive for a championship team, as a RS-RA differential of 80-100, while indicative of a good team, is not usually indicative of a title-winning team. 

2008 Phils +119
2007 Red Sox +210
2006 Cards +19
2005 White Sox +96
2004 Red Sox +181
2003 Marlins +59
2002 Angels +207
2001 D&#039;backs +189
2000 Yankees +57
1999 Yankees +169
1998 Yankees +310
1997 Marlins +71
1996 Yankees +126

The median RS-RA differential of the last 13 title winners is the 1996 Yankees at +129; the average differential is +139. Of the 13 title winners, 9 were above +90, and 4 were below. Even after last night&#039;s rout, the current edition is +156.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="comment-toolbar" style="text-align: right"><input type="button" value="Reply" onclick="CF_Reply('Evan3457');" /><input type="button" value="Quote" onclick="CF_Quote('co_235256','Evan3457');" /></div><span id="co_235256"><p>Also, it&#8217;s just as interesting that 3 of the 4 dynasty teams rank near the bottom of the plus side.</p>
<p>Really, +40 or 50 pitching runs is NOT that impressive for a championship team, as a RS-RA differential of 80-100, while indicative of a good team, is not usually indicative of a title-winning team. </p>
<p>2008 Phils +119<br />
2007 Red Sox +210<br />
2006 Cards +19<br />
2005 White Sox +96<br />
2004 Red Sox +181<br />
2003 Marlins +59<br />
2002 Angels +207<br />
2001 D&#8217;backs +189<br />
2000 Yankees +57<br />
1999 Yankees +169<br />
1998 Yankees +310<br />
1997 Marlins +71<br />
1996 Yankees +126</p>
<p>The median RS-RA differential of the last 13 title winners is the 1996 Yankees at +129; the average differential is +139. Of the 13 title winners, 9 were above +90, and 4 were below. Even after last night&#8217;s rout, the current edition is +156.</p>
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		<title>By: Evan3457</title>
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		<dc:creator>Evan3457</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 15:35:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Steve Lombardi&lt;/b&gt; wrote:
&lt;blockquote&gt;@ Evan3457:

Up to date stats, AL, Team ERA vs. Lge Average ERA:
According to these, Yanks are look up at Tigers and Sox, no?

&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I&#039;m not sure why the Encyclopedia&#039;s stats are different from BR&#039;s, but they are.

ESPN has the same numbers as BR:
http://espn.go.com/mlb/stats/team/_/stat/pitching/year/2009/seasontype/2/league/al

So does Fangraphs:
http://www.fangraphs.com/teams.aspx?pos=all&amp;lg=al&amp;stats=pit&amp;type=0&amp;season=2009&amp;month=0

I think the Encyclopedia is showing ballpark adjusted ERA. In ERA+, the Yanks rank ahead of the Angels and Twins, and behind the Red Sox and Tigers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="comment-toolbar" style="text-align: right"><input type="button" value="Reply" onclick="CF_Reply('Evan3457');" /><input type="button" value="Quote" onclick="CF_Quote('co_235249','Evan3457');" /></div><span id="co_235249"><p><b>Steve Lombardi</b> wrote:</p>
<blockquote><p>@ Evan3457:</p>
<p>Up to date stats, AL, Team ERA vs. Lge Average ERA:<br />
According to these, Yanks are look up at Tigers and Sox, no?</p>
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<p>I&#8217;m not sure why the Encyclopedia&#8217;s stats are different from BR&#8217;s, but they are.</p>
<p>ESPN has the same numbers as BR:<br />
<a href="http://espn.go.com/mlb/stats/team/_/stat/pitching/year/2009/seasontype/2/league/al" rel="nofollow">http://espn.go.com/mlb/stats/team/_/stat/pitching/year/2009/seasontype/2/league/al</a></p>
<p>So does Fangraphs:<br />
<a href="http://www.fangraphs.com/teams.aspx?pos=all&#038;lg=al&#038;stats=pit&#038;type=0&#038;season=2009&#038;month=0" rel="nofollow">http://www.fangraphs.com/teams.aspx?pos=all&#038;lg=al&#038;stats=pit&#038;type=0&#038;season=2009&#038;month=0</a></p>
<p>I think the Encyclopedia is showing ballpark adjusted ERA. In ERA+, the Yanks rank ahead of the Angels and Twins, and behind the Red Sox and Tigers.</p>
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		<title>By: Corey</title>
		<link>http://waswatching.com/2009/10/03/do-champs-hit-or-pitch/comment-page-1/#comment-235247</link>
		<dc:creator>Corey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 15:29:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m assuming the difference is that Steve is taking the active roster&#039;s of the playoff teams and adding those players&#039; ERA&#039;s vs. taking the team ERA off of let&#039;s say B-R since those stats include pitchers who are no longer on the team. I couldn&#039;t find any data like that on B-R though.</description>
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