• Teixeira 2nd, Jeter 3rd In 2009 A.L. MVP Voting

    Posted by on November 23rd, 2009 · Comments (22)

    Joe Mauer won the award. Via the BWAA:

    Teixeira’s best previous finish in MVP voting was seventh in 2005 for the Texas Rangers. Jeter also finished third in 1998 and was the runner-up in 2006. Mauer, Teixeira, Jeter and Cabrera were named on every ballot.

    The Yankees have the highest number of MVP winners with 20. The finish by Teixeira marked the 21st time a Yankees player ran second. Other Yankees runners-up were Berra (1953, ’56), Jeter (2006), Mickey Mantle (1960, ’61, ’64), Joe DiMaggio (1937, ’48), Lou Gehrig (1931-32), Bill Dickey (1938), Phil Rizzuto (1949), Allie Reynolds (1952), Bob Turley (1958), Bobby Richardson (1962), Ron Guidry (1978), Reggie Jackson (1980), Don Mattingly (1986), Tino Martinez (1997) and Gary Sheffield (2004).

    What, no votes for Nick Swisher? (Yes, I’m just kidding.)

    Comments on Teixeira 2nd, Jeter 3rd In 2009 A.L. MVP Voting

    1. MJ
      November 23rd, 2009 | 3:18 pm

      The right guy won the MVP. I’m happy that the Yanks took home the silver and bronze.

      And, yes, Swisher deserved votes for MVP *AND* Cy Young.

    2. Pat F
      November 23rd, 2009 | 3:38 pm

      brian cashman is a terrible gm if he even looks at mauer like he might have interest next winter. they should have someone of mvp caliber ready to take over for posada from within. never mind that they likely have the money to sign mauer, and that part of what has made them such a consistently successful franchise is investing money made in ultra-talents like mauer, resulting in more winning, resulting in even more money made (which is a happy cycle for almost all of us yankees fans). no, can’t sign mauer, have to develop players that good from the inside every single year, and ignore the fact that we have money to spend that could improve the team.

    3. November 23rd, 2009 | 4:02 pm

      @ Pat F:

      In December 1996, if the Yankees had the choice to promote Jorge Posada to FT catcher or sign Mike Piazza as a free agent to a $100 million 5 year contract, which would have been the smarter GM move to make?

    4. MJ
      November 23rd, 2009 | 4:13 pm

      @ Steve Lombardi:
      December ’96? Are you sure? Girardi was the full-time catcher through the ’99 season so I think your time-line is a bit off here, with resepct to Posada.

      But that’s ultimately semantics. The larger point is that had the Yanks signed Piazza, there’s no reason to believe that he wouldn’t have performed exceptionally well. I don’t fully understand your point here. In trying to analyze the move, you’d have to present the opportunity cost of signing Piazza. Who would the Yanks have had to forego to fit Piazza into the payroll? Until you can answer that question, you haven’t proven anything by assuming that the Yanks won the World Series with Posada on the team because it was him and not Piazza.

      For the record, Piazza ranks as one of my 10-15 most hated ballplayers. I’m personally thrilled he was never on the Yanks. He disgusts me on so many levels.

    5. Pat F
      November 23rd, 2009 | 4:28 pm

      steve –

      first, i was kidding.

      second, if we are being serious, i think the important point can be made going off the example you just gave us (assuming it all matches up). of course you wish you could have a posada, a jeter, a rivera ready to go at every. but that is simply not plausibe. these are HOF-HOFish talents. but even if it was, why wouldn’t the yankees spend money if it’s there to spend in order to upgrade? cc sabathia has probably been the best pitcher in baseball across the last 3 seasons. mark teixeira might be the best first baseman in all of baseball. if everyone could just develop this from within, they would. but they can’t. our advantage is that we can go sign these guys, and not everybody else can. you seem to think there is something wrong with this. i just don’t see it. not only are they not breaking any rules, but they are doing what makes complete and absolute sense. use available resources to get the best players and field the best team. if developing everything from within was the best way to do this, then the yankees wouldn’t be the best team of the last 20 years, because there are teams operating that way. but instead the yankees have been the best team of that time period, doing it the way they do it. so your position that they “should have people available from within” instead of signing free agents is a non-starter, because it’s less effective to begin with when done with balance, as the yankee roster currently exhibits (FAs, trades, farm system).

    6. Pat F
      November 23rd, 2009 | 4:29 pm

      *maybe the best first baseman in baseball not named albert pujols (i meant to say american league above).

    7. November 23rd, 2009 | 4:31 pm

      @ MJ:
      Posada became a 400+ PA catcher in 1998.

      So, if you signed Piazza for 1997 and the four years that followed, then you would have blocked Posada from playing for you from 1998 thru 2001.

      Yes, you would have had Piazza and all his offsense for 1998-2001. But, at a cost of $80 million (after his $20 million in 1997).

      On the other hand, you could have had Posada, who was not stiff at the plate, for the following salaries:

      1998 $250,000
      1999 $350,000
      2000 $1,250,000
      2001 $4,050,000

      See, that’s the difference between a GM who has players in place to step in and play well compared to a GM who has to buy his players on the free agent market.

      Both get good players – but one has to spend $74 million more than he should have – if he was capable of building a team thru the farm system and good trades.

      Yes, there’s no right or wrong here. Both ways get you good players. It’s a matter of personal taste. And, IMHO, I’m more impressed with the GM who can do it and not have to spend gazillions to get it down. But, that’s just me. Your mileage may vary.

    8. MJ
      November 23rd, 2009 | 4:52 pm

      Steve Lombardi wrote:

      See, that’s the difference between a GM who has players in place to step in and play well compared to a GM who has to buy his players on the free agent market.

      Yep, that awful GM Cashman, he never develops players. Good thing he traded Cano, Hughes, Chamberlain and Cabrera for Johan Santana.

    9. Pat F
      November 23rd, 2009 | 5:11 pm

      @ Steve Lombardi:

      the issue is can you show me a GM that consistently develops players from within (saving his organization money) and wins at the pace the yankees do? as mj has pointed out above, the yankees have developed players as well. the difference is they also have the resources to go out and sign guys, so they do so. and that is probably why they win more than everybody else. i don’t think this theoretical gm that you are so impressed with exists. sure, there are guys out there that develop more because of the financial restrictions of their organization. but they also do a lot less winning than the yankees do. that is my issue with this whole “z423 miLlion!!1!!!” way of thinking. it produced results. which is the whole idea here. i’m not sold that your way of doing things would consistently produce the results the yankees are doing it their way.

    10. November 23rd, 2009 | 5:53 pm

      @ Pat F:

      The Twins have made the post-season 5 times in the last 8 years on a shoe-string, no?

    11. Evan3457
      November 23rd, 2009 | 6:06 pm

      Steve Lombardi wrote:

      What, no votes for Nick Swisher? (Yes, I’m just kidding.)

      Of the 108 AL hitters who played at least regularly or semi-regularly, Swisher was 37th in VORP (Baseball Prospectus) and 32nd in (marginal) Value, as calculated by Fangraphs.

      He was 8th on the Yankees in VORP, and 6th in Value.

      So Swisher was about the 35th most valuable player in the AL last season, and the 7th most valuable Yankee.

    12. Evan3457
      November 23rd, 2009 | 6:06 pm

      Steve Lombardi wrote:

      @ Pat F:

      The Twins have made the post-season 5 times in the last 8 years on a shoe-string, no?

      The Twins are not competing with the Red Sox, no?

    13. Evan3457
      November 23rd, 2009 | 6:07 pm

      Evan3457 wrote:.

      So Swisher was about the 35th most valuable player in the AL last season, and the 7th most valuable Yankee.

      Not counting pitchers, of course.

    14. Raf
      November 23rd, 2009 | 6:35 pm

      Steve Lombardi wrote:

      So, if you signed Piazza for 1997 and the four years that followed, then you would have blocked Posada from playing for you from 1998 thru 2001.

      That isn’t necessarily true. Posada would’ve backed up @ catcher like he did with Girardi, or he would’ve moved to a different position.

      The Yankees, more often than not have gone with the “proven veteran.” Even looking @ 96, it took Tony Fernandez’s broken elbow to get Jeter into the lineup. It took Bernie a couple of years before he was able to stick, what with the Yankee OF being crowded with Kelly, Hall, Tartabull & Barfield. Remember Pat Kelly playing 3b? Mike Lowell was ready, the Yankees extended Scott Brosius instead. Nick Johnson was ready, the Yanks signed Giambi instead.

    15. Raf
      November 23rd, 2009 | 6:43 pm

      Pat F wrote:

      i’m not sold that your way of doing things would consistently produce the results the yankees are doing it their way.

      It wouldn’t. Even with the previous run, guys like David Cone, Tino Martinez, Jeff Nelson, John Wetteland and Roger Clemens were added when the Jays and M’s and Expos were shedding salaries. And it bears mentions that veterans were already there, like O’Neill, Boggs, along with players that were developed like Mattingly

    16. Corey
      November 23rd, 2009 | 7:04 pm

      Pat F wrote:

      brian cashman is a terrible gm if he even looks at mauer like he might have interest next winter. they should have someone of mvp caliber ready to take over for posada from within.

      Jesus Montero is coming. (Let me get excited about something in the offseason, I know he did crappy in the winter league small sample size).

    17. YankCrank
      November 23rd, 2009 | 9:45 pm

      Anybody notice that A-Rod finished 10th in the voting, tied with Chone Figgins and three spots behind Jason Bay?

      Think writers hate the Yankees?

    18. Pat F
      November 24th, 2009 | 12:09 am

      @ Corey:

      i could not be more excited about montero. i just couldn’t mention him in order for my (joking) point to be made.

    19. clintfsu813
      November 24th, 2009 | 8:18 am

      I’m trying not to get too excited about Montero..just in case he doesnt pan out.

    20. MJ
      November 24th, 2009 | 8:58 am

      @ Corey:
      @ clintfsu813:
      I’ve got Montero’s bags packed and hope the Yanks trade him before he has to move off catcher and his value decreases by being just another decent stick at 1B/LF/DH.

    21. YankCrank
      November 24th, 2009 | 9:23 am

      MJ wrote:

      @ Corey:
      @ clintfsu813:
      I’ve got Montero’s bags packed and hope the Yanks trade him before he has to move off catcher and his value decreases by being just another decent stick at 1B/LF/DH.

      Agree 100%

    22. Corey
      November 24th, 2009 | 1:52 pm

      @ YankCrank:
      @ MJ:
      I think we should reserve judgement on Montero’s catching skills till we get an opportunity to see it ourselves, no? It’s not as if Posada is Pudge Rodriguez in his prime behind the plate…

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