• Burnett, Halladay & Who?

    Posted by on November 27th, 2009 · Comments (9)

    Here’s a fun list via Baseball-Reference.com’s Play Index Pitching Season Finder. It’s SP, who were age 31 in 2008 and (naturally) 32 in 2009, who had 30+ GS, 200+ IP, and and ERA+ >=100 in both seasons:

                                         
    Rk                   Yrs To From   Age
    1    A.J. Burnett     2 2008 2009 31-32
    2    Ryan Dempster    2 2008 2009 31-32
    3    Roy Halladay     2 2008 2009 31-32
    

    Actually, if you look at ERA+ for each of these seasons, A.J. Burnett has been the least effective of these three pitchers.

                                         
    Rk          Player ERA+ GS    IP Year Age  Tm
    1     Roy Halladay  155 32 239.0 2009  32 TOR
    2     Ryan Dempster 155 33 206.2 2008  31 CHC
    3     Roy Halladay  152 33 246.0 2008  31 TOR
    4     Ryan Dempster 123 31 200.0 2009  32 CHC
    5     A.J. Burnett  106 33 207.0 2009  32 NYY
    6     A.J. Burnett  104 34 221.1 2008  31 TOR
    

    When the Yankees signed Burnett, many in Yankeeland felt like this would be the second coming of Carl Pavano – given A.J.’s habit of landing on the disabled list in years passed. But, in 2009, he managed to avoid missing any starts. Will he do the same in 2010? If I had to guess, I would hope that he’ll be good for at least 27 starts next season – probably more. And, he’ll probably not be as good as Ryan Dempster or Roy Halladay. But, hey, Brian Cashman is only paying him $16,500,000 a season (which, by the way, is the 6th highest salary, to date, for any starting pitcher in the majors). So, what do you want from him? ;-)

    Comments on Burnett, Halladay & Who?

    1. Evan3457
      November 27th, 2009 | 12:44 pm

      Game 2 of the World Series; biggest win of the whole post-season. The only game the Yankees played behind in the series the whole post-season.

      Kept the Yankees from going to Philiadelphia down 2-0, which would have meant losing the World Series, in all likelihood.

      The team didn’t hit, that game, either. He pitched without the lead until his last inning. It was a tight pitcher’s duel, a high-pressure situation and a high-pressure game.

      But hey, if you can use A.J. Burnett to attack Cashman, go ahead and do it; never mind they don’t win anything this year without him, and there was nobody better on the market.

    2. Evan3457
      November 27th, 2009 | 12:52 pm

      Oh; and nobody serious thought he’d be a 2nd Pavano.

      His durability was questioned for that money and that length of contract, but he had started no fewer than 19 games in every season since 2004; Pavano didn’t have one season in his four years with the Yanks where he started more than 17, and in three of the four seasons he started 7 games or less.

      In 2005 and 2008, Burnett started more games than Pavano did over his entire time with the Yankees.
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      He won’t be as good as Halladay? Hmmm….he won’t be as good as the pitcher with the best track record as an ace in the league. There’s a shocking conclusion.

    3. OldYanksFan
      November 27th, 2009 | 9:16 pm

      Oooooooooooooooooh Steve… shame on you! Burnett bashing are we? Such a simple target. And on the Thanksgiving Halliday too!

      Nobody thought the Burnett contract was a great one.
      Everyone feared injury.
      Everyone thought 5 years was too long.

      But….
      We may have gotten the 2nd best SP on the market at the time. (And we also got the first.) Burnett may have been a necessary evil. 20% done, and so far it’s been OK. I’ll take it again next year with a bit of improvement. Keep the innings. Less walks please. Up the ERA+ to 110+.

      He’s a good #3 at #2 money.

    4. November 28th, 2009 | 9:37 am

      OldYanksFan wrote:

      He’s a good #3 at #2 money.

      Of course, the problem is, right now, on the Yankees, he’s being asked to be a #2 and he’s paid like a #1 for just about every other team in the bigs. ;-)

    5. Scout
      November 28th, 2009 | 10:26 am

      What do I want from him? Another world championship, just as I want from everyone else on the team. No more and no less.

    6. Raf
      November 28th, 2009 | 10:28 am

      For frame of reference;

      Santana, Johan $ 18,876,139, New York Mets
      Zambrano, Carlos $ 18,750,000, Chicago Cubs
      Zito, Barry $ 18,500,000, San Francisco Giants
      Burnett, A.J. $ 16,500,000, New York Yankees
      Hudson, Tim $ 15,500,000, Atlanta Braves
      Sabathia, CC $ 15,285,714, New York Yankees
      Schmidt, Jason $ 15,217,401, Los Angeles Dodgers
      Lowe, Derek $ 15,000,000, Atlanta Braves

    7. Corey
      November 28th, 2009 | 10:31 am

      @ Raf:
      Imagine if we had Lowe for that price? Steve would have a field day.

    8. Corey
      November 28th, 2009 | 10:32 am

      Raf wrote:

      For frame of reference;
      Santana, Johan $ 18,876,139, New York Mets
      Zambrano, Carlos $ 18,750,000, Chicago Cubs
      Zito, Barry $ 18,500,000, San Francisco Giants
      Burnett, A.J. $ 16,500,000, New York Yankees
      Hudson, Tim $ 15,500,000, Atlanta Braves
      Sabathia, CC $ 15,285,714, New York Yankees
      Schmidt, Jason $ 15,217,401, Los Angeles Dodgers
      Lowe, Derek $ 15,000,000, Atlanta Braves

      Also, CC is on top of that list. I count huge bonus’ as part of their yearly pay, and that brought him to 23 IIRC.

    9. Raf
      November 28th, 2009 | 10:36 am

      2006 Toronto Blue Jays $2,200,000
      2007 Toronto Blue Jays $13,200,000
      2008 Toronto Blue Jays $13,200,000
      2009 New York Yankees $16,500,000

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