5 world seires in 13 years yea i can see how u can hate the guy. and the span were they didnt win i think was george’s fault he wouldnt listen to cashman and forced him to sign guys like pavano and kevin brown and giambi.

I think at this point if Steve gets an opportunity to say anything bad about Cashman he will. He just doesn’t like the guy.

michael fierman wrote:

you know i read your stuff everyday with my RSS reader – i never have commented before. I like your style, i find what you have to say more interesting then most in the ever growing avalanche of blogs tweets and punditry but you know i must finally say that your endless carping and complaining about brian cashman is making you sound ridiculous.

amen to that.
steve,
like i said in another thread you always so pessimistic. lets remember joba is 24 (and we won a ws with him in the rotation pretty much the whole regular season) phil hughes is 23. johan and halladay were bout 25 when they were pitching 200 innings and making a signifcant impact in baseball,which i think joba will do this yr. give these kids a chance to learn how to pitch on the major league level dont be so quick to just ride them off and ship em out. in know this is a oxymoron but be a patient yankee fan for once.

@ Raf:
To be fair, the Unit was already living in an old folk’s home when they got him.

But, since the Cashman and the Yankees were willing to spend a half-billion dollars last year on Sabathia, Burnett and Teixeira, you can’t say that the Yankees M.O. is all about building from within and saving money on salaries.

No one has said that. The Yankees were never about building from within.

There’s a great chance that Johan Santana and Roy Halladay are heading to Cooperstown someday…as they are that good. Chamberlain and Hughes? Well, they’re still a looooooong way from heading to Cooperstown….and a quite a ways, yet, still, from being established and trust-worthy starting pitchers, period.

There’s a great chance that Randy Johnson will be heading to Cooperstown someday, how’d that work out?

Steve Lombardi wrote:

But, since the Cashman and the Yankees were willing to spend a half-billion dollars last year on Sabathia, Burnett and Teixeira, you can’t say that the Yankees M.O. is all about building from within and saving money on salaries.

I don’t think Cashman has ever identified the Yankees M.O. as being “all about building from within” or “saving money.” I think Cashman has always been very open about using the club’s clear financial advantage whenever a sensible opportunity to do so presented itself, as it did with Sabathia’s and Teixeira’s availability via free agency last year. Additionally, I think Cashman has always been very open about using his minor league assets in trades when it made sense but also keeping them as a means to improve his team’s flexibility.

Cashman never wanted to participate in a “double-taxation” situation such as the one that trading for Johan Santana represented. His desire to keep Chamberlain or Hughes wasn’t borne out of a desire to keep costs low but to avoid paying twice for an asset when a reasonable fascimile would be available via free agency the following year. The Halladay trade market followed that tact to a tee.

Whether you agree with the decision to skip out on the Santana/Halladay trades is a separate question but you have to understand his motivations and your quote indicates to me that you have misinterpreted Cashman’s M.O.

Steve, Heyman is an idiot half of the time. The Blue Jays during Riccirdi’s(retardis) and Anthopoulos’(Doogie Howser Part Deux) were NEVER going to trade to the Yankees OR the REd Sox. I go to Toronto on business a lot during the year and their fanbase would have stage a revolt if such a thing happened. Giving the face of their franchise to the despised REd Sox OR the Yankees was not a possibility. It was hype from Yankee shills like Heyman, who along with a dope like Ken Rosenthal gets it right only half the time. IN addition, remember when the Jays rejected that insane Red Sox offer this past summer? The Yanks weren’t going to best that by any means, so where is all this bullshit coming out about Joba and Hughes? It’s a huge F^&*(*)G lie, that’s what it is. It’s right up there with the Reyes for Halladay horse dung The Red Sox and the Yankees only had a bloody chance IF they gave up literally half of their farms THEN possibly they had a small chance. we saw what the Jays rejected when the REd Sox offered a gaggle of their best youth. Even then the cost was too high.

Steve, no one despises Cash Man more than I do BUT this Halladay business is all hogwash. I don’t understand how delusion Yankee and Red Sox were in obtaining Halladay’s services. The pipe dreams were absolutely comical on getting Doc. LIsten: Doc wanted to go to Philly, the Jays wanted their prospects they got the virtually same package they wanted this past summer and the owners, The Rogers, heard the wrath of the fans in the summertime and the trade was called off for the time being.

this is also a perfect example of how you can just play both sides if you choose. is it unreasonable to assume, following this blog, that if we had traded for santana, and presumably not won the world series, steve would be complaining in this space about trading for a guy on the backside of his career who only threw 166.2 innings and had to have season ending surgery 2 years into a 6 year deal for over $20 mil per? i don’t think it’s out of the question. knowing what we know now, passing on santana was clearly the correct move. but yet in this space it is sill being presented as if it is potentially part of a “posterchild” move for bad pitching decisions. you can try to spin anything, but it doesn’t always work. it doesn’t work here.

Pat F wrote:

For what it’s worth, sam borden reports at lohud that the blue jays were charging a premium within the division.

Off topic but, anyone else not a fan of Borden? I think he’s pretty bad…

I don’t think it was Hughes ot Chamberlain, it was the DOUBLE DIPPING. Having to part with half your farm system and then paying for the extension. (How did that work for the Mets?)

Plus a team needs to develop its own pitching. The free agent money being thrown at pitchers is nuts. And continues to rise. It was a perfect storm last offseason because the Yanks had so much coming off the payroll available for CC, AJ and Tex.