• Yanks Wary Of Tail Between The Legs Syndrome?

    Posted by on December 20th, 2009 · Comments (16)

    You don’t have to look hard these days to find a report that says Brian Cashman is concerned about the the mind/spirit of a player accepting a paycut in order to come back and play for their former team. Some say this is why he did not bring back Bobby Abreu last season and this is why you won’t see Johnny Damon come back to the Bronx in 2010.

    I wonder if this all goes back to when Bernie Williams made $12.3 million in 2005 and then came back for just $1.5 million in 2006?

    Then again, look at Andy Pettitte last season. He made $16 million in 2008 and then signed for $5.5 million to play this year – albeit loaded with incentives.

    I understand the thinking here. No one, no matter what the business, wants to go back to their former employer and take a paycut in the process. That’s human nature. But, that said, you also have to be aware of the job market, etc.

    It will be interesting to see if this “issue” comes into play when Derek Jeter’s contract is up…but I have a feeling that will be a whole different ballgame, more likely than not…

    Comments on Yanks Wary Of Tail Between The Legs Syndrome?

    1. clintfsu813
      December 20th, 2009 | 10:29 am

      This is professional sports..you (rarely) get better as you get older. Johnny needed to shed some pride, take a pay cut and come back to a definite playoff team. Now hes lucky to get on with a contender.

    2. GDH
      December 20th, 2009 | 11:08 am

      He should have realized that Boras was asking too much and given him the direction to make sure he stays a Yankee, if that’s what he really wanted. As it turns out, Boras is just a bulldog – can’t really fault a bulldog for being a bulldog. Ultimately, Boras is working for Damon, who did the same thing to the Red Sox. Key difference being he was in a much stronger negotiating position then, being 4 years younger and coming off a WS win in which he played a huge role. (And his defense was declining even then). This time around it’s Damon’s bad – but everyone lost a little here, which is a shame.

    3. YankCrank
      December 20th, 2009 | 11:20 am

      You don’t have to look hard these days to find a report that says Brian Cashman is concerned about the the mind/spirit of a player accepting a paycut in order to come back and play for their former team. Some say this is why he did not bring back Bobby Abreu last season and this is why you won’t see Johnny Damon come back to the Bronx in 2010.
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      Sure, some could say that. But it’s far more simple than that. Both players were asking for far more money than what their declining game translates to. No emotion, just simple economics. If the Yankees really, in the bottom of their hearts, wanted Johnny Damon back that badly they probably would have offered him arbitration. But for fear of him accepting and making anywhere from $13-$15 million, they didn’t offer it and really showed where they stand with Johnny this offseason. That is, they were very prepared to move on without him.

      Bobby Abreu was not worth $16 million, it took him four months to find $5 million. Johnny Damon is not worth $13 million and we’ll see where he ends up at what figure.

    4. Raf
      December 20th, 2009 | 11:29 am

      Damon’s situation is one of a botched negotiation. He should’ve seen the writing on the wall after the Yanks acquired Granderson. He then should’ve seen the writing a bit clearer when Matsui signed with the Angels.

      For the 2nd consecutive year, teams have shown that they’re not going to pay premium prices for a good hit/poor fielding outfielder.

    5. YankCrank
      December 20th, 2009 | 11:43 am

      For the 2nd consecutive year, teams have shown that they’re not going to pay premium prices for a good hit/poor fielding outfielder.
      ——-

      Boom.

    6. GDH
      December 20th, 2009 | 11:52 am

      Damon’s situation is one of a botched negotiation.
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      Yes, although the big mistake was starting where he did (given this market) with “don’t even bother if it’s not 3 years $36 million.” From there the market developed faster than expected with us getting Granderson at winter meetings, and then Matsui signing. He wanted to come down, but started too high and mighty to do so quickly and save face. He/they badly misjudged the market from the start.

    7. ken
      December 20th, 2009 | 5:27 pm

      Either:

      1- Cashman overplayed his hand and got a result that he didn’t really want: that is, talk tough with Scott Boras and lose the player over a pissing match, or:

      2- He never really wanted Damon back from the start, in which case he discounts the ‘intangibles’ that Johnny brings.

      I’m really not sure which is the case.

    8. butchie22
      December 20th, 2009 | 7:04 pm

      Steve ,it’s a matter of pride for the player. Damon was integral to the Yanks winning a world series and getting there, he wants to be compensated properly. His carnival barker agent, Scott” Here’s MY Client’s Phone Book of Obscure and worthless Stats” Boras can hype him all he wants. No skewed and twisted views of Fangraphs and stats can confirm this one fact: Damon is older. He’s good but he’s getting older. For the Yanks, it’s better to get rid of soemone one yera early rather one year later.

    9. 77yankees
      December 20th, 2009 | 8:10 pm

      Just a note: Damon is hosting WWE Raw tomorrow night from Tampa…..gotta make up all that money Boras just cost him, eh?

    10. Raf
      December 21st, 2009 | 1:03 am

      I don’t think Cashman overplayed his hand. He traded for Granderson, who is essentially Damon’s replacement.

    11. MJ
      December 21st, 2009 | 9:16 am

      I don’t think Cashman overplayed his hand. He traded for Granderson, who is essentially Damon’s replacement.
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      I don’t think Cashman overplayed his hand either. I just think he flat-out screwed up by letting Damon walk. I truly don’t understand why Cashman thinks the Yanks are better off without him.

      Also, WTF happened to the “Reply” and “Quote” buttons? Buried under the snow and I can’t see ‘em?

    12. December 21st, 2009 | 9:54 am

      MJ – let me look into the buttons thing – thanks

    13. MJ
      December 21st, 2009 | 10:06 am

      @ Steve Lombardi:
      LOL – They’re back! I guess someone paid the neighborhood kids $5 to dig ‘em out.

    14. MJ
      December 21st, 2009 | 10:10 am

      Back to the topic: I find the notion that a team wouldn’t bring a player back on favorable contract terms for fear that that player’s spirit wasn’t in the right place due to the humbling pay-cut utterly preposterous. If that’s how Cashman thinks, he’s an effing dummy.

      Think about it: Damon wanted $X and the Yanks only wanted him at $Y. Had Damon accepted Y, it would’ve represented a pay-cut. If the Yanks were so worried about it, why would they offer him $Y anyway?

      This is Cashman leaking a dumb-ass excuse to make himself look better for having painted himself into a corner. I find it unforgivable that the Yanks would turn Damon down at 2Y/$20M when he’d make the ballclub so much better.

    15. Raf
      December 21st, 2009 | 10:59 am

      Damon, not Cashman has painted himself in a corner.

    16. MJ
      December 21st, 2009 | 11:13 am

      @ Raf:
      They both did.

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