• Braves Interested In Swisher (Or Damon)?

    Posted by on December 21st, 2009 · Comments (32)

    Via Ken Rosenthal through Talking Chop -

    The Braves have talked to the Marlins about [Dan] Uggla, but one source describes Atlanta’s interest as only “mild.” A trade for the Yankees’ Nick Swisher or the signing of free-agent left fielder Johnny Damon might be preferable to the Braves.

    What was it that Sweet Sensation said? Oh, yeah, that’s right…take it while it’s hot!

    If the Braves want Swish, how about flipping him for Derek Lowe? (And, then sign Damon to play left and take Swisher’s spot in the line-up.)

    Comments on Braves Interested In Swisher (Or Damon)?

    1. December 21st, 2009 | 6:16 pm

      Have u seen Lowe’s contract.. not all that economical to put it mildly.. i dont understand didnt we just win the whole thing, why not sign up Duch or Sheets and let them rehab build up arm strength and in the meantime let Phil/Joba get the innings in as starters… Dont want nothing to do with Lowe… I donno if u want Damon at a discount price either.. he can certainly be an unhappy camper.. he has displayed that behavior before.. infact he was in depression when Torre was here too.. i think its time to move on.. good decision not resigning Matsui or Damon.. maybe not the best decision to replace them with NJ and Curtis.. but if he hit like we are supposed to the dropp off wont be drastic… And remember the golden rule. the Braves always sell ‘unsellables’ when has the party that traded anything with Bravescomeoff well .. maybe Texaswith Teixeira.. beware

    2. December 21st, 2009 | 6:17 pm

      Sorry about the typos and lack of spaces.. my office keyboard is broke…

    3. Corey
      December 21st, 2009 | 6:36 pm

      Dude. You realize Lowe got lit up in the NL(!) EAST(!!!).

    4. Corey
      December 21st, 2009 | 6:39 pm

      That trade would absolutely make 0 sense in any way. I honestly don’t believe you truly would want this and are just pushing an argument to generate read interest. I give you more credit than this.

    5. YankCrank
      December 21st, 2009 | 6:42 pm

      Yes, sign me up.

      Let’s replace a young, cost-controlled, switch-hitting, powerful, league-average defensively outfielder (who can play all 3 outfield spots if needed and 1b) entering his prime for an older, well-below league average defensive outfielder (or strictly DH) who will fall off the production cliff at any moment…and then take a pitcher in his late 30s who wasn’t overly impressive in the NL East along with his bloated contract.

      You must really like Johnny Damon for this scenario to make sense to you.

    6. Corey
      December 21st, 2009 | 6:45 pm

      YankCrank wrote:

      You must really like Johnny Damon for this scenario to make sense to you.

      I think I vomited in my mouth a little.

      Seriously, if it’s anything, he hates Swisher.

    7. yanksofny
      December 21st, 2009 | 6:55 pm

      2009 season:
      innings pitched went down by almost 20
      hits went up almost 40
      ER went up 25
      BB went up almost 20
      strike outs came down almost 30
      whip up .4
      H/9 up 2.5

      all this for a guy who has 3 years, 45 million on his deal? yeah i’ll pass

    8. Evan3457
      December 21st, 2009 | 7:16 pm

      If it was for a good pitcher, like Javier Vazquez… ;)

    9. Corey
      December 21st, 2009 | 7:17 pm

      Evan3457 wrote:

      If it was for a good pitcher, like Javier Vazquez…

      Ya know, I’d seriously have to consider that.

    10. Corey
      December 21st, 2009 | 7:19 pm

      Corey wrote:

      Javier Vazquez

      Not that they would, though.

    11. YankCrank
      December 21st, 2009 | 8:14 pm

      Corey wrote:

      That trade would absolutely make 0 sense in any way. I honestly don’t believe you truly would want this and are just pushing an argument to generate read interest. I give you more credit than this.

      I take the bait, every time ;)

    12. YankCrank
      December 21st, 2009 | 8:20 pm

      Just for argument sake, here’s Swish and Damon’s numbers from 2007-2009, and keep in mind that Swisher’s epically-terrible 2008 is included in his numbers:

      Johnny Damon
      .285/.364/.449 (114+), -5.5 OF UZR

      Nick Swisher
      .244/.362/.454 (116+), +3.1 OF UZR

      Numbers are very close, but you have to put into consideration that Swisher is younger and a better bet to continue these numbers seeing as he’s entering his prime and Damon is putting more and more years behind his. Then you consider Swish can fill in any outfield position if needed, as well as 1B and DH, and he’s a pretty damn valuable player for the Yankees.

      If anyone out there truly does believe trading Swisher in order to make room for Johnny Damon is a good idea i’d really like to hear why.

    13. Corey
      December 21st, 2009 | 8:34 pm

      YankCrank wrote:

      If anyone out there truly does believe trading Swisher in order to make room for Johnny Damon is a good idea i’d really like to hear why.

      Got no argument from me. ;)

    14. December 21st, 2009 | 9:17 pm

      Corey wrote:

      That trade would absolutely make 0 sense in any way.

      If you think that:

      A. Now that the clock has struck midnight Swisher is going to turn back into a pumpkin in 2010, and

      B. The Yankees are playing with fire counting on Burnett to be a number 2, and Pettitte a number 3, with no one behind them in the rotation besides Hughes and Chamberlain, then…

      the deal makes a lot of sense.

    15. December 21st, 2009 | 9:18 pm

      YankCrank wrote:

      If anyone out there truly does believe trading Swisher in order to make room for Johnny Damon is a good idea i’d really like to hear why.

      It’s Swisher in exchange for Damon AND Derek Lowe. Not just one for another.

    16. December 21st, 2009 | 9:20 pm

      srivinodh wrote:

      Have u seen Lowe’s contract.. not all that economical to put it mildly..

      We’re Yankees fans. Money is no object. We don’t care about our team payroll. It means nothing to us if our players are overpaid. Really, our GM spends the most money in the majors – and we’re eff’ing hey proud of it.

      If you don’t believe that, read the zillion comments that are left here by readers telling me that. ;-)

    17. Corey
      December 21st, 2009 | 9:28 pm

      Steve Lombardi wrote:

      es fans. Money is no object. We don’t care about our team payroll. It means nothing to us if our players are overpaid. Really, our GM spends the most money in the majors – and we’re eff’ing he

      I am just left with my jaw open. Are you high?

    18. Corey
      December 21st, 2009 | 9:30 pm

      @ Corey:
      To elaborate, how could you possibly complain about the money wasted on CC, AJ, and Tex and then in the same breath want to pay for Lowe. At least within the past 2 years Cashman has paid for good talent. You guys wanna kick the tires on Jamey Moyer? I heard the Phils don’t want him anymore, either.

    19. Corey
      December 21st, 2009 | 9:31 pm

      Corey wrote:

      Jamey Moyer

      We could trade Granderson for him. (please know that i am being sarcastic with this.)

    20. YankCrank
      December 21st, 2009 | 9:33 pm

      Steve Lombardi wrote:

      Corey wrote:
      That trade would absolutely make 0 sense in any way.
      If you think that:
      A. Now that the clock has struck midnight Swisher is going to turn back into a pumpkin in 2010, and
      B. The Yankees are playing with fire counting on Burnett to be a number 2, and Pettitte a number 3, with no one behind them in the rotation besides Hughes and Chamberlain, then…
      the deal makes a lot of sense.

      Idk why anybody who think this when:

      A. Swisher’s 2009 fell completely into his career norm, where he’s had four similar years and one terrible off year. If you expect a 29-year-old to fall off the cliff for any other reason it may be because you simply don’t like him.

      B. Why would trade a very valuable player, for the endless reasons I listed above, so you can acquire an old pitcher with a bloated contract when you can just sign one as a free agent for less money? Then replace that outfielder with a player who can fall off the cliff at any moment?

      Deal doesn’t make sense. If the Yanks are unsure about their pitching? Sign one for just money.

    21. Corey
      December 21st, 2009 | 9:48 pm

      YankCrank wrote:

      Sign one for just money.

      But…that’s the sign of a bad GM!

    22. December 21st, 2009 | 9:50 pm

      Corey wrote:

      Dude. You realize Lowe got lit up in the NL(!) EAST(!!!).

      That pretty much ends any debate for me.

    23. December 21st, 2009 | 10:33 pm

      Steve Lombardi wrote:

      srivinodh wrote:
      Have u seen Lowe’s contract.. not all that economical to put it mildly..
      We’re Yankees fans. Money is no object. We don’t care about our team payroll. It means nothing to us if our players are overpaid. Really, our GM spends the most money in the majors – and we’re eff’ing hey proud of it.
      If you don’t believe that, read the zillion comments that are left here by readers telling me that.

      I know u kid… i know u kid… But know this, Yank fans are ok with overpaying a Tex or a CC… but not a Damon or Lowe…

      Steve, why is that Cash$$ bothers u so much.. if u were the GM, would you not maximize the available money… if u were the GM would you tie one of ur hands up, saying i wont use my advantage…. and there is the issue of NY taxes… FAs have to be paid more here… i bet Carlos Lee earns more in Texas than if he had signed that contract for the Mets… its the curse of the big city…

    24. 77yankees
      December 21st, 2009 | 10:56 pm

      Derek Lowe??????

      Lie down until the symptoms subside.

    25. Evan3457
      December 21st, 2009 | 11:01 pm

      A mathematical equation:

      Derek Lowe: Yankees = Evan3457: :(
      ================================
      Numerous reports are coming in from various Yankee and baseball beat reporters over Twitter that the Yanks are “working hard” to trade for a pitcher tonight. Supposedly, it’s NOT a salary dump, so the usual suspects (Arroyo, Harang, Lowe) should not be the target.

      If vague rumors can be believed.

    26. YankCrank
      December 21st, 2009 | 11:06 pm

      Evan3457 wrote:

      A mathematical equation:

      Derek Lowe: Yankees = Evan3457:
      ================================
      Numerous reports are coming in from various Yankee and baseball beat reporters over Twitter that the Yanks are “working hard” to trade for a pitcher tonight. Supposedly, it’s NOT a salary dump, so the usual suspects (Arroyo, Harang, Lowe) should not be the target.

      If vague rumors can be believed.

      What’s your twitter tag?

    27. Evan3457
      December 21st, 2009 | 11:42 pm

      YankCrank wrote:

      Evan3457 wrote:

      A mathematical equation:

      Derek Lowe: Yankees = Evan3457:
      ================================
      Numerous reports are coming in from various Yankee and baseball beat reporters over Twitter that the Yanks are “working hard” to trade for a pitcher tonight. Supposedly, it’s NOT a salary dump, so the usual suspects (Arroyo, Harang, Lowe) should not be the target.

      If vague rumors can be believed.

      What’s your twitter tag?

      Don’t have one. Reading various tweets collected from various beat guys (Feinsand, Davidoff, Olney, Heyman) on the side scroll board at the YES Message Boards.

    28. Evan3457
      December 21st, 2009 | 11:43 pm

      Look for “Baseball News” under the Insurance Ad and Recent Topics on the right side of the page at this link:
      http://myyesnetwork.com/go/forum/viewboard

    29. December 22nd, 2009 | 12:27 am

      FWIW, for those with an open mind, some interesting data on Derek Lowe:

      via http://www.talkingchop.com/2009/11/3/1113020/braves-2009-season-in-review-derek -

      Did Atlanta Braves starting pitcher Derek Lowe really have this bad of a year? Is he really this bad of a pitcher? After all he posted an ERA almost a run higher than his career average, and he led the league in hits allowed, and he didn’t even get to that vaunted 200 innings pitched plateau that was part of the reason we signed him.

      I started out thinking this writeup would just be several paragraphs of me trashing Lowe, but then I looked deeper and thought about his 2009 performance in a different way.

      His ERA was a robust 4.67, but his FIP (Fielding Independent Pitching) was substantially lower at 4.06. This is not all that surprising for a ground ball pitcher, but it is a big gap. He also posted a batting average against of .301 — the highest in his career, and part of why he led the league in hits allowed — but that could have been helped by a high BABIP of .333. These are both similar numbers to what he put up during his last year in Boston, 2004. That year he had a .299 BAA and a .331 BABIP, which caused his ERA to jump up to an even uglier number (5.42) than last year.

      We can only infer that these numbers are not the norm for Derek Lowe. His career numbers, even with these outliers factored in are that of a .262 BAA and a .295 BABIP, to go with a 3.84 ERA and a 3.79 FIP. These are much closer to what he did during the last four years in Los Angeles, and closer to the type of pitcher that we believe we actually got when we signed him to a 4-year contract at $15 mil a pop.

    30. leutbneot
      December 22nd, 2009 | 4:44 am

      This is the single dumbest thing I’ve ever read.

    31. MJ
      December 22nd, 2009 | 9:27 am

      Steve Lombardi wrote:

      FWIW, for those with an open mind, some interesting data on Derek Lowe:
      via http://www.talkingchop.com/2009/11/3/1113020/braves-2009-season-in-review-derek

      Those are fair points except they still come with the caveat that he pitched in the NL last year.

      Lowe is now five full seasons removed from his last stint in the AL, a season (’04) which saw him pitch below league average. Even if the above information is true, you still have to adjust for the rigors of the AL East which makes last year’s season seem more likely to be repeated with a change of leagues.

      The Yanks should absolutely not add Derek Lowe unless Atlanta pays his entire contract. Otherwise, the Yanks would’ve been better off buying John Lackey for the two extra years at the same money.

    32. MJ
      December 22nd, 2009 | 9:29 am

      @ Steve Lombardi:
      Also, why would you have to trade Swisher to sign Damon? You can still sign Damon right now without trading Swisher.

      Why does Lowe enter the equation at all?

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