• The New York Yankees – Two Years From Now

    Posted by on December 26th, 2009 · Comments (15)

    Times flies. Shoot, it seems like it was yesterday that I started writing this blog. But, in actuality, it was over four years and eight months ago.

    The 2010 Yankees season is right around the corner. But, because time does fly, the 2012 Yankees season is not very far away as well. And, that leads to the question of “What will the Yankees look like, two years from now, at the start of 2012?”

    Mariano Rivera, Jorge Posada and Andy Pettitte will be gone from the Yankees scene by that time. (Or, at least, they should be – by most reasonable expectations.) However, which current Yankees will still be with the team two years from now (in ’12)?

    Alex Rodriguez should be here – he’s under contract until 2017. But, A-Rod will be 36-years old in 2012. And, while he should be good 27 months from now, under normal (natural?) conditions, his better days will be behind him by ’12.

    Will CC Sabathia still be with the Yankees in 2012? According to his contract, he can “opt out” and become a free agent after the 2011 season. Yet, I find it hard to believe that Sabathia will be able to better his contract by that time…the way contracts are trending in baseball. So, CC should still be here 27 months from now.

    Mark Teixeira (whose contract expires in 2016) will still be here in ’12. And, he’ll just be 32-years old at that time. How about A.J. Burnett? His contract does run through 2013. So, he should be here – but, will he be effective?

    Now, of course, the big question in this whole thing is Derek Jeter. He can become a free agent after the 2010 season. Will the Yankees bring him back? Well, of course, it would be insane to allow the face of the franchise to leave, etc. In any event, if Jeter is still with the Yankees in 2012, he’ll be 38-years old that season – and most likely no longer playing shortstop.

    What about some other current Yankees? Robinson Cano’s contract is up after 2011 – but the Yankees have an option for 2012. It’s $14 million for that season, or, a $2 million buy-out. That could be a very interesting call. Nick Swisher is in the same situation – under contract until 2011 with an option for 2012 ($10.25 million or $1 million buy-out). But, I doubt Swisher will still be with the Yankees by 2011 – much less by 2012. Curtis Granderson is under contract until 2014 – so, he should be here in ’12 (when he will be 31-years old). Lastly, guys like Joba Chamberlain, Brett Gardner, David Robertson, and Phil Hughes should be around in 2012 – assuming they don’t play themselves out of town.

    On the bright side, if you’re Brian Cashman, Kei Igawa will be gone come 2012. (Yes, his contract expires after the 2011 season…leaving just two more years of Iggy in Yankeeland.)

    So, this all told, if you had to project the Yankees 2012 line-up, today, it would look something like this:

    Catcher        TBD
    First Base     Mark Teixeira 
    Second Base    Robinson Cano 
    Third Base     Alex Rodriguez 
    Shortstop      TBD
    Left Field     Curtis Granderson 
    Center Field   TBD
    Right Field    TBD
    D.H.	       Derek Jeter 
    No. 1 Starter  C.C Sabathia 
    No. 2 Starter  TBD
    No. 3 Starter  A.J. Burnett 
    No. 4 Starter  Joba Chamberlain 
    No. 5 Starter  TBD
    Closer         Phil Hughes/David Robertson 
    

    As you can see, the Yankees are going to need some help at catcher, shortstop, the starting rotation, the outfield, and possibly closer, by the time the 2012 season comes along.

    Will Austin Romine be the Yankees catcher in 2012? Will Jesus Montero bring someone, via trade, to help in the outfield or as a starting pitcher? Will Jeremy Bleich, Andrew Brackman, Manny Banuelos or Zach McAllister be ready to help the Yankees as a starting pitcher in ’12? (Don’t hold your breath on these pitchers, if you ask me.) Will Ramiro Pena or Eduardo Nunez be the player to follow Derek Jeter at shortstop?

    What about free agents? Will the Yankees look to re-sign Javy Vazquez after the 2010 season and have him around come 2012? Or, will they try and sign Cliff Lee after this season? And, yes, there will be wondering about players like Joe Mauer and Carl Crawford if they become free agents after this season.

    The 2009 Yankees were World Champions. And, the 2010 Yankees have to be considered as contenders for the ring as well. But, come 2012, due to the age of some of their stars (like A-Rod and Jeter) and the needs that the Yankees will have at catcher, the outfield, and pitching, we could be looking at a team that is not as pretty as the one we have now in Yankeeland. And, 2012 is just 27 months away…

    Brian Cashman and company will have their work cut out for them over the next couple of seasons…building that team for 2012. Because, right now, it’s got issues and holes out the ying yang…and the ’12 season starts just about two years from now…

    Comments on The New York Yankees – Two Years From Now

    1. thenewguy
      December 26th, 2009 | 1:32 pm

      Um, aren’t we to expect holes in the roster 2 years from now? Do you expect Cashman to have already signed players who are free agents next year and in two years?

      If you ask me, having Jeter and A-Rod signed isn’t a bad thing, even if they are older. Then the Yanks have a relatively young Granderson, Tex, CC, AJ, Cano, and likely Swisher (even though you may not like him.) Are we really chiding Cashman for not having his team set for 2 years from now? He has 60% of the infield, and 60% of the starting rotation filled. If Hughes is a good starter, we only need 1 more SP. If Romine or Montero can play catcher in the majors, we only need to get a SS.

      So what exactly is the problem here?

    2. GDH
      December 26th, 2009 | 2:35 pm

      Yeah, pretty much everyone’s 2012 roster has a bunch of holes in it. I don’t mind the long term commitments we have out there. Except for Burnett, they all have been pretty durable. As Steve points out, next year the roster will be very active.

      My gut says they’ll go all out for Crawford and depending on who gets extended, they will add back Javy or another FA starter to replace Andy. BY then we’ll know about the Hughes/Joba experiment and where they slot into the plans. Also this year will be very interesting to watch Montero, Romine and even Cervelli and the young Slade.

    3. ken
      December 26th, 2009 | 2:52 pm

      The Jeter negotiations will be fascinating. It all depends on what he wants: both financially and on the field. Nevertheless, he will dictate the terms to the team and they will have to eat whatever he serves. There is no way he plays for any other team. (That last statement is meant as my read of the situation rather than my hope as a fan.)

    4. GDH
      December 26th, 2009 | 3:19 pm

      This is unrealistic, but I hope that Jeter realizes that and takes it into consideration before negotiating. I mean to say that I hope his demands are not outrageous, and that the negotiations are not too drawn out and public because it would put the team in a difficult spot. There also needs to be an acknowledgment of the fact that he can’t hope to play SS until he retires, unless by some miracle he can really do it. These and more I hope for the next offseason.

    5. December 26th, 2009 | 4:11 pm

      That Arod contract is going to sour in a hurry… Will Derek jeter pull a Wakefield.. that would be cool.. renewable one year contracts at a avg of top 3 shortstops in the league? Yeah… no chance… There is no way CC opts out ofcourse… i kind of find it good that so many contracts expire, maybe they can reign in some spending… the best position that can be filled from within is the catcher spot… hopefully Heathcott takes over in one of the OF spots… i find it interesting that u have Joba in the pen… i would like to think he will be in the rotation and Phil will b in the pen… if Brackman ever pans out that would be cool…. the biggest headache ofcourse is Jeter… i think the Yanks would love a Manny Ramirez type contract 2/45 i think the sticking point will not be the annual salary but the length of the contract, Cash$$ will be artful… i think

    6. December 26th, 2009 | 4:12 pm

      Oops… my bad Steve, u have Joba as starter.. i also had Lohud open and Chad jennings had him in the pen i think.. my bad

    7. ken
      December 26th, 2009 | 6:29 pm

      Re: CC: I would not be shocked if he opts out after 2011. He prefers to live on West Coast and now has at least one ring in his pocket.

    8. thenewguy
      December 26th, 2009 | 8:16 pm

      @ ken:
      That’s true Ken, but it’s all about the money. CC won’t be able to get a bigger contract than one he currently has (unless he pulls an A-Rod), and he can use all the money he makes to buy an even BIGGER house in the Oakland hills, or wherever he decides to retire to on the west coast.

    9. December 26th, 2009 | 11:07 pm

      In this one, I wrote:

      “Mariano Rivera, Jorge Posada and Jorge Posada will be gone from the Yankees scene by that time.”

      Obviously, there, I meant:

      “Mariano Rivera, Jorge Posada and Andy Pettitte will be gone from the Yankees scene by that time.”

      And, I just corrected that now.

    10. December 26th, 2009 | 11:16 pm

      thenewguy wrote:

      Um, aren’t we to expect holes in the roster 2 years from now? Do you expect Cashman to have already signed players who are free agents next year and in two years?

      Yes. Every team has contracts set to expire. But, you would expect a team to have prospects ready to step in when players leave – like the Angels did with Teixeira and Morales, like the Red Sox did with Loretta and Pedroia, etc. But, right now, for the holes the Yankees have in 2012, that they know about now, there’s no one lined-up to fill them…which means they will have to go out and get players. Hence, why I wrote:

      “Brian Cashman and company will have their work cut out for them over the next couple of seasons…building that team for 2012. Because, right now, it’s got issues and holes out the ying yang…and the ‘12 season starts just about two years from now…”

    11. jdg
      December 27th, 2009 | 5:03 am

      Jesus Montero is rated as being one of the best hitters to come along in years by many scouts, an 80 hitter and an 80 power guy (on a 20 to 80 scale). So I pray to God the Yankees don’t trade him. This is a guy who might be an MVP candidate with his bat alone.

      Hopefully, they will sign Arnoldis Chapman and he’ll be in the rotation mix as will Andrew Brackman. Maybe Slade Heathcoat will be patrolling center.

      And if ARod is going to be problematic at 36, why wouldn’t Jeter? Jeter going to be 36 this year in June. H=Yes, he had a great year but what kind of year can you expect out of him at 37 (in 2011) much less at 38 (2012)? Is he really going to be playing shortstop? Will his bat carry him as a left fielder by then? (it’s not like you can slide him to third or first, with ARod and Texiera around).

      When you consider that Joe Mauer, King Felix or Hanley Ramirez might be Yankees as free agents by then, it give you a whole other perspective on tying up dollars with Jeter, as great as he’s been.

      Of course, Jeter isn’t going to have a whole lot of $20m a year, three year offers on the table next year, either.

    12. January 3rd, 2010 | 11:28 am

      [...] than likely, the Yankees are keeping their D.H. spot open for A-Rod or Jeter…as we get closer to 2012…more so than hoping to land a Pujols or Fielder [...]

    13. Raf
      November 21st, 2012 | 7:16 pm

      Steve Lombardi wrote:

      So, this all told, if you had to project the Yankees 2012 line-up, today, it would look something like this:

      Catcher *Russell Martin*
      First Base Mark Teixeira
      Second Base Robinson Cano
      Third Base Alex Rodriguez
      Shortstop *Derek Jeter*
      Left Field *Raul Ibañez*
      Center Field Curtis Granderson
      Right Field *Nick Swisher*
      D.H. *Eric Chavez* (or the 1/2 day of rest for everyone)

      No. 1 Starter C.C Sabathia
      No. 2 Starter *Hiroki Kuroda*
      No. 3 Starter *Andy Pettitte*
      No. 4 Starter *Phil Hughes*
      No. 5 Starter *Ivan Nova/Freddy Garcia/David Phelps*
      Closer Mariano Rivera/*Rafael Soriano*

      Just goes to show you never know with these things, worrying about 2014 right now is really a pointless exercise ;)

    14. Raf
      January 3rd, 2013 | 12:13 am

      http://waswatching.com/2009/12/26/the-new-york-yankees-two-years-from-now/#comments

      Steve Lombardi wrote:
      So, this all told, if you had to project the Yankees 2012 line-up, today, it would look something like this:
      Catcher *Russell Martin*
      First Base Mark Teixeira
      Second Base Robinson Cano
      Third Base Alex Rodriguez
      Shortstop *Derek Jeter*
      Left Field *Raul Ibañez*
      Center Field Curtis Granderson
      Right Field *Nick Swisher*
      D.H. *Eric Chavez* (or the 1/2 day of rest for everyone)
      No. 1 Starter C.C Sabathia
      No. 2 Starter *Hiroki Kuroda*
      No. 3 Starter *Andy Pettitte*
      No. 4 Starter *Phil Hughes*
      No. 5 Starter *Ivan Nova/Freddy Garcia/David Phelps*
      Closer Mariano Rivera/*Rafael Soriano*

      Just goes to show you never know with these things, worrying about 2014 right now is really a pointless exercise

    15. Raf
      January 3rd, 2013 | 12:13 am

      CnP fail… *facepalm*

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