• Gaudin On Waivers

    Posted by on March 23rd, 2010 · Comments (19)

    The Yankees have placed Chad Gaudin on waivers. So, for now, he is a hanging Chad.

    Comments on Gaudin On Waivers

    1. Corey Italiano
      March 23rd, 2010 | 9:00 am

      Someone will claim him.

    2. MJ Recanati
      March 23rd, 2010 | 9:21 am

      Amazing…Girardi has a chubby for Sergio Mitre, apparently. No other reason to keep him around, considering how horrid a pitcher he’s been in his career.

    3. March 23rd, 2010 | 9:42 am

      Corey Italiano wrote:

      Someone will claim him.

      At $2.95 million in salary? I dunno….

    4. March 23rd, 2010 | 9:43 am

      MJ Recanati wrote:

      Amazing…Girardi has a chubby for Sergio Mitre, apparently. No other reason to keep him around, considering how horrid a pitcher he’s been in his career.

      Think of it this way. The $3 million that they’re going to pay him to pitch at SwB, plus the money to Thames and Winn, and, well, there’s your Johnny Damon salary and you’re still under “budget.: ;-)

    5. Raf
      March 23rd, 2010 | 10:02 am

      Chad Gaudin rhp: 1 year/$2.95M (2010)
      Sergio Mitre rhp: 1 year/$0.85M (2010)
      Chan Ho Park rhp: 1 year/$1.2M (2010)

      I can see why Gaudin would be cut loose.

    6. Evan3457
      March 23rd, 2010 | 10:23 am

      Thanks, Chad, for your acceptable work as the number five late last season, and for your good inning in the post-season.

      And…bye.

    7. jay
      March 23rd, 2010 | 10:25 am

      Steve Lombardi wrote:

      MJ Recanati wrote:
      Think of it this way. The $3 million that they’re going to pay him to pitch at SwB, plus the money to Thames and Winn, and, well, there’s your Johnny Damon salary and you’re still under “budget.:

      You seem to know something we don’t – that the Yankees will choose to offer to send him to AAA for his $2.95M, and that he’ll agree, since he can refuse the assignment and become a free agent.

      I invite you to remind yourself of what I told you would happen when you were up in arms over the Yankees signing Chan Ho Park. You couldn’t understand how it would fit in the ‘budget’.

    8. jay
      March 23rd, 2010 | 10:49 am

      MJ Recanati wrote:

      Amazing…Girardi has a chubby for Sergio Mitre, apparently. No other reason to keep him around, considering how horrid a pitcher he’s been in his career.

      I think you should take a look at Mitre’s minor league numbers as well as the ~90 innings he pitched (albeit in the NL East) to start the 2007 season. I suspect you are just glancing at his ERA+’s on his BR page and coming to a stock ‘he stinks’ conclusion.

      Saying that there’s ‘no other reason to keep him around’ and that he’s been a ‘horrid pitcher’ for his career, is just, well, wrong.

    9. MJ Recanati
      March 23rd, 2010 | 10:59 am

      jay wrote:

      Saying that he’s been a ‘horrid pitcher’ for his career, is just, well, wrong.

      Really? 362 innings of a 1.56 WHIP, 1.81 K/BB and a 5.56 career ERA isn’t bad?

      Instead of being smug about it, why don’t you show me what I’m missing about him. Pointing to 25% of his career innings (the first 90 innings to start ’07) isn’t a good enough reason to drastically change the way we view Mitre here.

    10. jay
      March 23rd, 2010 | 11:25 am

      MJ Recanati wrote:

      jay wrote:
      Saying that he’s been a ‘horrid pitcher’ for his career, is just, well, wrong.
      Really? 362 innings of a 1.56 WHIP, 1.81 K/BB and a 5.56 career ERA isn’t bad?
      Instead of being smug about it, why don’t you show me what I’m missing about him. Pointing to 25% of his career innings (the first 90 innings to start ‘07) isn’t a good enough reason to drastically change the way we view Mitre here.

      First, let’s look at Mitre’s career minor league numbers:

      3.09 ERA/1.232 WHIP/3.17 K/BB. Now, obviously, you have to understand and parse through what we’re looking at here. Mitre has significant innings at AAA at age 23 and 24, meaning the level was quite age appropriate, and he performed well.

      Next, let’s look at Mitre’s full history.. his “career”:

      Between 2003 and 2006 with the Cubs (mostly) and Marlins, he bounced between spot starts, September call ups, and 4-5 weeks in the rotation. Recall that Mitre was in AA in 2003, and so this period should really be thought of as developmental, even with the back and forth between MLB and AAA.

      In 2007, with a full time rotation spot out spring training, and now two years of bouncing between AAA and MLB for full seasons, he put up a 2.84 ERA/1.2 WHIP/2.857 K/BB in 88 IP in the first half. He also had a ridiculous coreless innings streak (20+) IIRC. He ended up injured in the second half and eventually needed TJS that offseason. He was later released by the Marlins because he was arbitration eligible.

      Is Segio Mitre going to set the world on fire and become Josh Johnson? Not likely. Is there something there, given his age appropriate success at each respective MiLB level and indicated by a stretch of success at the MLB level? Yes. Should we temper our treatment of his post-TJS (inside of 18 months) performance because we understand quite well the timeline that it takes pitcher to fully recover? Absolutely. Is it worth $800k? I think so, and apparently so do the Yankees.

      Back to your initial post:
      No other reason to keep him around

      As I said, and now further explained in detail, this is wrong – there is. He has some upside. That’s a great reason to keep a pitcher around.

      considering how horrid a pitcher he’s been in his career.

      I suppose this statement rests on your definition of horrid. More than likely (as I suspected), it’s a broadstroke reaction to a glance at his career numbers. I chose to take a more detailed approach. I suppose, that, to you, equates to smugness.

    11. March 23rd, 2010 | 11:36 am

      jay wrote:

      You seem to know something we don’t – that the Yankees will choose to offer to send him to AAA for his $2.95M, and that he’ll agree, since he can refuse the assignment and become a free agent.
      I invite you to remind yourself of what I told you would happen when you were up in arms over the Yankees signing Chan Ho Park. You couldn’t understand how it would fit in the ‘budget’.

      Even if they Yankees release him, they’ll owe him close to $700,000. Tack that on to the salary for Thames and Winn and that’s just about what Damon will get paid this year, no?

    12. jay
      March 23rd, 2010 | 11:58 am

      Steve Lombardi wrote:

      jay wrote:
      Even if they Yankees release him, they’ll owe him close to $700,000. Tack that on to the salary for Thames and Winn and that’s just about what Damon will get paid this year, no?

      No. It’s not even close.

      Winn’s contract is $1.1M with $900k in performance incentives (plate appearance totals). So that’s $2M, worst case.

      Assuming Gaudin doesn’t get traded and is released. They’ll owe him 25% of his salary, or ~$737k. So we’re up sto $2.737M.

      Thames signed a $900k deal that he can opt out of if he doesn’t make the team out of spring training. So worst case, $900k. We’re up to ~$3.6M.

      Damon signed a 1 year deal with the Tigers for *$8M*.

    13. MJ Recanati
      March 23rd, 2010 | 12:24 pm

      jay wrote:

      I chose to take a more detailed approach. I suppose, that, to you, equates to smugness.

      Before you gave me the detailed approach, you simply told me that I was wrong. That’s smug.

      It’s OK, I can take it. But I’m happy to call you out on it every time.

    14. MJ Recanati
      March 23rd, 2010 | 12:28 pm

      @ jay:
      PS – Thanks for breaking it all out for me. I happen to think you’re reading too far between the lines here. Mitre is what he is…a 29 year old with a decent MiLB record and not much to show for it in the big leagues. His story has been told hundreds of thousands of times before and odds don’t favor Mitre breaking the pattern and turning into a swan from his ugly duckling years.

      You can certainly say that injury and a choppy development/use pattern impacted him and that would be fair. But it doesn’t change the fact that, at 29 years of age, his body of work is still not impressive and there isn’t much about him to love. He’s not a radar gun darling and he’s not a lefty. He’s a generic righty. Meh.

    15. jay
      March 23rd, 2010 | 12:36 pm

      MJ Recanati wrote:

      Before you gave me the detailed approach, you simply told me that I was wrong. That’s smug.

      No, I didn’t. I ‘simply’ gave you a quick suggestion for what you should look at, and then told you were wrong:

      I think you should take a look at Mitre’s minor league numbers as well as the ~90 innings he pitched (albeit in the NL East) to start the 2007 season.

      It’s OK, I can take it. But I’m happy to call you out on it every time.

      Good for you. I’m happy to call you out on baseless claims and misinterpretations of facts.

    16. MJ Recanati
      March 23rd, 2010 | 12:38 pm

      @ jay:
      Zzzzz…wake me up when you stop puffing out your chest like a big bad man.

    17. March 23rd, 2010 | 1:12 pm

      jay wrote:

      Winn’s contract is $1.1M with $900k in performance incentives (plate appearance totals). So that’s $2M, worst case.
      Assuming Gaudin doesn’t get traded and is released. They’ll owe him 25% of his salary, or ~$737k. So we’re up sto $2.737M.
      Thames signed a $900k deal that he can opt out of if he doesn’t make the team out of spring training. So worst case, $900k. We’re up to ~$3.6M.
      Damon signed a 1 year deal with the Tigers for *$8M*.

      Mea culpa. I was confusing Winn’s deal with Nick Johnson’s deal.

    18. Evan3457
      March 23rd, 2010 | 5:56 pm

      I would say that so far in his career, Mitre’s been a bad major league starter. I also think his minor league record indicates that he could possibly be an acceptable #4-5 level starter. I also think he’s been unable to stay healthy long enough to finish off his development at the big league level.

      Whether the Yanks can stay with him long enough to accomplish that is an open question, but I think he has enough talent to be a rotation starter. Whether he will ever realize that talent…I don’t know. The odds are against it, but maybe it’s worth a shot. They might even get a reasonably valuable extra starter to use as trade bait out of it.

    19. 77yankees
      March 23rd, 2010 | 7:52 pm

      Steve Lombardi wrote:

      Corey Italiano wrote:
      Someone will claim him.
      At $2.95 million in salary? I dunno….

      The Padres claimed Kei Igawa on waivers years ago, and the Yankees were more than happy to let his high priced contract contract walk.

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