• The Kay – Torre Feud Still Lives

    Posted by on April 11th, 2010 · Comments (9)

    Via Bob Raissman

    Those loving rifts and bad blood should circle June 25 on their calendars. That is the day the Yankees open a three-game set with Joe Torre, and his Los Angeles Dodgers, in Chavez Ravine.

    This just in: The brigade of Yankee suits have no use for the man who guided the Bombers to four World Series titles. Brian Cashman, the general manager, won’t be breaking bread with Torre in the near – or any other – future.

    In fact, it’s likely a toss-up who Cashman would rather see drift into space first – Torre or MLB Network analyst Tom Verducci (he co-authored “The Yankee Years” with the veteran manager).

    It’s interesting how this anti-Torre sentiment manifests itself inside the souls of Torre haters associated with the Yankees. Some of these venom deliveries are darn creative.

    Like the riff Michael Kay put down last Tuesday on ESPN-1050. Kay also works for the Yankees Entertainment & Sports Network. His relationship with Torre, who once referred to Kay as Rona Barrett, was almost always fractured.

    Kay then defended [Joe] Girardi, his partner on “The Joe Girardi Show” (Only on YES), saying he was a better manager than – yeah, you guessed it – Joe Torre.

    “Joe Torre never managed at all,” Kay said. “He managed men in the clubhouse, but he did nothing with X’s and O’s during a game.”

    Michael Kay has been taking shots at Joe Torre for a while now. Maybe Suzyn Waldman can bring them back together again someday…like she did with Yogi and The Boss? Oh, the CenterStage that will follow that reunion….

    Comments on The Kay – Torre Feud Still Lives

    1. 77yankees
      April 11th, 2010 | 10:10 am

      You know, Kay & Raissman were colleagues at the Daily News 20 years ago, and now Kay has been doing Yankee games since 1992, has his own radio show, etc. etc.

      And Raissman is still doing the same job he was doing 20 years ago and only appears on a network that the Daily News pays for him to appear on.

      I’m not a fan of Kay’s work on the games by any means, but maybe Raissman should examine his own continued jealous agenda here.

    2. Raf
      April 11th, 2010 | 10:15 am

      Michael Kay has been taking shots at Joe Torre for a while now. Maybe Suzyn Waldman can bring them back together again someday…like she did with Yogi and The Boss? Oh, the CenterStage that will follow that reunion….


    3. butchie22
      April 11th, 2010 | 10:16 am

      Far be it for me to defend Joe Torre, BUT Mike Whiner Kay is such a blowhard sometimes. I liked him better when he wasn’t dating Jodi Applegate and was known as Danny Aniello’s nephew, now he’s so full of himself. No Torre was a laid back manager and was not an xs and Os manager BUT he was the right manger for the right team and time in the 90s. His tactical deficiencies became more apparent after the 2001 World series specifically in the 2004 debacle against the Red Pox. That being said, Kay is a Yankee shill backing up Yankees Inc if anything. Love or hate him,Torre won with the team and no one especially a blowhard like Whiner Kay can’t take that away from Mr Green Tea Torre! Even though many Yankee fans(such as myself) welcomed the manager change, I don’t why Kay tries to revise history. Torre didn’t do much in terms of strategy BUT he did something…..just a little at most!HAHAHA

      It was also annoying to hear the Yankee shill talk about how worst thing would be for Torre to make the playoffs with LA when Mr Green Tea first went out there. Is that how petty he is and Levine and Trost is? How inelegant of Yankees Inc. I thought they were supposed to be classy? Look I was glad Torre was gone BUT good luck to him. Yeah, he was in the perfect situation BUT he’s been in the playoffs for how many years straight? As much as it pains me to say it, Torre’s done a decent job out there.

    4. 77yankees
      April 11th, 2010 | 10:50 am

      Kay is dating Jodi Applegate? Ewwww, let’s hope they don’t multiply.

      Torre should have been fired after 2004. The 2003 WS was a debacle with Jeff Weaver in extra innings and sending Pettitte home before Game 5 even though they had an off day. Ok, he may have had a bad series and he didn’t deserve to be fired after that.

      But then in 2004 he did nothing to stop the free fall. No attempts to steal against Wakfield/Varitek in extra innings. No bunting against tampon sock Schilling.

      It started to get to a point where he decided he was Joe Torre and just had to sit in the dugout expecting to win.

    5. Raf
      April 11th, 2010 | 11:15 am

      2004 was just the perfect storm of bad events…

      game 4 he goes to Rivera early for the kill
      game 5 he goes to the “formula” with Gordon in the 8th and Rivera in the 9th…

      WRT Wakefield, the guys that were on base were the slowest guys on the team, and there really wasn’t an opportunity to run, anyway. Not bunting against Schilling was an oversight, but there weren’t really any accomplished bunters in the lineup (Jeter & Cairo, IIRC), and the Yanks had already lit him up in game 1. I think Torre, like everyone else was waiting for the Yanks to start hitting again.

      A couple of calls overturned, a couple of bad bounces here and there, I hadn’t seen so many things go wrong for one team in a series.

    6. 77yankees
      April 11th, 2010 | 11:43 am

      Well, he also had Kenny Lofton on the bench in that series, and chose not to use him. He could have pinch run somewhere in there when a steal was needed. Or bunted in Game 6 v. Schilling.

      Of course, if Tony Clark’s 2 out, 9th inning double in Game 5 didn’t bounce into the stands – even Ruben Sierra scores on that – then maybe history would have been changed forever.

    7. Joseph M
      April 11th, 2010 | 1:06 pm

      I hate seeing the Torre relationship degenerate into this. He was the manager for a lot of very special moments and the day will come when they retire his number and he’ll get a big standing O from a sold out Yankee Stadium. The book’s bark was much worse than it’s bite.

      That said, I thought the Yankees should have fired him after 2006. I thought the team was overly concerned about fallout with letting him go. He was the highest paid manager in baseball and it is a result driven business. For whatever the reason, the team was underperforming on the field. Maybe it wasn’t his fault. Maybe the players weren’t good enough. But whatever the reason, why should the Yankees continue to pay him more than twice as much as the second highest manager and not get the results they wanted. It’s business.

    8. April 12th, 2010 | 11:02 am

      […] good stories. From 2001 to his ultimate dismissal in 2007 he became Clueless Joe again. Yesterday, Bob Raissman of the Daily News (assist to Was Watching) talked about how June 25th is a day to circle on your calendar as the Yankees invade Dodger Stadium […]

    9. throwstrikes
      April 12th, 2010 | 11:39 am

      If given truth serum, I wonder if Torre would have regrets about writing the book with Verducci?

      He had every right to co-author it but whatever his intentions were, it was seen as a betrayal by some fans, people involved in the game and the Yankee organization.

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