• How Bad Has Joba Been This Season?

    Posted by on July 11th, 2010 · Comments (21)

    Really, really, bad.

    Comments on How Bad Has Joba Been This Season?

    1. Evan3457
      July 11th, 2010 | 1:04 pm

      By way of comparison, some other stats that show that Joba has been pretty bad, besides ERA (which is not always the best measure of a reliever’s effectiveness).

      WPA: Of 81 relievers who’ve done nothing but relieve, and have at least 30 innings pitched, and fewer than 5 saves (to eliminate closer, because blown saves lower WPA far more than most saves raise them) Joba ranks 56th in WPA at -0.146. (meaning his 5 or 6 blowups and 4-5 other poor appearance have hurt the Yanks’ chances of winning more than his other 25 good appearances have helped; he’s been an overall drag on the team).

      Of 107 relievers with 30 or more innings and all appearance in relief, Joba is the 3rd worst in WAR (Wins above replacement, behind only Chad Gaudin and Chad Qualls).

      Of the same 107 relievers, Joba is 87th in WHIP.

      The only plus I can find for Joba is that he’s only allowed 4 of 20 inherited runners to score, which is 20%, better than league average, and the only mitigating factor I can find for him is that his BABIP this season is .370, a pretty doggone high figure.

    2. MJ Recanati
      July 12th, 2010 | 8:46 am

      @ Evan3457:
      Good stuff, Evan. Thanks.

      Something needs to change with #62 and I think it starts by sending him to the minors. He’s just not an MLB-caliber pitcher right now and he brings nothing to the table.

    3. Jake1
      July 12th, 2010 | 9:10 am

      Why would they send him to the minors? They obviously feel hes the 2nd best reliever out there. Not going to happen. They just need some better relievers out there. Its Mo and a bunch of crap. Cant send everyone down.

    4. July 12th, 2010 | 9:36 am

      FWIW, I would send Joba to AAA just to give his attittude a bitch slap in the face…and leave him down until he learns that you need to play like a big leaguer and just not have a big league attitude.

    5. MJ Recanati
      July 12th, 2010 | 9:38 am

      Jake1 wrote:

      Why would they send him to the minors?

      It’s not a question of if they would send him to the minors as much as they should send him to the minors.

      Jake1 wrote:

      They obviously feel hes the 2nd best reliever out there.

      If that’s how they feel, then that’s a huge problem because he clearly isn’t the team’s second best reliever in any respect other than in name-recognition or fame.

      Jake1 wrote:

      Cant send everyone down.

      People talk about sending people down as if no one will be coming up to replace them. The Yankees have bullpen arms in the minor leagues that should at least be given a chance to show what they can do. If they’re not better than #62 then, OK, we move on. But what if they are? It doesn’t hurt to try, right? What would the Yanks lose by trying to find someone to do a better job than #62?

    6. MJ Recanati
      July 12th, 2010 | 9:39 am

      Steve Lombardi wrote:

      FWIW, I would send Joba to AAA just to give his attittude a bitch slap in the face…and leave him down until he learns that you need to play like a big leaguer and just not have a big league attitude.

      This isn’t an attitude issue, Steve. This is a performance issue. #62 isn’t sucking out there because he’s feeling entitled, it’s because he throws everything either outside the zone or down the middle. He’s got no command of his pitches and his stuff has no pitchability. He’s not an MLB-caliber pitcher right now.

    7. G.I. Joey
      July 12th, 2010 | 9:45 am

      Joba’s stuff is quite pedestrian this season and it’s time to bring up a Mark Melancon, Ian Nova, or someone like that. Unfortunately I read that the Yanks are considering giving Albaladejo another shot b/c he is doing well right now in Scranton.

    8. July 12th, 2010 | 10:32 am

      MJ Recanati wrote:

      This isn’t an attitude issue, Steve. This is a performance issue. #62 isn’t sucking out there because he’s feeling entitled, it’s because he throws everything either outside the zone or down the middle. He’s got no command of his pitches and his stuff has no pitchability. He’s not an MLB-caliber pitcher right now.

      FWIW, I’ve heard that Joba’s not working as hard as he could be, and, he’s not listening to the coaches as much as he could be, and, to me, that’s a case of “big league head”…hence, the need for the slap.

    9. July 12th, 2010 | 11:27 am
    10. MJ Recanati
      July 12th, 2010 | 11:27 am

      G.I. Joey wrote:

      Unfortunately I read that the Yanks are considering giving Albaladejo another shot b/c he is doing well right now in Scranton.

      Why unfortunately? Albaladejo is pitching very well in the minors right now and should absolutely be given a chance to replace someone in the Yankee bullpen, be it Park, Robertson or #62.

      These are bullpen arms, after all. Other than Rivera, they’re all fungible, even #62.

    11. MJ Recanati
      July 12th, 2010 | 11:29 am

      Steve Lombardi wrote:

      FWIW, I’ve heard that Joba’s not working as hard as he could be, and, he’s not listening to the coaches as much as he could be, and, to me, that’s a case of “big league head”…hence, the need for the slap.

      I haven’t heard that and I imagine that if it were true, mainstream media and the Yankee blogosphere would’ve picked up on it, at least in passing.

      In any case, it’s his performance that warrants a trip to Scranton. If his personality is an issue too then by all means the Yanks can use that as an excuse. But one way or another, he doesn’t belong on the 25-man roster any longer.

    12. G.I. Joey
      July 12th, 2010 | 11:50 am

      @ MJ Recanati:
      Albladejo left a sour taste in my mouth from what I’ve seen of him at the major league level, but to be fair it was only a handful of innings. He’s always struck me as AAAA type of player, but I’ll agree with you that his success in Scranton has earned him another shot.

    13. MJ Recanati
      July 12th, 2010 | 11:57 am

      @ G.I. Joey:
      Absolutely, Albaladejo didn’t do a great job in the limited opportunities he had in NY. But if he has gone down to the minors and corrected some flaws and is a better pitcher for it, we owe it to ourselves to find out.

      Who knows? Maybe he comes up and is great and we never have to see or hear about #62 ever again.

    14. Raf
      July 12th, 2010 | 2:51 pm

      Steve Lombardi wrote:

      FWIW, I’ve heard that Joba’s not working as hard as he could be, and, he’s not listening to the coaches as much as he could be, and, to me, that’s a case of “big league head”…hence, the need for the slap.

      If that were the case, they would’ve buried him in Scranton by now. They did it with Kennedy, why not Joba?

    15. July 12th, 2010 | 3:43 pm

      Raf wrote:

      If that were the case, they would’ve buried him in Scranton by now. They did it with Kennedy, why not Joba?

      Because then Cashman & Co. would have to admit that they screwed this one up too…making him out to be the Yankees Josh Beckett, etc.

    16. Raf
      July 12th, 2010 | 4:02 pm

      Steve Lombardi wrote:

      Because then Cashman & Co. would have to admit that they screwed this one up too…making him out to be the Yankees Josh Beckett, etc.

      That doesn’t make sense either; Hughes was hyped more than Joba, and he was sent down.

    17. MJ Recanati
      July 12th, 2010 | 4:36 pm

      @ Raf:
      Bingo.

    18. Evan3457
      July 12th, 2010 | 4:58 pm

      Steve Lombardi wrote:

      Raf wrote:
      If that were the case, they would’ve buried him in Scranton by now. They did it with Kennedy, why not Joba?
      Because then Cashman & Co. would have to admit that they screwed this one up too…making him out to be the Yankees Josh Beckett, etc.

      He WAS the Yanks’ Josh Beckett, for about 10 starts in 2008. He even BEAT Josh Beckett 1-0 in Boston. Then he got hurt. And he may have lost the ability to repeat his motion, and with it his command. Now, he might well be the Yanks’ Roy Halladay, circa 2000-2001.

    19. July 12th, 2010 | 8:32 pm

      I think the Yankees/Joba saga is going to end badly. The best thing for Joba might be to start over in a different organization with a different game plan. In the old days around here this would have been a trip to Tampa for a visit with Billy Connors. 2007 seems just a very distant memory.

    20. MJ Recanati
      July 13th, 2010 | 8:40 am

      Joseph Maloney wrote:

      The best thing for Joba might be to start over in a different organization with a different game plan

      I agree but that ship has sailed. #62′s trade value has diminished to the point that it’s just better if they send him to the minors to see if they can fix him again. He’s useless to the team in the big leagues and he won’t fetch much in a trade so they may as well focus on building him back up in Scranton or Tampa or wherever he could get the most attention.

    21. clintfsu813
      July 13th, 2010 | 8:45 am

      @ MJ Recanati:
      Unfortunately I dont disagree with you. Heres hoping he comes correct straight out the gate after the break. I see a couple of those Rays games being close.

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