• The Trade Winds Blow…Just Not Yankees Way

    Posted by on July 30th, 2010 · Comments (15)

    Some interesting bits from Joel Sherman today -

    In exchange for [Roy] Oswalt, the Astros received left-hander J.A. Happ and two prospects — outfielder Anthony Gose and shortstop Jonathan Villar.

    Executives from multiple teams complained they had no idea the Astros were willing to include $11 million of the $23.5 million owed Oswalt through next year and his 2012 option as they did to move him to the Phillies. The Yankees were not told at all how much the Astros would eat. The Mets were told that Houston would take “some money,” but nowhere near $11 million, and were never given an exact amount. Of course, the likelihood is the Astros would never have agreed to pay one penny to the Yankees or probably the Mets either; and it is possible Oswalt might not have agreed to go to New York.

    One Yankee official flatly said, “We’re out on [Adam] Dunn.”

    An executive who talks regularly with the White Sox says Chicago also is out. The Rays — like the Yanks — don’t like the prospect cost and that Dunn adamantly does not want to DH.

    Both teams fear asking a player to adopt to a role he doesn’t like in the middle of a pennant race for a new team in a new league. This could leave the Giants as the most serious pursuer of Dunn.

    “The Yanks are working on relievers and a supplemental corner bat,” an advisor to an AL GM said.

    The Yanks have talked to Colorado, which has potentially helpful righty hitters who fit either in the corner infield or outfield — Clint Barmes, Melvin Mora and Ryan Spilborghs — but the Rockies did not feel compelled to move salary and did not think they would get enough from the Yankees to make a deal worthwhile.

    It is amazing to see Roy Oswalt, Cliff Lee and Dan Haren all traded in-season, within the same month, and none going to the Yankees or Red Sox. In the old days, it always seemed like that was the place for stud pitchers to end up, in season, via a trade. And, it’s good to see the Yankees are not after Dunn. He’s the anti-Johnny Damon and not what the Yankees need now or in the post-season.

    Comments on The Trade Winds Blow…Just Not Yankees Way

    1. MJ Recanati
      July 30th, 2010 | 9:07 am

      First, I don’t buy that the Astros “would never have agreed to pay one penny to the Yankees.” Second, Sherman is approaching this article from the wrong point of view. The Yankees didn’t seem interested in Oswalt; Sherman seems to be intimating that the Astros weren’t interested in sending him to the Yankees and thus never engaged the Yankees during the process.

      Second, I don’t see how Dunn is “the anti-Johnny Damon and not what the Yankees need now or in the post-season.” He’s the anti-Johnny Damon because he doesn’t steal bases or hit leadoff. Beyond that, I have no idea what you’re talking about. Dunn’s production would be huge for the Yanks. It would enable the Yanks to relegate Thames to the bench role he’s more suited for, would provide the offense that’s missing when Cervelli catches and Posada doesn’t play (happening too frequently at this point) and also chips in offense that Rodriguez and Jeter, alternating between bursts of extreme cold and hot streaks, haven’t provided consistently all season.

      I have no idea how a career .385 wOBA wouldn’t help the Yankees now or in the playoffs but you’re not thinking clearly on this one.

    2. clintfsu813
      July 30th, 2010 | 9:09 am

      So, it seems that the team with the best record in Baseball hasnt seen the need for many upgrades…sounds about right. ;)

    3. July 30th, 2010 | 9:13 am

      MJ Recanati wrote:

      I don’t see how Dunn is “the anti-Johnny Damon and not what the Yankees need now or in the post-season.”

      Dunn is a whiff machine. Damon is a contact hitter. In the post-season, you don’t want whiff machines. You want contact hitters. And, Damon can win a game on the bases with his feet. (See last year’s WS.) Dunn is a base clogger.

    4. July 30th, 2010 | 9:14 am

      Also, check the clutch type stats between Damon and Dunn. Damon is much better. Dunn is one of the worst.

    5. Raf
      July 30th, 2010 | 9:17 am

      Steve Lombardi wrote:

      Dunn is a whiff machine. Damon is a contact hitter. In the post-season, you don’t want whiff machines. You want contact hitters. And, Damon can win a game on the bases with his feet. (See last year’s WS.) Dunn is a base clogger.

      Reggie Jackson disagrees with you ;)

    6. MJ Recanati
      July 30th, 2010 | 9:29 am

      @ Steve Lombardi:
      A-Rod and Teixeira are whiff machines. Posada is a base-clogger, as were Tino Martinez and Cecil Fielder.

      All have rings.

    7. July 30th, 2010 | 9:46 am

      Short of trading Montero for him, getting Dunn would be a great move for the Yankees.

      He’s been hitting for much better contact this year (and last – and yes I know is BAIP is abnormally high, but my eyes tell me its development rather than luck) and the dude’s a monster at the plate.

      Strikeouts are just another kind of out, but he’s a hard worker, tough competitor and from all accounts here a good teammate.

      That said, I don’t think the Nationals are going to trade him, but rather I really believe they’re going to resign him before the end of the year or early in the offseason. The team appears to believe, and not unjustifiably that their window to compete is closer than most of the baseball world does.

      The Nats are much more likely to deal a Josh Willingham or a Cristian Guzman in the next 36 hours than they are to trade Dunn.

    8. Corey Italiano
      July 30th, 2010 | 9:56 am

      Sean McNally wrote:

      Short of trading Montero for him, getting Dunn would be a great move for the Yankees.

      I agree. I used to be down on Dunn, but that was because I didn’t really see him play. Having seen Strasburgh’s starts for the most part, and thus seeing Dunn play more, I’ve gotta say he would look pretty good protecting A-Rod (not that Cano is doing a bad job).

    9. July 30th, 2010 | 10:20 am

      MJ Recanati wrote:

      A-Rod and Teixeira are whiff machines.

      Check the K/PA rates for Dunn, Tex, and A-Rod. They’re not even close to Dunn.

    10. MJ Recanati
      July 30th, 2010 | 10:43 am

      @ Steve Lombardi:
      You still haven’t made a cogent argument about Dunn being bad for the ballclub. You’ve just said that he strikes out a lot and isn’t fleet of foot.

      Neither of those points makes him a player that wouldn’t help the Yankees.

    11. July 30th, 2010 | 10:52 am

      I really don’t see the need for the Yankees to add any impact bat, especially one who has no value on the bases or on the field.

      Where would you put Dunn? DH?

      We have 3 above average defenders in the OF (Fangraphs says Swish is wacksauce but I always see him making all the catches as long as he doesn’t have to make a running catch going towards the wall). 2/3 speed guys, 2/3 decent home run output, and 2/3 high patience hitters (I don’t know the numbers for 50 Cent).

      He can’t crack the IF either, seeing as how we have the greatest IF ever assembled in the history of all things relevant.

      I’d rather see Colin Curtis play than Adam Dunn.

      Maybe I’m just a hater.

    12. MJ Recanati
      July 30th, 2010 | 11:21 am

      Thomas Tu wrote:

      Where would you put Dunn? DH?

      Yes, of course. Dunn is born to DH, whether he likes to admit it or not.

      In an absolute pinch, he can play some 1B or a corner outfield spot (albeit incompetently). But certainly his greatest utility is as a tremendous slugger. He’d be a great addition to the lineup.

    13. clintfsu813
      July 30th, 2010 | 11:26 am

      MJ Recanati wrote:

      Yes, of course. Dunn is born to DH, whether he likes to admit it or not.

      Any thought that he would be a head case/a-hole if he had to DH a ton?

    14. MJ Recanati
      July 30th, 2010 | 12:29 pm

      clintfsu813 wrote:

      Any thought that he would be a head case/a-hole if he had to DH a ton?

      No idea. The media is reporting that some teams are leery of trading for him for that reason but it’s impossible to know if that’s true or not.

      He’s going to be a free agent at the end of the season which means that he can go back to the NL for 2011 if he really hates being a DH. As a result, I can’t imagine why he’d be so averse to 2-3 months of DH duty with the chance to win a ring which is why I don’t 100% believe the stories.

    15. Evan3457
      July 30th, 2010 | 5:04 pm

      I would take Dunn as a DH for two months.

      Unfortuately, the price required for him exceeds his marginal value to the team at this point.

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