Without Sabathia & Pettitte, Yankees Are Nothing
Posted by Steve L. on August 18th, 2010 · Comments (16)
The Yankees are currently 73-46 this season, tied for first in the A.L. East, with the Tampa Bay Rays – 27 games over the .500 mark.
This season, to date, in games started by CC Sabathia and Andy Pettitte, the Yankees are 33-11, which is 22 games over .500.
This means, in games not started by Sabathia or Pettitte, the Yankees are just five games over .500 with a mark of 40-35.
Face it, without CC and Andy, the Yankees are not a very impressive ballclub. So, let’s hope that Pettitte comes back soon – and that nothing happens to Sabathia as well.
Any reason Hughes wasn’t added to the first group? 16-6 team record in games started by Hughes = 10 games over .500. Same margin as CC.
Take away two of the three top pitchers in any rotation, and that team is “nothing”.
bfriley76 wrote:
So it’s really…
“This season, to date, in games started by CC Sabathia, Phil Hughes and Andy Pettitte, the Yankees are 49-17, which is 32 games over .500.
This means, in games not started by Sabathia, Hughes or Pettitte, the Yankees are five games UNDER .500 with a mark of 24-29.
Face it, without CC, Phil, and Andy, the Yankees are not a very impressive ballclub. So, let’s hope that Pettitte comes back soon, Hughes does well in the starts he gets from this point on – and that nothing happens to Sabathia as well.”
The only thing that shows me is how inconsistent and terrible AJ has been so far this year.
The Rays are currently 73-46 this season, tied for first in the A.L. East, with the New York Yankees – 27 games over the .500 mark.
This season, to date, in games started by Jeff Niemann and David Price, the Rays are 33-12, which is 21 games over .500.
This means, in games not started by Niemann or Price, the Rays are just six games over .500 with a mark of 40-34.
Face it, without Jeff and David, the Rays are not a very impressive ballclub.
The Red Sox are just a game over .500 without Lester and Bucholz. So no team is very impressive without their top two starters.
@ Rich M:
Bingo
Wow. I think this means that the Yankees are actually a bad team. When you strip away their good players, all they really are is a team treading water. Now we know the truth about them. They hide their mediocrity with good players that inflate their winning record, but they can’t fool us any longer!
Alas, another dog-bites-man post.
What I don’t get is why Steve refuses to place things in context.
I mean, outside of the obvious context of taking the two best starters out of the records of other teams in the league this year, there’s also:
Without Ron Guidry and Ed Figueroa, the ’78 Yankees were 46-47.
Without Pettitte and Clemens, the 2000 Yanks were 45-52.
Without Pettitte and Rogers, the 1996 Yanks were 49-49.
The 1962 Yankees are 44-42 without Ford and Terry.
And on and on like that. Well, you probably won’t see that in the 1936-39, 1961, and 1998 Yanks, but those were among the greatest teams ever. No one’s claiming this Yankee team is among the greatest ever.
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And taking it head on, a team that goes 40-35 is an 86-win team.
Which means Steve has shown that, taking away its two best starters, both having excellent seasons so far, this team is an 86 win team.
“not impressive”…I do not think it means what you think it means.
@ Evan3457:
thanks for the sanity.
You all might be right about giving Steve a hard time by not including Hughes (although, he’s been inconsistant unlike CC and Andy) but Andy’s out right now. It doesn’t sound like he’ll be back till mid Sept. That gives him only (at best) a couple of weeks to be ready for the PS – assuming the Yanks make it to the PS.
Evan3457 wrote:
INCONCEIVABLE!
bfriley76 wrote:
On YES, many times this season, they’ve talked about the monster Run Support that Hughes has gotten this season – and, look at his stats vs. CC’s stats. The W-L record in Hughes stats is more about the Yankees bats in those games than it is about Hughes pitching.
@ Corey Italiano:
@ Rich M:
Evan3457 wrote:
I love context. Read my book – it’s all about context.
Now, to the matter of “Look at the Rays, etc….”
I say “So what?” It’s the same thing as jumping off the bridge. If everyone else was jumping off the bridge, would you? Bottom line, I don’t care how the Rays, Sox, or some other team is doing it. I only care about the Yankees – and the fact that the back end of their rotation, after CC and Andy, are unreliable and just .500 pitchers this season. So what if the Rays have the same issue? Let their fans worry about them.
More on this issue from Flip Bondy:
http://tinyurl.com/2asn9ge
Steve Lombardi wrote:
Why not? It offers context, doesn’t it?
Of course there’s the oversimplification angle, because even if you want to subtract Sabathia’s and Pettitte’s starts what isn’t taken into consideration how well or poorly their replacements would do.
Steve Lombardi wrote:
Maybe, maybe not; Pettitte was with the Yankees in 2001, 2002, 2003, 2007 & 2008, but the Yanks didn’t win the World Series then either.
Nothing is guaranteed in October.