• August 23rd @ The Blue Jays

    Posted by on August 24th, 2010 · Comments (27)

    Who the heck is Jose Bautista? He went from scrub to the right handed version of early 00′s David Ortiz. In any event, he was the story of this one and took over the game completely with his 2 homers, one being the game winner off of Robertson.

    This was a tough loss. Nova pitched extremely well in his first start, flashing some pretty good stuff in the process. He was hitting 96-97 with good frequency on the fastball, (dropping down to 92-93 at times) had a nice change-up and a hammer breaking ball (12-6 variety that was pretty good aside from the Bautista homer). I would like to see the Yanks give him the ball again soon because Nova has the tools that could not only help the rotation down the stretch, but perhaps allow him to sneak on the post season roster and make an impact from the bullpen.

    The offense really let Nova down last night. Anytime you’ve got a young arm coming up from the minors to make a start, and they give you nearly 6 innings of 2 run ball, that’s a game that you have to win. What did the offense do? Strike out, mostly. Aside from Cano (and the Posada double), the offense looked pretty pedestrian last night (granted it was the D lineup).

    Even worse, Tampa and Boston both pick up a game on the Yanks with the Rays now being tied for first. The best thing you can take out of this is that Nova at the very least looks like he can help the team. Wonder who signed that guy?

    Comments on August 23rd @ The Blue Jays

    1. YankCrank
      August 24th, 2010 | 9:48 am

      Wonder who signed that guy?
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      Couldn’t have been Cashman. We all know that all he does is throw money around at big free agents and has no talent evaluation skills.

      Probably somebody else.

    2. butchie22
      August 24th, 2010 | 10:09 am

      JoBau? His name is becoming synonymous with PEDs of all sorts. Is it that he responded to Cito Gaston and Dwayne Murphy’s hitting philosophy in full force OR is he aided and abetted by some chemical substances? His jump from prior seasons is a bit high in terms of his home run production.JoBau responded accordingly when he hit that second home run. Nova came across as a bit of a punk and a so-called veteran sent a message to another pitcher!? JoBau seems like a potential Yankee Killer….

      Ivan The Terrible Nova did a nice job. Did he try to plunk JoBau The Possible PED User? Maybe methinks. He was out of line there BUT otherwise did a really good job against a potentially explosive offense. Then again, I found out that the Bluebirds have a similar problem to hitting pitchers they’ve never seen before. That being said he was really good.

      Corey, the reason the Bombers couldn’t hit a lick because Morrow was so sick on the mound. This kid’s stuff scares the bloody s^&t out of me. When Morrow’s on , he’s incredibly on. I don’t know if he’ll become Chuck Finley Junior but the kid can pitch. But Downs and Gregg were both eminently hittable though.

      @ Crank, as per Cash Man it might have been Oppenheimer. However in the case that Cash Man did sign him THEN it’s simply a case of a blind squirrel finding an acorn every once in awhile!

    3. Corey Italiano
      August 24th, 2010 | 10:23 am

      butchie22 wrote:

      Ivan The Terrible Nova did a nice job. Did he try to plunk JoBau The Possible PED User? Maybe methinks

      That pitch was right down the middle, he was backing him off the plate on purpose but he had no intent of hitting him.

    4. butchie22
      August 24th, 2010 | 10:40 am

      Corey Italiano wrote:

      butchie22 wrote:Ivan The Terrible Nova did a nice job. Did he try to plunk JoBau The Possible PED User? Maybe methinksThat pitch was right down the middle, he was backing him off the plate on purpose but he had no intent of hitting him.

      Umm, I disagree. The ball didn’t end up in the middle did it? I watched the game last night and the ball ended up high in the zone!Ivan the Terrible’s words afterwards were very combative as well. He reminded of Pedro The Mango Tree Man when he threatened to plunk Passedballsada in the head. Ivan’s a kid , he should just go out there and pitch. No matter, Jo Bau The Possible PED User got his own measure of revenge anyway.

    5. Garcia
      August 24th, 2010 | 10:43 am

      JoBau is quite the Richard. I was really angry at yesterday’s loss, not at any player on the Yankees – just wanted them to beat the blue jays really badly last night.

    6. YankCrank
      August 24th, 2010 | 10:47 am

      @ butchie22:

      Good to see you back, butch :)

    7. YankCrank
      August 24th, 2010 | 10:52 am

      I was a little disappointed with the quick hook of Nova. After 70+ pitches I was hoping Girardi would let him go a little longer, but I understand the move. When it comes down to it the game was within reach with our best relievers on the mound and Bautista got a mistake pitch. I wish the Yanks could have taken advantage of Gregg like Bautista took care of Robertson…both Posada and Cano got some ugly 90mph fastballs right over the plate and couldn’t deposit them anywhere.

      I understand Bautista’s slow trot around the bases, but his Cervelli-like fist pump right when he ran past him at home plate was a little too much. You got knocked down by a rookie, fine, be a dick when you get a big hit…but let’s not overdo it here.

    8. Corey Italiano
      August 24th, 2010 | 10:58 am

      butchie22 wrote:

      The ball didn’t end up in the middle did it?

      I’m talking about left-right and not up-down

    9. Corey Italiano
      August 24th, 2010 | 11:00 am

      butchie22 wrote:

      !Ivan the Terrible’s words afterwards

      I loved that part. Ivan stood on the mound with his arms outstretched yelling “what are you gonna do?!”. I love it.

    10. August 24th, 2010 | 11:06 am

      YankCrank wrote:

      Wonder who signed that guy?
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      Couldn’t have been Cashman. We all know that all he does is throw money around at big free agents and has no talent evaluation skills.
      Probably somebody else.

      Per Mark Newman, earlier this year:

      Donny Rowland leads our international scouting department. Pat Roessler is our farm director, and a guy named Pat McMahon leads our international player development efforts, which are centered in our complex in the Dominican. Each one of those guys has responsibilities.

      I do get more involved in international scouting, just due to the nature of the activity. I spend a lot of time down there with Donny Rowland.

      So, on Nova, I would bet that it’s more Newman than Cashman.

    11. Evan3457
      August 24th, 2010 | 11:21 am

      Steve Lombardi wrote:

      YankCrank wrote:
      Wonder who signed that guy?
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      Couldn’t have been Cashman. We all know that all he does is throw money around at big free agents and has no talent evaluation skills.
      Probably somebody else.
      Per Mark Newman, earlier this year:
      Donny Rowland leads our international scouting department. Pat Roessler is our farm director, and a guy named Pat McMahon leads our international player development efforts, which are centered in our complex in the Dominican. Each one of those guys has responsibilities.
      I do get more involved in international scouting, just due to the nature of the activity. I spend a lot of time down there with Donny Rowland.
      So, on Nova, I would bet that it’s more Newman than Cashman.

      But of course!

      Failed international signing: Cashman
      Signing with some potential: Not Cashman

      :)

    12. Raf
      August 24th, 2010 | 11:44 am

      YankCrank wrote:

      @ butchie22:
      Good to see you back, butch

      Yeah man, hope all’s well.

    13. Raf
      August 24th, 2010 | 11:47 am

      YankCrank wrote:

      You got knocked down by a rookie, fine, be a dick when you get a big hit…but let’s not overdo it here.

      I was trying to figure out why he was staring down Robertson.

    14. Raf
      August 24th, 2010 | 11:54 am

      butchie22 wrote:

      His jump from prior seasons is a bit high in terms of his home run production.

      All that started last year; he hit more HR in Sept/Oct than he hit during the rest of the year. I’d chalk it up to a pretty good run, time will tell if he’s able to sustain his rate or pace.

    15. #15
      August 24th, 2010 | 1:07 pm

      Looked to me like the ball went right over the umps head. That guy needed to be brushed back with the game he called. It reminded me of Manny having a canary when he thought he’d been thrown at. Ball was never really a threat to him unless he jumped on to the plate.

      JoBau is having a Brady Anderson-like renaissance. Hard to figure.
      Robertson missed his spot. Cisco was set up 10 inches off the outside corner. I think JoBau was cracking on Cisco with the low fist pumps as he crossed the plate. As an old catcher and a catcher aficionado, the best approach from the catcher is to be invisible to the opposition and the umps. Don’t celebrate on the field after a big strike out for example. The batter is plenty pissed off at himself at that point; let that be the focus of his anger. Once you are in the dugout, let it fly.

    16. YankCrank
      August 24th, 2010 | 2:01 pm

      #15 wrote:

      As an old catcher and a catcher aficionado, the best approach from the catcher is to be invisible to the opposition and the umps. Don’t celebrate on the field after a big strike out for example. The batter is plenty pissed off at himself at that point; let that be the focus of his anger. Once you are in the dugout, let it fly.

      Former catcher myself, agree 100%.

      That’s how I played, but I won’t fault Cervelli for being who he is. The game is filled with fist-pumpers and screamers these days, you may as well be who you are.

    17. BOHAN
      August 24th, 2010 | 2:53 pm

      i love what nova did to bautista… showing hes not going to back and comanding the inside part of the plate… if this was roger clemens back in the day or anyone else you guys would have no problem but when its a young guy trying to make sure he has the inside part of the plate everyone frowns on it… if you go way back in the day with people like gibson they did that stuff all the time… its a pitchers job to make the hitter uncomfortable.. do what you gotta do to get those 27 outs

    18. BOHAN
      August 24th, 2010 | 2:59 pm

      and on bautista… i think hes def doing something along the lines of PEDs… comin into this season he had 59 career hrs in 5 full seasons.. and all of a sudden hes hitting 40 with a month and a half to go??? i know cito and the hitting coach have changed the hitting approach there but to make that big of a jump in one season… i dont know if thats just the product of a different approach

    19. Corey Italiano
      August 24th, 2010 | 3:26 pm

      BOHAN wrote:

      i love what nova did to bautista… showing hes not going to back and comanding the inside part of the plate… if this was roger clemens back in the day or anyone else you guys would have no problem but when its a young guy trying to make sure he has the inside part of the plate everyone frowns on it

      I agree with ya completely. I loved every second of it.

      Ricky Bobby: They are winners! That is how winners talk!

    20. Jim TreshFan
      August 24th, 2010 | 4:04 pm

      And this from Peter Gammons today on Mike Fancesca on Jose Bautista: Last September G.M. genius J.P. Ricciardi placed Bautista on waivers. He was claimed by the Red Sox. Ricciardi was (according to Gammons) “intent” on trading Bautista to Boston, but at the last minute the Beantown brain trust got cold feet and backed out

    21. #15
      August 24th, 2010 | 5:06 pm

      @ YankCrank:
      I said old, not former. I’m still putting on the tools in a 45 and over division of senior league baseball. Heading to San Antonio over Labor Day to defend our Texas Title. A durable catcher in that age division is a highly-prized commodity…

    22. YankCrank
      August 24th, 2010 | 6:38 pm

      @ #15:

      Good for you! And good luck as well.

    23. Raf
      August 24th, 2010 | 11:42 pm

      BOHAN wrote:

      i know cito and the hitting coach have changed the hitting approach there but to make that big of a jump in one season… i dont know if thats just the product of a different approach

      Fangraphs put something out today
      http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/bautistas-surge-continues/

    24. BOHAN
      August 25th, 2010 | 1:13 am

      @ Raf:
      i was arguing that he isnt hitting bombs… im just saying making a change in your approach doesnt make you hit almost as mnay hrs in one season as you did in your whole carreer before that… in 5 yrs he hit 59 hrs and now hes hittin 40 with a month and a half to go… its not unrealistic that hell have 50 by seasons end and you dont find it the least bit fishy that he comes 9 short of doubling his 5 year career total in one season??? its not a crazy thought considering they dont test for HGH and he plays in canada where its alot easier to get it then here in the states

    25. Raf
      August 25th, 2010 | 11:33 am

      @ BOHAN:
      Bautista has been playing with the Jays since 2008, and has altered his swing to the point where over 50% of the balls he hit are in the air. He’s a dead pull hitter who swings hard that can mash a fastball and a hanging breaking ball.

      I don’t find it fishy as there have been players that have had spikes in their home run totals before; Wade Boggs and Davey Johnson come to mind. I’m sure there have been others if I take the time to look.

    26. BOHAN
      August 25th, 2010 | 1:31 pm

      like mcgwire sosa and bonds??? im gunnna be skeptical until im proven wrong. and if i am wrong ill be first to admit it and would be happy to admit it.

    27. Raf
      August 25th, 2010 | 2:06 pm

      BOHAN wrote:

      like mcgwire sosa and bonds???

      All three were known power hitters when they were in the minors.

      im gunnna be skeptical until im proven wrong. and if i am wrong ill be first to admit it and would be happy to admit it.

      The beauty of the whole PED argument is that there is no way to be proven wrong, nor is there a way to be proven right. Steroids have been around baseball since the 60′s and 70′s, if not the majors and minors, then at the collegiate level.

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