• Is It Time For Jeter To Man-Up?

    Posted by on August 31st, 2010 · Comments (19)

    Derek Jeter went 0 for 4 in the Yankees rout last night. And, coming into that contest, since June 2nd, his BA/OBA/SLG line was: .244/.322/.342 (in 355 PA).

    Yes, in his last 78 games, Derek Jeter is like a .240 hitter.

    That’s a half-season worth’s of games.

    Now, maybe Jeter is playing hurt. It’s very possible. But, that’s not a buddy pass on being accountable.

    At this point, isn’t it time for Derek Jeter to be a team leader and go into Joe Girardi’s office and say “Skip, I’m not getting it done and I haven’t been getting it done for the last three months. You have to move me down in the line-up. I don’t deserve to bat first or second. I should be batting closer to seventh. I’m not helping the team where I’m batting now the way that I’m hitting”?

    Comments on Is It Time For Jeter To Man-Up?

    1. clintfsu813
      August 31st, 2010 | 7:29 am

      Yes..yes he should.

    2. Jim TreshFan
      August 31st, 2010 | 7:40 am

      But he won’t. He won’t even admit he’s in a slump. The hits just aren’t falling in. And what bothers me is when one of his former teammates like Paul O’Neill or Tino Martinez are asked about it and respond “Well, you know Jeet’s gonna get hot and start goin’ on a tear like he does every year.” Yeah, riiiiight.

    3. Scout
      August 31st, 2010 | 8:13 am

      Pride makes it very difficult for once-great athletes to admit their bodies simply won’t let them continue to do what they have always done. They know that in the end time catches up with them. But they can usually convince themselves for a couple of years that the inevitable decline hasn’t yet started. What the numbers suggest and our eyes tell us is not what Jeter believes. I don’t think I can fault him for that.

      Jeter won’t ask to move down or to sit. The manager is going to have to tell him. And I don’t see that happening in the middle of a tight pennant race.

    4. cr1
      August 31st, 2010 | 8:57 am

      Actually we have no what Jeter has or has not said to or asked of Girardi, and we probably never will have.

      This post (and the comments up to now) represent imaginative speculation based on projections people have about Jeter, and as such they may tell us something about the writers and even about the general perception out there, but they tell us nothing about the private interactions of the very taciturn Jeter with his highly non-disclosing manager.

    5. cr1
      August 31st, 2010 | 8:59 am

      Oops, meant to say ‘no idea’.

    6. Jim TreshFan
      August 31st, 2010 | 9:20 am

      To the best of my memory it was some time in late July, 1994—just two weeks or so before the strike—that Don Mattingly swallowed his pride, surrendered his #3 position in the batting order, and began hitting 5th. No, we have no idea what the conversation (if any) between Girardi and Jeter has been. We just know what it should be. And I’m sure we’d all agree that if Derek “mans up” and volunteers to be dropped in the batting order Girardi will be very amenable to the proposal.

    7. Garcia
      August 31st, 2010 | 10:40 am

      As a huge Jeter supporter, I definitely think it’s time. Pride or not, if his most important mantra is “team first” then Girardi should talk to him and tell him it’s better for the team. When his OBP goes north of .349 then he can be put to the spot he’s accustomed to.

    8. August 31st, 2010 | 10:45 am

      Let’s not forget, that, while he’s a .240 hitter, most of that two-forty comes from the hitting benefits of the new Yankee Stadium. On the road this season, it’s as if Jeter is Jim Mason.

    9. Jim TreshFan
      August 31st, 2010 | 10:51 am

      @ Steve Lombardi:
      Hey, Jim Mason has the highest World Series BA/OBP/SA of any Yankee in history.

    10. August 31st, 2010 | 10:54 am

      @ Jim TreshFan: One of my fav stories: http://waswatching.com/2005/05/31/freakonomics-for-yankees/

    11. Molon Labe
      August 31st, 2010 | 11:25 am

      Why should a manager (especially one with both a recent MoY award and a fresh WS ring) require ANY player’s “permission” to devise an appropriate lineup?

      Defensively, according to Baseball Information Solutions’ “Runs Saved” metric, DJ’s 2010 score of -11 runs ranks 33rd among 35 AL shortstops rated.

      Offensively, BIS has a “clutch batting” metric (factoring score of game, inning, runners on base, outs, quality of opponent, position in standings). This year, DJ is a career-worst 8/51 (.157 BA), with five GIDP in such “clutch” at-bats; in contrast, during 6 of the past 7 seasons, he batted .320 or better in similar situations. Also, DJ is currently leading the league in Outs Made. His GIDP rate of 20% is well above the league average of 12%.

      If Girardi opts to play the Chicago card when negotiating his contract this off-season, then perhaps DJ & the NYY can save face and $$$ by offering DJ a player-manager contract, so that he can eventually phase himself out into Monument Park.

      It sucks to get old. Been there, done that…

    12. MJ Recanati
      August 31st, 2010 | 12:07 pm

      Molon Labe wrote:

      perhaps…NYY…can…[offer] DJ a player-manager contract…

      Good heavens no. If a player can’t recognize his own shortcomings as an employee, why would we want to give a player the ability to manage himself?

      If Girardi leaves the Yanks, he’ll be replaced by someone else. There’s no need to tax Jeter with the burden of managing as well as playing.

    13. Evan3457
      August 31st, 2010 | 12:33 pm

      Jeter also has a very large righty/lefty split this year:

      .245/.312/.323 vs. RHP
      .318/.378/.500 vs. LHP

      Gardner at leadoff?
      Swisher and Jeter platoon at #2, with Jeter dropping to #7 or #8, and everyone between Cano and Jeter moving up a spot?

    14. Jake1
      August 31st, 2010 | 3:23 pm

      The Jeter hate is off the charts this year. You make it seem like hes hitting .200. He’s at 270. Not awful.

      And live in the real world. He’s not moving out of the top 2 spots.

      Why in the world would Girardi ever do that? It would create a media firestorm and Jeter and the team would be bombarded with questions by media members who are dying for anything like that.

      What manager would make Jeter and the team deal with that crap?

      There is more to the game than the stat sheet.

    15. redbug
      August 31st, 2010 | 5:36 pm

      As has been pointed out, we have no idea what Girardi and Jeter have said to one another. We have no idea if Jeter is playing hurt. No idea if Girardi would rather have a hurt Jeter in the linup rather than no Jeter. Maybe he’s waiting for Arod to get back before resting Jeter. We don’t know.

      There were lots of calls for Girardi to move Tex out of the 3 hole during the 1st few months of the season. Didn’t happen.

      I agreed w/ Girardi re Tex, and I do w/ Jeter. Until this year, there’s no one I would rather have had at the plate than Jeter in a clutch situation. The Yanks are in 1st place. At the moment, they look like a lock for the PS. Get Arod back, let the young guys play SS and 2nd for a bit and Jeter and Cano get a few days off. Hope that Jeter finds his way. We could use him in the PS.

    16. Raf
      September 1st, 2010 | 3:51 am

      Jake1 wrote:

      There is more to the game than the stat sheet.

      The stat sheet is what counts, tho’

    17. Raf
      September 1st, 2010 | 3:53 am

      MJ Recanati wrote:

      If Girardi leaves the Yanks, he’ll be replaced by someone else.

      I think it’ll be Trey Hillman.

    18. Raf
      September 1st, 2010 | 3:55 am

      Personally, I don’t think Jeter will get moved out the leadoff spot. Maybe Girardi sees something, but seeing as Cervelli’s getting as much playing time as he has, maybe not…

    19. MJ Recanati
      September 1st, 2010 | 8:18 am

      Raf wrote:

      I think it’ll be Trey Hillman.

      I certainly hope not. If the goddamn Royals quit on you — a team full of guys that need the jobs they’ve got because they’re closer to out of the game than in it — that tells me something about your ability to relate to the people you’re supposed to be managing. The very young and the journeymen types should be the easiest to relate to.

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