• Javy Vazquez’ Place In Bad Cashman Starter History

    Posted by on September 24th, 2010 · Comments (3)

    Here’s a list of Yankees pitchers since 1998 who made at least 25 starts in a season where their ERA+ was less than 107:

    Rk Player ERA+ GS Year Age G W L W-L% IP ERA HR OPS+
    1 David Cone 70 29 2000 37 30 4 14 .222 155.0 6.91 25 125
    2 Javier Vazquez 85 25 2010 34 32 10 9 .526 152.2 5.07 29 109
    3 A.J. Burnett 85 31 2010 33 31 10 14 .417 178.1 5.05 22 113
    4 Mike Mussina 88 27 2007 38 28 11 10 .524 152.0 5.15 14 111
    5 Randy Johnson 90 33 2006 42 33 17 11 .607 205.0 5.00 28 85
    6 Joba Chamberlain 90 31 2009 23 32 9 6 .600 157.1 4.75 21 113
    7 Javier Vazquez 92 32 2004 28 32 14 10 .583 198.0 4.91 33 96
    8 Mike Mussina 96 30 2005 36 30 13 8 .619 179.2 4.41 23 105
    9 Hideki Irabu 98 27 1999 30 32 11 7 .611 169.1 4.84 26 91
    10 Andy Pettitte 98 33 2008 36 33 14 14 .500 204.0 4.54 19 98
    11 Mike Mussina 98 27 2004 35 27 12 9 .571 164.2 4.59 22 97
    12 Phil Hughes 100 28 2010 24 29 17 8 .680 169.1 4.31 25 88
    13 Andy Pettitte 101 31 1999 27 31 14 11 .560 191.2 4.70 20 107
    14 Jaret Wright 101 27 2006 30 30 11 7 .611 140.1 4.49 10 98
    15 Roger Clemens 102 29 2002 39 29 13 6 .684 180.0 4.35 18 89
    16 Roger Clemens 103 30 1999 36 30 14 10 .583 187.2 4.60 20 91
    17 Andy Pettitte 103 32 2009 37 32 14 8 .636 194.2 4.16 20 92
    18 Jon Lieber 104 27 2004 34 27 14 8 .636 176.2 4.33 20 97
    19 Andy Pettitte 104 32 1998 26 33 16 11 .593 216.1 4.24 20 95
    20 A.J. Burnett 106 33 2009 32 33 13 9 .591 207.0 4.04 25 94
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    Generated 9/24/2010.

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    Actually, as bad as Vazquez “this season” is here, at number two, what does it say that A.J. Burnett “this season” is right there with him? Heck, Phil Hughes “this season” is just league average here too – with an ERA+ of 100 (on the nose). Forget the Cy Young Award…maybe CC Sabathia should get the A.L. MVP for carrying the Yankees starting staff this season?

    Comments on Javy Vazquez’ Place In Bad Cashman Starter History

    1. MJ Recanati
      September 24th, 2010 | 1:58 pm

      I’m just a little unclear as to why the cut-off criteria would be “ERA+ < 107".

      If 100 is league average then why would average (or better) be on this list?

      Separately, if we distill the list down to just the names themselves:

      David Cone
      Javier Vazquez
      AJ Burnett
      Mike Mussina
      Randy Johnson
      Joba Chamberlain
      Hideki Irabu
      Andy Pettitte
      Phil Hughes
      Jaret Wright
      Roger Clemens
      Jon Lieber

      I'm not sure we get a whole lot of meaning out of this list. Are we going to start holding Clemens, Cone, Mussina against Cashman too? Really?

    2. September 24th, 2010 | 2:05 pm

      MJ Recanati wrote:

      I’m just a little unclear as to why the cut-off criteria would be “ERA+ < 107".

      Simple, I ran the query asking for Yankees since 1998 with 25+ GS ranked by lowest ERA+, and, then, I cut it off at the “Top 20″ which drew the line at 107. Granted, agreed, anything above 100 is good. So, numbers 13 to 17 on this last ain’t bad.

      Of course, another point, the 25+ GS cut off takes out all those guys like Pavano, Igawa, Kennedy, etc., who were so bad that they didn’t get to 25 GS.

    3. MJ Recanati
      September 24th, 2010 | 2:39 pm

      @ Steve Lombardi:
      Gotcha. So if an ERA+ of 99 or lower is considered “below average” then this list should really be concerned with everyone ranked #1-#11.

      Given that, we’re talking about David Cone, Javier Vazquez, AJ Burnett, Mike Mussina, Randy Johnson, Joba Chamberlain and Andy Pettitte in the specific seasons which register on this list.

      The “GS ≥ 25″ filter does properly remove spot-starter types (Tim Redding, for example) but it also eliminates the truly horrible that were so bad they didn’t earn a chance to show up on the list (Kei Igawa, for example).

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