• Do You Know Miranda?

    Posted by on November 18th, 2010 · Comments (14)

    Well, if you don’t…too late…he’s gone.

    The Yankees have traded Juan Miranda to the Diamondbacks for pitcher Scott Allen.

    Comments on Do You Know Miranda?

    1. Corey Italiano
      November 18th, 2010 | 3:06 pm

      Better than cutting Miranda, I suppose. Anyone know anything about Allen?

    2. MJ Recanati
      November 18th, 2010 | 3:14 pm

      This is who they got in return:

      http://tinyurl.com/27sybwc

      Beyond that, all I know is that the D-Backs drafted him in the 11th round of the 2009 draft and gave him a $125K bonus. He wasn’t counted among Arizona’s top-30 prospects in 2010 according to Baseball America (although that doesn’t mean anything) so the Yankees have acquired a young righty arm with at least three more years of minor league control in exchange for a guy that had no place on the MLB roster and was buried on the 1st base depth chart.

      It’s a very minor move but it accomplishes what it was intended to do: clear a spot on the Yankees’ 40-man roster in exchange for some decent upside on another young arm.

    3. Corey Italiano
      November 18th, 2010 | 3:19 pm

      @ MJ Recanati:
      I like the K totals, but it must be taken with a grain of salt since its the low level minor leagues.

      I wonder what he throws…

      Did I mention that I hate winter(and it’s not even winter yet)? Bring on the spring already!

    4. November 18th, 2010 | 3:36 pm

      This is a brillant move by the Yankees. Why? Brian Cashman made it. And, he only makes brilliant moves where it’s always in the Yankees favor!! ;-)

    5. MJ Recanati
      November 18th, 2010 | 3:43 pm

      @ Corey Italiano:
      I’ve looked everywhere, including AZDB scouting blogs, and can’t find much press on him. Joel Sherman tweeted something about being a fastball/curveball guy that throws between 88-93 but Sherman knows next to nothing so I’d like to know his source on that information before I start quoting it.

      @ Steve Lombardi:
      Did anyone claim this was a brilliant move by Cashman? Since no one claimed that, your whining only makes you look bad.

    6. MJ Recanati
      November 18th, 2010 | 3:44 pm

      @ Steve Lombardi:
      Please point out why you think it’s a bad move before you try to use your sarcasm to imply that it was a bad move.

    7. November 18th, 2010 | 3:56 pm

      MJ Recanati wrote:

      Did anyone claim this was a brilliant move by Cashman?

      Yes.

      MJ Recanati wrote:

      It’s a very minor move but it accomplishes what it was intended to do: clear a spot on the Yankees’ 40-man roster in exchange for some decent upside on another young arm.

    8. MJ Recanati
      November 18th, 2010 | 4:14 pm

      @ Steve Lombardi:
      I said it was a brilliant move? Really? All I said was that it accomplished a goal of clearing a spot on the 40-man roster.

      I didn’t say the Yankees acquired a good player. I didn’t say the Yankees got rid of a guy that sucked.

      A goal of getting something in exchange for Juan Miranda — a player that had to be moved or exposed to waivers — was set and that goal was accomplished. Goal accomplishment does not equate to brilliance, I never said anything of the sort, and I’m surprised you made a connection where there was no connection to make.

      You’re so scared of Cashman doing something good that you automatically rail against everything he does, even if what he does is largely insignificant (as this move was).

    9. November 19th, 2010 | 9:33 am

      @ MJ Recanati:

      Here’s the deal. In your effort to seek any way to glorify Cashman, you put on blinders and forgot the cost behind this move.

      Cashman spent millions to acquire Miranda and then wasted FOUR YEARS of full-time playing time in the minors on the guy – taking away PA from other potential prospects. And, in the end, he traded him for an organizational filler pitcher just to clear a roster spot.

      You see the freed up roster spot and want to trumpet this as a smart move.

      I see the millions of dollars and time wasted on the front end of this – all Cashman driven…for those who are willing to recall it.

    10. Raf
      November 19th, 2010 | 10:05 am

      Steve Lombardi wrote:

      Cashman spent millions to acquire Miranda and then wasted FOUR YEARS of full-time playing time in the minors on the guy – taking away PA from other potential prospects. And, in the end, he traded him for an organizational filler pitcher just to clear a roster spot.

      We’ve been through this before. Miranda did not take time away from “other potential prospects”, that’s not how it works in the minors. Did you even see his minor league numbers? This isn’t Eric Duncan we’re talking about here.

      Miranda will get playing time in AZ either as a starting 1b or an option off the bench. Speaking of options, that’s the reason behind the trade (or at least one of them), he was out of options.

    11. MJ Recanati
      November 19th, 2010 | 10:34 am

      @ Steve Lombardi:
      Who glorified Cashman? You’ve lost your mind, Steve. I said the move achieved its goal. The goal was to clear a spot on the 40-man roster because Miranda was out of minor league options and either had to be exposed to waivers (and lost with nothing coming back in return) or promoted to the 25-man roster on a team where he wasn’t going to play over Teixeira or Swisher at first base.

      The goal was achieved in that the Yankees moved Miranda and got back something in return. Beyond that, I have no idea what you’re talking about.

      The Yankees spent a total of $2.07M in salary and bonuses on Miranda for the four years he was in the organization, or an average of $517,500 per year. The money was clearly not an outsized investment. As to players that Cashman supposedly buried by playing Miranda…I’m waiting for you to tell me which first basemen over the past four years got marginalized in the organization by the team’s investment in Miranda.

    12. MJ Recanati
      November 19th, 2010 | 10:37 am

      Raf wrote:

      Miranda did not take time away from “other potential prospects”, that’s not how it works in the minors. Did you even see his minor league numbers?

      Exactly. Not only were there not other prospects that were pushed aside for Miranda (the Yanks didn’t have any 1B prospects, as far as I could tell), but Miranda hit well enough to justify his playing time. Frankly, to have benched him in favor of these so-called phantom prospects that Steve is alluding to would’ve been a disservice to Miranda and the organization.

    13. Raf
      November 19th, 2010 | 10:55 am

      MJ Recanati wrote:

      promoted to the 25-man roster on a team where he wasn’t going to play over Teixeira or Swisher at first base.

      Nor will he start over Posada @ DH. I think he can offer the Diamondbacks more than what he would’ve probably offered the Yanks in 2011. IIRC, Chase Field is conducive to hitting so this should work out well for Miranda. It doesn’t hurt that Towers saw him up front and close either.

    14. MJ Recanati
      November 19th, 2010 | 12:37 pm

      Raf wrote:

      Nor will he start over Posada @ DH.

      Exactly. Whatever Miranda might turn into at the big league level, it wasn’t realistically going to be with the Yankees since they didn’t have a need (or an opening) at 1B and/or DH.

      Raf wrote:

      I think he can offer the Diamondbacks more than what he would’ve probably offered the Yanks in 2011. IIRC, Chase Field is conducive to hitting so this should work out well for Miranda. It doesn’t hurt that Towers saw him up front and close either.

      Agreed. And while it might’ve been nice to get a bit more in return for Miranda, the truth is that the Yanks had no leverage in this situation. He was either going to get picked up via waivers or the Yanks could take whatever someone would offer.

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