Well, here’s one way to place a number on it.
And, of course, this doesn’t factor in all those jerseys and T-shirts sold with a “2″ on the back of them since 1996…
Wow! I had no idea that Jorge Posada had such huge numbers. When his contract runs out after 2011 the Yankees better look like they’re offering him a big, fat multi-year deal or he might just walk to be the starting catcher for some other pennant contender.
Gee, it’s too bad Jeter took MLB minimum for all those years. If only he had shown a little more pride, he might even been the second-highest-paid player of all time or something!
Why don’t you compare the WAR stats to other MLB players during that time frame? Of course Jeter’s going to be No. 1 for the Yankees — he’s the only regular hitter who played that long on the team.
Albert Pujols, a truly underpaid player given his stats, has an 83.8 WAR since his career began in 2001.
And A-Rod’s career WAR is 101.9, with higher numbers (40.9 vs. 32.5) than Jeter from 2004-on.
Or how about comparing Jeter’s 70.5 WAR number against other Yankee legends?
Babe Ruth: 172 (149.6 in 15 years as a Yankee)
Joe DiMaggio: 83.6 in 13 years
Mickey Mantle: 120.2 in 18 years
Lou Gehrig: 118.4 in 17 years
What I feel is this: If you’re going to pay a player—any player—for what Jeter is asking and you’re NOT the Yankees that player better have “Albert Pujols” on his driver’s license.
And, according to Baseball-Reference, Jeter has earned $205,430,000 in salary since 1996. And, of course, this doesn’t include all the money he’s earned in endorsements which are largely derived from playing on the most famous sports team in the United States.
This is so funny. When A-Rod doesn’t produce to his 2007 levels and fans complain about his salary, the fans of A-Rod say who cares how much he makes, as long as he’s contributing, in some way, to a winning team. And, to the Yankees, money doesn’t matter, yadda, yadda.
But, now, when it comes to Jeter, it’s all about the money – how much he has earned and how much he wants.
@ Steve Lombardi:
The two players have been on the same team since the 2004 season. How many times has Jeter matched or exceeded Rodriguez’s production?
@ Steve Lombardi:
Not really the same situation. The A-Rod contract (1) was signed coming off an otherworldly, incredible season and (2) is already in the books and can’t be undone. The Jeter contract (1) will be signed coming off his worst season and (2) can still be negotiated.
No one ever said the contract the Yanks gave to A-Rod made sense. That’s never been a point of debate. But given the season he had just completed in 2007 and the fact that nothing can be done about it now, there’s really not much sense worrying about it or trying to use it as a benchmark to the Jeter negotiations.
Jeter picked a bad time to have a bad year and is still being offered the highest contract in baseball at his position. Had he been a free agent after the 2009 season, he’d be entitled to ask for more. Sucks for him that he signed a 10-year deal instead of a 9-year deal…
As another blog put it (can’t remember where I saw it), if Jeter wants an A-Rod contract, then the Yanks should offer him the same $30M incentives for the milestone HR’s at 715, 762, 800, etc.
That should highlight the difference between the two players pretty well, no?
@ Steve Lombardi:
A-Rod got overpaid in 2007. None of us deny that. And giving him a 10-year contract was a bad precedent.
But he also was 32 years old, came off an MVP season, and had the best Yankee year since the days of Mantle and Maris. Losing him them would have cost the team in production.
Jeter, on the other hand, is 36, had the worst season of his career, and he hasn’t adapted to aging, if that Keith Olbermann piece you posted is accurate.
But at any rate, when A-Rod opted out, I was furious. And if he had left the Yankees then, he would have been dead to me. And there is no way in the world I would have ever rooted for him to win a World Series with another team and stick it to the Yankees. Ever.
Many people have made good points above.
Let me addd a couple of thoughts…
1) Jeter got paid about $175 million over the last 9 seasons. His on-field value to the Yankees, over those 9 yesrs, as computed by Fangraphs, based on their version of WAR: $152 million. Now, I’m sure he’s helped them make a ton of ancillary money. The question becomes, a) how much?, and b)what % of that ‘ton’ can be attributed to Jeter? Maybe they’re $1 billion better off than they were in 1995. How much is due to Jeter? 5%, maybe? O.K.; that’s $50 million more ‘credit’ to Jeter. The Yanks are entitled to some profit on their ‘Jeter Investment’. Maybe 5-10%? Jeter’s on-field ledger is -$23 million. Tack on another -$12 million from this deal (at best), and he’s -$35 million. The Yanks wind up +$15 million on their roughly $175 million investment, which is a profit margin of, guess what? A little over 8%.
2) A-Rod’s contract is awful, but everyone knew, when it was signed, that the Yanks would be hemorraghing $ from that deal no later than 2014, if not sooner. The only good news for the team there is that the contract is relatively front-loaded, and with inflation coming up hard on the outside, the back-end $ will be relatively cheaper to pay. There is no reason to repeat this blunder by giving Jeter an equally egrregious deal. None.
It’s not fair that”A-Rod the Dick” get the big bucks when he’s no longer worth it, and “Jeter the Good” doesn’t? Too damn bad. Life isn’t fair. A-Rod got there 1st and sucked up all the $$$$; there’s naught left to outragoeusly overpay Jeter with, not while signing Lee, and staying under Hal’s payroll cap. Hank won’t be able to idiotically bail Close and Jeter out as he did with Boras and A-Rod. His sorry performance there got the adults in the room to take the car keys away from BlunderBoss.
3) As to the tone of negotiations, people should get over that; it’s very normal. Very, under the background circumstances of ths negotiation. Jeter may never get over it. So be it.
4) Jeter will get pissed off. He might sign with another team. He might even play great for another year or two. If he picks the right team and gets lucky, he might even win a last ring or two, while the Yanks struggle.
And none of that; not one little bit of it, proves Jeter right, and the Yanks or Hal, or Trost, or Levine, or even Cashman wrong. It would not be a smart move to offer a declining 36-year shortstop a 4,5, or 6-year deal for $18 milllion or more even if the ghosts of Branch Rickey and George Weiss visit Cashman on Christmas Eve, dragging along a heavy coil of chain and lockboxes, and moan and shreik their assent.
Somebody else on the B-R thread averaged out position players’ WAR per 600 plate appearances: Jeter was fourth, after A-Rod, Tex, and Posada.
The same person also figured out where Jeter’s WAR ranked each year with the entire team. He said that, “out of 15 seasons, Jeter has four 1sts, two 2nds, three 4ths, one 5th, two 7ths, two 9ths, and one 13th (this year).” A-Rod had four 1sts, Pettitte had two, Mussina had two, Giambi had one, and Posada and Cano had one.
One other WAR note. from Joe Posnanski:
According to Baseball Reference’s WAR, Derek Jeter was the 10th most valuable player over the last 10 years:
1. Albert Pujols, 83.8 WAR
2. Alex Rodriguez, 64.8
3. Barry Bonds, 55.7 (despite only playing about six seasons)
4. Ichiro Suzuki, 55.2
5. Carlos Beltran, 51.1
6. Chipper Jones, 47.5
7. Scott Rolen, 46.6
8. Todd Helton, 44.7
9. Lance Berkman, 43.8
10. Derek Jeter, 43.1
You know what this means. The Yanks better sign Lance Berkman now!
Or it means the Jeter has the highest shortsstop WAR
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