• It’s Not Just A Ford Jeter’s Driving Home

    Posted by on December 8th, 2010 · Comments (5)

    …it’s his teammates, too.

    With all the attention surrounding Jeter’s new deal I did a little checking on his career numbers and noticed that over the last 3 years had 69, 66, and 67 RBIs, and that if he collects 65 more rib-eyes in 2011 he’ll reach 1,200 for his career.  Now that might not seem like a lot to some of us but it’s more than Rocky Colavito or Joe Torre or Jack Clark—none of whom were slouches.  Heck, Chuck Klein, a Hall of Famer and a triple crown winner had a career total of 1,201 RBIs.  Or take George Foster.  He played 18 years in the majors, drove in 90 or more runs 7 times, even led the league 3 straight years, and retired with a career total of 1,239.  So, yeah, 1,200 career RBIs is rather significant.

       It’s even more significant when you realize that of Jeter’s thus far 9,322 career ABs only 509 (5.5%) have come while batting 3rd, 4th or 5th.   Just think of the great Yankee teams of 1996-2001.  Their 3rd, 4th and 5th batters were basically Paul O’Neill (1,269 RBIs), Bernie Williams (1,257) and Tino Martinez (1,271).  Good career totals all; but Jeter’s going to blow by them.

       So I got to wondering:  Who’s the big RBI man among hitters who didn’t bat 3rd, 4th or 5th for his career?   There’s Robin Yount.   1,406 career RBIs.   But he had over 3,200 ABs batting 3rd, 4th or 5th (about 35% of his career total).   Pudge Rodriguez has 1,313, but he’s had about 33.3% of his ABs from the middle of the order. Ditto Paul Molitor: 1,307 RBIs and 32.6% of his ABs from the RBI slots.  Now 33% or so might not seem like a heck of a lot at first blush, but it’s the equivalent in these cases of about 5 or 6 full seasons; and it is a heck of a lot more than Jeter who will be pushing  1,300 by the end of his current contract.  So that just leaves Pete Rose—unless I’m missing someone—with a career total of 1,314 RBIs while batting leadoff almost his entire career.   That’s 178 RBIs more than Jeter at this moment, and a possible target for him over the next 3 years. So will Jeter become the all time RBI leader for non-RBI men?   An oddish honor perhaps, but an honor nonetheless.

    Comments on It’s Not Just A Ford Jeter’s Driving Home

    1. #15
      December 8th, 2010 | 6:13 am

      Nice. By comparison Ricky Henderson had 1115 in ~ 2800 more PA. DJ will have to work long and hard to catch Ricky’s 2295 all-time runs scored record.

    2. Jim TreshFan
      December 8th, 2010 | 9:37 am

      @ #15:
      Rickey’s record looks safe for the moment, doesn’t it? But Jeter is piling up numbers there as well. another 115 Runs Scored will give him 1,800 for his career—that’s more than Ted Williams or Honus Wagner—and will put him on the road to 1,900. And that’s significant because there are currently only 9 players with 1,900 career Runs Scored. If you’re interested, the All Time Yankee record is 1,959 by Babe Ruth. That’s 274 more than Jeter has now—a little more than 91 runs a year over the next 3 years. Go, Derek!

    3. December 8th, 2010 | 10:27 am

      Based on these two queries:

      http://bbref.com/pi/shareit/QN1Gr

      http://bbref.com/pi/shareit/gaYFF

      I think Jeter has to fight it out with Rickey, Rose, Damon, Biggio and Brock for the RBI title…at first blush.

    4. Jim TreshFan
      December 8th, 2010 | 10:49 am

      @ Steve Lombardi:
      Good catch. Here’s the pertinent numbers for the five players involved.

      CAREER RBIs BATTING 1st or 2nd
      ______________________________

      PLAYER AT BATS RBIs
      Pete Rose 12,694 1145
      Rickey Henderson 10,805 1102
      Derek Jeter 8,257 993
      Johnny Damon 7,608 883
      Lou Brock 9,386 779

    5. MJ Recanati
      December 8th, 2010 | 11:15 am

      Jim TreshFan wrote:

      CAREER RBIs BATTING 1st or 2nd
      ______________________________
      PLAYER AT BATS RBIs
      Pete Rose 12,694 1145
      Rickey Henderson 10,805 1102
      Derek Jeter 8,257 993
      Johnny Damon 7,608 883
      Lou Brock 9,386 779

      Based on this, it still seems like Jeter is in pretty good position to pass Rose if he can even average 55 RBI/season over the next three years.

      Not too shabby at all. He’ll never be confused with Rickey Henderson but Jeter definitey did his share of damage as a top-of-the-order bat.

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