• Pedro Feliciano

    Posted by on December 16th, 2010 · Comments (18)

    Yanks are reportedly close to signing Pedro Feliciano.

    Well, he’s durable. And, New York won’t sneak up on him – he knows the town. I just hope this doesn’t turn out to be another Cashman “can’t miss, proven LOOGY” move like Gabe White and Damaso Marte…where the guy just loses it once he becomes a Yankee.

    Comments on Pedro Feliciano

    1. G.I. Joey
      December 16th, 2010 | 12:48 pm

      I’m by no means a big Marte fan, but the guy got us some HUGE outs during the 2009 playoffs and WS.

    2. MJ Recanati
      December 16th, 2010 | 1:30 pm

      Depending on the money, signing Feliciano could either be a totally neutral move or a spectacular failure.

      Then again, signing Feliciano tells me that the team wants a safety net for Boone Logan, should the clock strike midnight on him.

    3. G.I. Joey
      December 16th, 2010 | 1:55 pm

      I never felt good about just rocking with one lefty arm in the pen and I thought the Yankees would may a play for Scott Downs, but that ship has sailed.

    4. G.I. Joey
      December 16th, 2010 | 1:56 pm

      *make a play

    5. December 16th, 2010 | 2:38 pm

      @ MJ Recanati:
      You know why they want two LOOGYs in the pen?

      Drew, Gonzalez, Crawford, Papi, and Ellsbury.

    6. MJ Recanati
      December 16th, 2010 | 2:55 pm

      @ Steve Lombardi:
      I guess. But I’m not too worried about three of those five names.

    7. MJ Recanati
      December 16th, 2010 | 2:56 pm

      G.I. Joey wrote:

      thought the Yankees would make a play for Scott Downs

      I’m glad they didn’t. Giving up a first round draft pick for a reliever is the height of stupidity. Anaheim, however, never learns…

    8. Rich M
      December 16th, 2010 | 4:31 pm

      @ MJ Recanati:
      The Angels dont give up a pick for signing Downs. It is in the top 15 and is protected from free agent compensation.

    9. MJ Recanati
      December 16th, 2010 | 4:34 pm

      Rich M wrote:

      The Angels dont give up a pick for signing Downs. It is in the top 15 and is protected from free agent compensation.

      Right. But had the Yanks signed Downs, they would’ve given up a pick. That’s what I was commenting on.

      Also, not for nothing but how many expensive relievers do the Angels need? They have holes galore on that team but their GM is stockpiling the most fungible asset of all. Color me unimpressed with Tony Reagins as a GM…

    10. Rich M
      December 16th, 2010 | 4:52 pm

      @ MJ Recanati:
      I’m not impressed with Reagins either. But in that division it wont take much to compete. It will be interesting to see if Texas can repeat what they did this year. How will their young arms respond to all the extra playoff innings next year? I think the Angels have a starting staff that will be above average. Especially when you get to face the lineups in Seattle and Oakland.

    11. MJ Recanati
      December 16th, 2010 | 4:59 pm

      @ Rich M:
      Haren, Weaver, Santana, Pineiro is definitely a good enough rotation to compete in that division. The problem, of course, is that the Angels are trotting out one hell of a shoddy lineup.

      Even if they add Adrian Beltre — and, really, what the hell are they waiting for? — they’re still giving AB’s to Erick Aybar, Jeff Mathis, Juan Rivera and Howie Kendrick. Roughly half of their everyday lineup is below-average.

      Getting Kendry Morales back to play 1B should help but we already know Scioscia hates Mike Napoli so Morales’s return may end up blocking Napoli at 1B where he played after Morales went down.

      If you ask me, the Angels are a bit of a mess from a 25-man roster perspective.

    12. Rich M
      December 16th, 2010 | 5:28 pm

      @ MJ Recanati:
      I just looked at their numbers from last year. I had no idea they were that bad. The only time I see them play is when they play the Yanks, and they hit .298/.374/.469 last year.

    13. Evan3457
      December 16th, 2010 | 5:39 pm

      Steve Lombardi wrote:
      I just hope this doesn’t turn out to be another Cashman “can’t miss, proven LOOGY” move like Gabe White and Damaso Marte…where the guy just loses it once he becomes a Yankee.

      You know what? None of these guys come with “money-back guarantees”.

      Pitchers are inherently risky; relievers are more volatile in performance than established starters; set-up and middle relievers are more volatile than established closers, most of whom last 3 years or less in that job.

      All you can do is try to load the odds in your favor; Feliciano has proved he’s both durable, and effective against left-hand hitting. Will his performance transfer from the NL East to the AL East, from Citifield to Yankee Stadium? Nobody knows for sure. However, the odds would seem to be better than they’d be for most relievers.

      Having said that, buying free agent relievers is a losing proposition most of the time.

      ….and Marte didn’t “lose” anything on coming to the Yanks, except the ability to stay off the DL. His performance in post-season 2009 demonstrated that quite conclusively.

    14. December 16th, 2010 | 7:59 pm

      Great, the Chan Ho Park of 2011 is about to be signed.

    15. Evan3457
      December 16th, 2010 | 9:24 pm

      Joseph Maloney wrote:

      Great, the Chan Ho Park of 2011 is about to be signed.

      Well, yeah, they’re exactly the same.

      Except that Liriano has succeeded in New York.
      Oh, and that he’s been a good reliever for 3 years, not 2/3 of 1 year.
      Oh, and he’s a LOOGY, and not a multi-inning set-up man.
      And that he’s got a fine record in High Leverage situations.
      And a record of 43-37-14-4-13-41 in 44 games vs. AL foes.
      And a career 2.25 ERA in 12 innings at the various Yankee Stadia.

      But, yeah, other than that, they’re the same.

      Having said all that, he can still bust.

    16. Evan3457
      December 16th, 2010 | 9:25 pm

      Make that 5 years, not 3.

    17. December 16th, 2010 | 10:57 pm

      @ Evan3457< @ Evan3457:

      He sure didn’t set the world on fire last year. Cashman is having a great postseason so far, signing a 37 year old shortstop, a catcher with a bad hip and now getting this guy. At this rate it will be a miracle if they make the postseason next year.

    18. Evan3457
      December 17th, 2010 | 1:47 am

      As if there was ever any chance they wouldn’t sign Jeter. As if they were just going to hand the job to Nunez.

      Martin is, at worst a stop-gap, to keep Cervelli from starting 100 games at catcher. At best, he’ll be a significant improvement on Cervelli, holding the fort until the organization thinks Montero is ready.

      As for Feliciano, Baseball Prospectus think he had the 2nd best year of his career in terms of WAR. Even adjusting for the opposition he faced, he was about as good as David Robertson, and better than Joba. Same thing for Baseball Refernce’s WAR, and Fangraphs WAR has him as better than Robertson but not Joba.

      As for making the post-season in 2011, let’s recap here. Javy Vazquez is gone, and that’s at least as much a plus as a minus. The Red Sox have improved slightly over last year’s finishing team, they’ll get extra value from Pedroia and Youkillis because they probably won’t be out of the lineup as often. Let’s assume everyone’s right, and the Sox are better, and will win the division.

      On the other hand, the Rays have to be worse. Johnson won’t outhit Pena in spite of Pena’s low average; Pena is the better glove. Brignac is probably a better hitter than Barrett, not as good a fielder. Jennings is a terrific prospect; odds that he gives the Rays the same production as Crawford this year? Nearly zero. Their rotation is intact, but their bullpen got blowed up REAL GOOD. Where are the Rays improving this year? Maybe Longoria moves forward? Maybe Zobrist gets some of 2009 back? It appears likely the Rays and Sox have changed places right now, with the Yanks in the middle.

      As for the Yanks, Tex, Jeter, A-Rod and Granderson are likely to have better years; Swisher a worse year. Burnett can’t be as bad this year as last. Pettitte won’t be as good, but the net effect will be a wash, because when he was out, he was replaced by Nova and Moseley. I think it very likely the Yanks will win 90 games as they are presently constituted, and could win 95 again, especially if they add some decent pieces in the pen, on the bench, and somewhere along the line, in the back of the rotation.

      The Angels won’t scare me unless they make up their minds and sign Beltre. The A’s will be somewhat better on offense, but will the league catch up some to their young pitchers? Especially Cahill, who pitched well over his raw stats. The Tigers and White Sox look tough, especially the Sox, who’ve added Dunn. But I don’t think any of these 4 teams is obviously better than the Yanks.

      Players are not static lines. Their performance goes up and down. Some key Yankees were down last year, some will bounce up this year.

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      Cashmen went after Lee, but Lee wanted the Phillies. There was no reason to spend $120-140 million on an outfielder.

      Aside from Werth, Crawford and Lee, what prime free agent did Cashman not get? What player should he have traded for?

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