• The Worst Yankees Starting Staffs Since 2001

    Posted by on December 20th, 2010 · Comments (9)

    Here’s one way to slice it:

    Rk Year Lg Tm #Matching  
    1 2010 AL New York Yankees 3 A.J. Burnett / Dustin Moseley / Javier Vazquez
    2 2008 AL New York Yankees 3 Andy Pettitte / Sidney Ponson / Darrell Rasner
    3 2005 AL New York Yankees 3 Al Leiter / Mike Mussina / Carl Pavano
    4 2004 AL New York Yankees 3 Jose Contreras / Mike Mussina / Javier Vazquez
    5 2006 AL New York Yankees 2 Shawn Chacon / Randy Johnson
    6 2001 AL New York Yankees 2 Orlando Hernandez / Ted Lilly
    7 2009 AL New York Yankees 1 Joba Chamberlain
    8 2007 AL New York Yankees 1 Mike Mussina
    9 2003 AL New York Yankees 1 Jeff Weaver
    10 2002 AL New York Yankees 0  
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    The slice: Yankees teams from 2001 to 2010 – show pitchers with ERA+ <=99 with at least 15 games & at least 50% GS

    Think 2011 will match the high mark here with 3+ pitchers making the list?  Probably.  Shoot, this might just be the year we see 4 such pitchers on a Yankees team.  When was the last time that happened? That would be 1991. A long, long time ago…

    Rk Year Lg Tm #Matching  
    1 1990 AL New York Yankees 5 Chuck Cary / Andy Hawkins / Dave LaPoint / Tim Leary / Mike Witt
    2 1991 AL New York Yankees 4 Dave Eiland / Jeff Johnson / Tim Leary / Wade Taylor
    3 2010 AL New York Yankees 3 A.J. Burnett / Dustin Moseley / Javier Vazquez
    4 2008 AL New York Yankees 3 Andy Pettitte / Sidney Ponson / Darrell Rasner
    5 2005 AL New York Yankees 3 Al Leiter / Mike Mussina / Carl Pavano
    6 2004 AL New York Yankees 3 Jose Contreras / Mike Mussina / Javier Vazquez
    7 1992 AL New York Yankees 3 Scott Kamieniecki / Tim Leary / Scott Sanderson
    8 1989 AL New York Yankees 3 Greg Cadaret / Andy Hawkins / Dave LaPoint
    9 1988 AL New York Yankees 3 Richard Dotson / Tommy John / Rick Rhoden
    10 1982 AL New York Yankees 3 Doyle Alexander / Roger Erickson / Mike Morgan
    11 1979 AL New York Yankees 3 Jim Beattie / Ed Figueroa / Catfish Hunter
    12 1973 AL New York Yankees 3 Pat Dobson / Sam McDowell / Fritz Peterson
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    Comments on The Worst Yankees Starting Staffs Since 2001

    1. Ryan81
      December 20th, 2010 | 8:16 pm

      Inspiring.

    2. MJ Recanati
      December 20th, 2010 | 8:29 pm

      In the four instances where the team had at least three pitchers post an ERA+ of 99 or worse with at least 15 games started (I think that was your search string), the Yankees made the playoffs in three of those instances and the ALCS twice. So, clearly, “the worst Yankee starting staff” in each of those years didn’t dramatically impact the Yankees overall fortunes.

    3. Ryan81
      December 20th, 2010 | 8:59 pm

      @ MJ Recanati:
      A 200 million dollar payroll does that. It also helps when you have 2 of the top 10 greatest shortstops of all time and one of them just happens to play 3rd base.

      But on a more serious note, this team for the past decade has been built on offense. The Yankees have lived and died on offense. So it comes to no surprise that most of the Yankees’ successes next year will be mainly because of the offense (and CC and Rivera).

    4. MJ Recanati
      December 20th, 2010 | 9:29 pm

      Ryan81 wrote:

      this team for the past decade has been built on offense

      Yep. The Yanks should score enough runs to hit their way into October. Once they get there, it’s anyone’s guess. But the point is that the Yanks have the lineup to get to October so all the doom-and-gloom is premature.

    5. Evan3457
      December 21st, 2010 | 1:07 am

      What’s interesting there is the criteria used: 15 games and more than 50% of appearances starts, which gets 2010 Dustin Moseley in under the wire, but leaves out 2009 Chien-Ming Wang and 2009 Sergio Mitre. Fancy that.

      Why? Only because Moseley pitched decently enough to get 7 games in relief, while Wang and Mitre both were crappy enough to get only 3 games in relief. Moseley got used because Pettitte was hurt, not because he was actually in the rotation.

      The 2009 starters were slightly better than lg. avg. OPS+: 98. The 2010 starters were slightly worse: OPS+: 103.

      To be sure, AJ and Vazquez were horrendous last year, but the Yanks 5th starter slot was even worse in 2009, and Chamberlain fell apart after August. You’ll recall why the Yanks went to a 3 man rotation in the post-season, right?

    6. BOHAN
      December 21st, 2010 | 1:25 am

      Can someone explain to me what ERA+ and OPS+ is and how its calculated??? and if you can make it as simple as posslible that would be great.

    7. Raf
      December 21st, 2010 | 10:07 am

      @ BOHAN:
      ERA+ and OPS+ are relative to league average

      > 100: better than league average
      < 100: worse than league average

      OPS+: 100*[OBP/lg OBP + SLG/lg SLG - 1]
      ERA+: 100*[lgERA/ERA]

    8. Mr. Sparkle
      December 21st, 2010 | 2:26 pm

      Looking at it mathematically is OK, I guess. But I watched all these teams and I will say with 100% certainty that the 2008 staff is by far the worst. Darrell Rasner was the #3 starter for most of the year and Sidney Ponson had 15 starts! Plus, it was an awful year from Pettitte. Take the numbers out and think about that and I think many will agree it was much worse than 2010.

    9. MJ Recanati
      December 21st, 2010 | 2:49 pm

      @ Mr. Sparkle:
      Performance is performance, regardless of where it comes from or what names are associated with it.

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