• Alfredo Aceves

    Posted by on May 27th, 2011 · Comments (18)

    Have you seen his results so far this season?

    Date Tm   Opp Rslt IP H R ER BB SO HR ERA
    Apr 8 BOS   NYY W,9-6 1.0 1 0 0 1 1 0 0.00
    Apr 9 BOS   NYY L,4-9 2.0 2 2 2 1 2 2 6.00
    Apr 11 BOS   TBR L,5-16 2.2 0 0 0 0 2 0 3.18
    Apr 15 BOS   TOR L,6-7 1.0 1 0 0 0 0 0 2.70
    Apr 18 BOS   TOR W,9-1 1.0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2.35
    Apr 19 BOS @ OAK L,0-5 0.1 1 0 0 0 0 0 2.25
    May 6 BOS   MIN L,2-9 4.2 3 1 1 1 2 0 2.13
    May 9 BOS   MIN W,2-1 0.2 1 1 1 0 0 0 2.70
    May 10 BOS @ TOR L,6-7 0.1 0 0 0 2 0 0 2.63
    May 15 BOS @ NYY W,7-5 0.2 1 1 0 1 0 0 2.51
    May 16 BOS   BAL W,8-7 3.0 2 1 1 0 2 1 2.60
    May 21 BOS   CHC L,3-9 5.0 3 1 1 2 2 0 2.42
    May 26 BOS @ DET W,14-1 6.0 5 1 1 2 6 0 2.22
      BOS       28.1 20 8 7 10 17 3 2.22
    Provided by Baseball-Reference.com: View Original Table
    Generated 5/27/2011.

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    Is it just me, or, is there a chance that Cashman screwed the pooch on this one when he cut Aceves?

    Comments on Alfredo Aceves

    1. clintfsu813
      May 27th, 2011 | 1:25 pm

      Saw this post coming, lol. Was annoyed we cut him. Had faith we must have thought his injuries were pretty serious. We’ll see if he’s still pitching in September.

    2. MJ Recanati
      May 27th, 2011 | 1:50 pm

      Steve Lombardi wrote:

      Is it just me, or, is there a chance that Cashman screwed the pooch on this one when he cut Aceves?

      Based on the quotes in the article, Cashman says that Aceves wasn’t responding to treatment and that there were too many setbacks in his recovery to offer him anything more than a minor league deal. It was Aceves’s right to turn down the Yankees offer and to seek a better deal for himself.

      The Yankees clearly could’ve afforded Aceves from a financial standpoint but they couldn’t fit him onto the 40-man roster. That’s just how it goes.

      As far as “screwing the pooch,” you do realize that we’re talking about a swingman 6th starter/long-reliever right? Let’s not overreact here.

    3. May 27th, 2011 | 2:18 pm

      MJ Recanati wrote:

      As far as “screwing the pooch,” you do realize that we’re talking about a swingman 6th starter/long-reliever right? Let’s not overreact here.

      Dude. With all due respect, having an outstanding “swingman 6th starter/long-reliever” can be the difference between being a very good team and being an outstanding one. Without Ramiro Mendoza starring as a “swingman 6th starter/long-reliever” from 1998 to 1999, Derek Jeter and his friends may have two less rings.

    4. MJ Recanati
      May 27th, 2011 | 2:35 pm

      @ Steve Lombardi:
      By definition, these types of pitchers are fungible. Having a good one is nice but giving up a good one and finding another one to replace him is easy enough to do also.

      Ramiro Mendoza was worth 1.0 bWAR per season during the dynasty years (’96-’01). As effective as he was, I simply won’t accept the argument that teams can’t find a 1-WAR pitcher out there on the market or via their own system.

      David Robertson has accumulated 1.8 bWAR since Opening Day 2010. Sergio Mitre was worth 0.6 bWAR in 54 innings last year. You’re telling me that Mendoza’s 1.0 bWAR and Mitre’s 0.6 bWAR are worlds apart? Nonsense.

    5. MJ Recanati
      May 27th, 2011 | 2:38 pm

      Steve Lombardi wrote:

      Dude. With all due respect, having an outstanding “swingman 6th starter/long-reliever” can be the difference between being a very good team and being an outstanding one. Without Ramiro Mendoza starring as a “swingman 6th starter/long-reliever” from 1998 to 1999, Derek Jeter and his friends may have two less rings.

      By all means, Steve, overreact to the Yankees letting go of a relief pitcher/swingman starter. Knock yourself out.

      You specialize in making mountains out of molehills and I can’t figure out why such minutiae drives you so batty.

    6. Raf
      May 27th, 2011 | 5:46 pm

      Steve Lombardi wrote:

      Without Ramiro Mendoza starring as a “swingman 6th starter/long-reliever” from 1998 to 1999, Derek Jeter and his friends may have two less rings.

      Not quite. Mendoza certainly wasn’t the difference in 98 nor 99.

    7. Raf
      May 27th, 2011 | 5:55 pm

      Aceves, LaTroy Hawkins, Sergio Mitre… What an ass Cashman is for letting them go. ;)

    8. redbug
      May 27th, 2011 | 5:57 pm

      Considering starting pitching was (and I think still is) the Yanks biggest area of concern, I couldn’t believe Cashman didn’t give Aceves a shot. The Red Sox are only paying him $650,000. Pocket change for the Yanks, esp for some cheap insurance.

    9. Evan3457
      May 27th, 2011 | 6:04 pm

      Depends on the doctor’s reports to the talent people. If their docs turned in a negative report, ou can’t blame Cashman for acting the way he did. But if not, then he can be blamed.

    10. Raf
      May 27th, 2011 | 6:20 pm

      redbug wrote:

      Considering starting pitching was (and I think still is) the Yanks biggest area of concern, I couldn’t believe Cashman didn’t give Aceves a shot. The Red Sox are only paying him $650,000. Pocket change for the Yanks, esp for some cheap insurance.

      Money wasn’t the issue, the guaranteed contract was.

      Along with Aceves’ back issue, he also busted his shoulder in a biking accident.

    11. redbug
      May 27th, 2011 | 6:25 pm

      @ Raf:

      Yes, but it was just a yr for $650k.

    12. Raf
      May 27th, 2011 | 8:09 pm

      redbug wrote:

      Yes, but it was just a yr for $650k.

      I understand. But Aceves had pitched 12 innings the season prior, and during the offseason still had back trouble along with a busted collarbone. The money wasn’t the issue, it was a guaranteed vs minor league contract. The Yankees didn’t want to tie up a roster spot with someone who may not have been ready until May (remember Aceves’ injury problems; back AND shoulder), or else they would’ve tendered him a contract. Had he been willing to take a minor league deal, he would probably still be with the Yankees. Had the Yankees offered a major league deal at 2010 salary, he would probably still be with the Yankees.

    13. MJ Recanati
      May 27th, 2011 | 8:29 pm

      redbug wrote:

      Considering starting pitching was (and I think still is) the Yanks biggest area of concern, I couldn’t believe Cashman didn’t give Aceves a shot. The Red Sox are only paying him $650,000. Pocket change for the Yanks, esp for some cheap insurance.

      Raf wrote:

      The money wasn’t the issue, it was a guaranteed vs minor league contract. The Yankees didn’t want to tie up a roster spot

      Exactly. As I said above, it wasn’t a money issue, it was a 40-man roster issue.

    14. LMJ229
      May 28th, 2011 | 1:00 am

      Let’s face it, Cashman did screw this one up. Now, it might be because he got bad medical advice or a million other reasons but he is the GM so he is ultimately responsible. I know there were several of us who couldn’t understand why he let Aceves walk when the Yanks were in such a dire position with their pitching.

      And as far as the 40-man roster is concerned, there are several names on that roster that Aceves could have easily replaced such as Buddy Carlyle, Steve Garrison, Ryan Pope, Amauri Sanit, and Kanekoa Texeira.

      The fact is Cashman would have signed Aceves if he would have agreed to a minor league deal so the injury wasn’t a deal-breaker – the real issue was money. He has negotiated minor league deals with several of our pitchers. Cashman likes to act like he is running a small market, small budget team. It pisses me off. This is the Yankees for God’s sake. If a guy can help us, don’t nickle and dime him, go out and get him. The Red Sox didn’t – they offered Aceves a major league deal and are now reaping the benefits. Cashman nickles and dimes Aceves and then gives Jeter that ridiculously absurd contract. It makes no sense and it drives me nuts.

      Wonderful, Nunez just got picked off second base. How stupid can you be?

    15. SteveF
      May 28th, 2011 | 1:22 am

      It’s possible to be wrong without having screwed the pooch.

    16. MJ Recanati
      May 28th, 2011 | 9:18 am

      LMJ229 wrote:

      Cashman likes to act like he is running a small market, small budget team. It pisses me off. This is the Yankees for God’s sake. If a guy can help us, don’t nickle and dime him, go out and get him. The Red Sox didn’t – they offered Aceves a major league deal and are now reaping the benefits.

      The Red Sox offered Aceves $650,000. Don’t try to spin this as the Yankees being cheap and the Red Sox being generous.

      The Yankees offered Aceves a minor league deal because that would allow them to put Aceves on the 40-man roster without putting him on the 25-man roster. Get your facts straight.

    17. gphunt
      May 28th, 2011 | 12:35 pm

      Lets not forget that the Sox also refused to offer Martin a major league contract and look how that turned out for them. Martin is having a good year and the Sox have absolutely no offensive or defensive catching. Point is that sometimes it’s pretty difficult to assess how an injured player is going to recover. All teams make these kind of minor mistakes.

    18. Raf
      May 28th, 2011 | 3:06 pm

      LMJ229 wrote:

      The fact is Cashman would have signed Aceves if he would have agreed to a minor league deal

      Exactly. The Sox offered a major league deal, the Yankees offered a minor league deal. It had nothing to do with money.

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