Letting It All Fly
Posted by Steve L. on July 25th, 2011 · Comments (22)
If the Yankees bundled Phil Hughes, Dellin Betances, Manny Baunuelos and Jesus Montero in a trade package, what do you think they would be able to acquire, in exchange for those four players en masse?
Of course, they would never do it…
I’d take Man-Ban out of that and add whoever else the Rockies want if that’ll get us Ubaldo.
Felix, and only Felix
Josh Johnson and Hanley Ramirez
It depends on how much salary/talent is coming back.
The Yankees are giving up 2 top pitching prospects, a ML starter and their top hitting prospect who may be ML ready. That was more than they were going to give up for Cliff Lee or Roy Halladay. I’d say that’s more that what most teams give up for a premium player. It’s definitely too much for King Felix.
ct_chris wrote:
That’ll work, though the Marlins may have to throw in another player/contract.
@ Raf:
@ ct_chris:
Ain’t happening though, where does Hanley/Jeter play?
@ Corey Italiano: Depends on any number of things. If an OF’er is traded, Hanley can move to the OF. Rodriguez can be moved to DH, and Hanley to 3B. Jeter can move to 3B-OF-DH with Hanley taking over @ SS. Hanley can be flipped to another team in a 3 way deal.
Hanley’s signed through the 2014 season (Jeter through 2013 with a club option), so any move he makes from SS would be temporary.
Jeff Conine says Hanley Ramirez is a dog. Pass.
FWIW, I think some of you may have an inflated value on this package.
A big RHP whose fastball tops out at 91, on average, and who lacks a third pitch, two pitching prospects who have yet to throw at AAA, and “catcher” who can’t catch – but, reportedly, who could be a power bat someday.
It’s not a terrible package. But, let’s not make it out to be three Pedros and a Bench.
@ Steve Lombardi:
Agreed, but I think Manny has the potential to be special. The rest will never be as good as a Jiminez.
Steve Lombardi wrote:
I think you’re underestimating the package. Remember, you’ve come out against Hughes and pitching prospects in general on this site.
You have to look at the context of what’s being dealt and what’s being dealt for.
Roy Oswalt, Cliff Lee (thrice), Roy Halladay, CC Sabathia, among others were fairly recently dealt. How is the package you mentioned above compared to what the Astros, Indians/Phils/M’s, Jays & Indians received?
Also, Hughes, Betances & Banuelos, their stuff may play better in the NL. Maybe there’s a 3rd team involved that would like their services. Maybe other organizational scouts are more optimistic about their talents than you are. Maybe Montero does stick behind the plate as catcher. Maybe he moves to 1B. How are these prospects projected going forward? How does Hughes’ service time factor into it? How much money will the Yanks be receiving? How much money will the Yanks be sending? All those factors go into making a trade.
Corey Italiano wrote:
The package as presented, is too much for Jimenez.
Steve Lombardi wrote:
Given some of the players I’ve seen the Yankees employ over the years, Hanley being a “dog” would be the least of my worries.
Raf wrote:
Agreed.
For Halladay, the Jays got Kyle Drabek, Brett Wallace (in a separate prospect challenge trade), and Travis D’Arnaud.
In February of 2010 according to Baseball America, Drabek was #25, Wallace #27, D’arnaud was #81 in the top 100. As I recall, that was for 1 year of Halladay.
Phillies traded Lee to Seattle Phillippe Aumont #93, Tyson Gillies, and Juan Ramirez.
Oswalt (who many felt would not be worth the price of his contract at the time he was traded) + $11 million was traded for JA Happ, Anthony Gose and Jonathan Villar. Neither prospect was in the Baseball America top 100.
Seattle traded Cliff Lee, Mark Lowe, $2.25 million to Texas for Justin Smoak #13, Blake Beavan, Josh Lueke, and Matt Lawson. Last 3 guys didn’t rank, but Beavan and Leuke are already contributing at the ML level. Lawson doesn’t look like he’ll make it.
Cleveland traded Cliff Lee and Ben Francisco to Philadelphia for The Cleveland Indians traded Cliff Lee and outfielder Ben Francisco to the Philadelphia Phillies for Carlos Carrasco #52, Jason Knapp #64 (in 2010, after trade), Lou Marson #66 and Jason Donald #69.
Woops. Sorry about last part of the last post. Cut and paste issues.
In all of those cases you were trading for 1/2, 1, and 1 1/2 years of the pitcher in question. Halladay trade was for a full year, Lee to Seattle was for a year (they happened at same time as I recall in the offseason), and Seattle flipped Lee to Texas for a 1/2 year or so.
Oswalt was a bit of a salary dump, with the Astros getting back something slightly better than warm bodies (i.e AJ Happ) by eating salary.
The Lee trade to Philadelphia obviously is the biggest haul, though he had more than 1 year left on the contract at the time. Obviously cost control is a major, major factor.
Ubaldo is not Cliff Lee, though Ubaldo’s cost control contract is significantly superior to Cliff Lee’s contract situation at the time Cleveland traded him to Philly.
How about James Shields from Tampa for Montero and Noesi? I doubt anyone would want Phil Hughes at this point. He has pretty much murdered his trade value. Shields has club options for 2012, 2013, and 2014 at a price that is probably cost prohibitive for the Rays. And the Rays are in serious need of offense. Don’t think they’d want to trade within their division though.
Tampa shut door in our face
ct_chris wrote:
Would be a great trade proposal if Johnson was healthy. Word is he might be out for the season. I’d be leary of that shoulder.
clintfsu813 wrote:
Meant to say Montero, Betances and Noesi. This way we hang on to Banuelos.
I would do it for an everyday player in or just entering his prime….a Matt Kemp, Justin Upton, etc. But it seems like overpaying for a starter who’ll pitch every five days.