• Yanks & Buccos Close To Burnett Deal

    Posted by on February 12th, 2012 · Comments (59)

    Via Ken Rosenthal

    The Pittsburgh Pirates continue to talk with the New York Yankees about right-hander A.J. Burnett, with most signs pointing to a trade. But as of early Sunday, the two sides were still haggling about the money and players in the deal.

    The Yankees likely will pay $19 million to $23 million of the $33 million remaining on Burnett’s contract and receive multiple minor leaguers in return, according to one source with knowledge of the discussions. Those minor leaguers would not be players on the Pirates’ 40-man roster, the source said.

    For clubs that trade high-salaried players such as Burnett, the more money they include, the better the quality of the players they receive. The sliding scale makes the discussions fluid and capable of changing at any time.

    The Pirates are one of four clubs pursuing Burnett, but one of those clubs is on his 10-team no-trade list, sources say. The Yankees are exploring all possibilities, as are the Pirates. But the Yankees view the Pirates as the partner that “makes the most sense” for Burnett, a source said.

    So, what’s Burnett’s place in “great” pitching acquistions by Brian Cashman since 2002?

    Player WAR 5 From To Age G W L SV IP ERA
    Steve Karsay 2.3 2002 2005 30-33 91 6 4 12 101.0 3.39
    Jeff Weaver 1.1 2002 2003 25-26 47 12 12 2 237.1 5.35
    Mike Thurman 0.1 2002 2002 28-28 12 1 0 0 33.0 5.18
    Adrian Hernandez -0.3 2002 2002 27-27 2 0 1 0 6.0 12.00
    Jose Contreras 1.8 2003 2004 31-32 36 15 7 0 166.2 4.64
    Antonio Osuna 0.8 2003 2003 30-30 48 2 5 0 50.2 3.73
    Alberto Reyes 0.2 2003 2003 32-32 13 0 0 0 17.0 3.18
    Armando Benitez 0.2 2003 2003 30-30 9 1 1 0 9.1 1.93
    Dan Miceli 0.0 2003 2003 32-32 7 0 0 1 4.2 5.79
    Felix Heredia -0.1 2003 2004 28-29 59 1 2 0 53.2 4.86
    Jesse Orosco -0.4 2003 2003 46-46 15 0 0 0 4.1 10.38
    Gabe White -0.5 2003 2004 31-32 36 2 2 0 33.0 6.82
    Juan Acevedo -0.8 2003 2003 33-33 25 0 3 6 25.2 7.71
    Tom Gordon 6.5 2004 2005 36-37 159 14 8 6 170.1 2.38
    Javier Vazquez 2.0 2004 2010 28-34 63 24 20 0 355.1 5.09
    Kevin Brown 1.6 2004 2005 39-40 35 14 13 0 205.1 4.95
    Juan Padilla 0.2 2004 2004 27-27 6 0 0 0 11.1 3.97
    Paul Quantrill 0.0 2004 2005 35-36 108 8 3 1 127.1 5.23
    C.J. Nitkowski -0.2 2004 2004 31-31 19 1 1 0 13.0 7.62
    Donovan Osborne -0.3 2004 2004 35-35 9 2 0 0 17.2 7.13
    Esteban Loaiza -1.4 2004 2004 32-32 10 1 2 0 42.1 8.50
    Randy Johnson 5.8 2005 2006 41-42 67 34 19 0 430.2 4.37
    Shawn Chacon 1.5 2005 2006 27-28 31 12 6 0 142.0 4.69
    Jaret Wright 0.9 2005 2006 29-30 43 16 12 0 204.0 4.99
    Felix Rodriguez 0.1 2005 2005 32-32 34 0 0 0 32.1 5.01
    Buddy Groom 0.1 2005 2005 39-39 24 1 0 0 25.2 4.91
    Carl Pavano -0.1 2005 2008 29-32 26 9 8 0 145.2 5.00
    Wayne Franklin -0.4 2005 2005 31-31 13 0 1 0 12.2 6.39
    Tim Redding -0.5 2005 2005 27-27 1 0 1 0 1.0 54.00
    Darrell May -0.6 2005 2005 33-33 2 0 1 0 7.0 16.71
    Alan Embree -0.6 2005 2005 35-35 24 1 1 0 14.1 7.53
    Brian Bruney 2.5 2006 2009 24-27 153 12 3 1 144.0 3.25
    Mike Myers 1.0 2006 2007 37-38 117 4 2 0 71.1 2.90
    Kyle Farnsworth 1.0 2006 2008 30-32 181 6 9 7 170.1 4.33
    Jose Veras 0.6 2006 2009 25-28 106 8 4 3 103.2 4.43
    Cory Lidle 0.4 2006 2006 34-34 10 4 3 0 45.1 5.16
    Ron Villone 0.1 2006 2007 36-37 107 3 3 0 122.2 4.77
    Darrell Rasner 0.1 2006 2008 25-27 36 9 14 0 158.1 5.06
    Kris Wilson -0.2 2006 2006 29-29 5 0 0 0 8.1 8.64
    Scott Erickson -0.4 2006 2006 38-38 9 0 0 0 11.1 7.94
    Octavio Dotel -0.6 2006 2006 32-32 14 0 0 0 10.0 10.80
    Sidney Ponson -0.9 2006 2008 29-31 21 4 5 0 96.1 6.63
    Luis Vizcaino 0.4 2007 2007 32-32 77 8 2 0 75.1 4.30
    Chris Britton 0.1 2007 2008 24-25 26 0 1 0 35.2 4.54
    Edwar Ramirez -0.2 2007 2009 26-28 96 6 2 2 98.1 5.22
    Kei Igawa -1.0 2007 2008 27-28 16 2 4 0 71.2 6.66
    Dan Giese 0.3 2008 2008 31-31 20 1 3 0 43.1 3.53
    Humberto Sanchez 0.0 2008 2008 25-25 2 0 0 0 2.0 4.50
    Jonathan Albaladejo -0.1 2008 2010 25-27 49 5 2 0 59.1 4.70
    LaTroy Hawkins -0.2 2008 2008 35-35 33 1 1 0 41.0 5.71
    Billy Traber -0.3 2008 2008 28-28 19 0 0 0 16.2 7.02
    Damaso Marte -0.5 2008 2010 33-35 76 2 6 0 49.1 6.02
    A.J. Burnett 3.4 2009 2011 32-34 99 34 35 0 584.0 4.79
    Chad Gaudin 0.7 2009 2010 26-27 41 3 2 0 90.0 4.00
    Josh Towers 0.0 2009 2009 32-32 2 0 0 0 5.1 3.38
    Brett Tomko -0.1 2009 2009 36-36 15 1 2 0 20.2 5.23
    Sergio Mitre -1.2 2009 2011 28-30 43 3 6 1 111.0 5.35
    Dustin Moseley 0.4 2010 2010 28-28 16 4 4 0 65.1 4.96
    Romulo Sanchez 0.1 2010 2010 26-26 2 0 0 0 4.1 0.00
    Royce Ring -0.2 2010 2010 29-29 5 0 0 0 2.1 15.43
    Chan Ho Park -0.5 2010 2010 37-37 27 2 1 0 35.1 5.60
    Freddy Garcia 3.4 2011 2011 34-34 26 12 8 0 146.2 3.62
    Bartolo Colon 2.4 2011 2011 38-38 29 8 10 0 164.1 4.00
    Cory Wade 1.3 2011 2011 28-28 40 6 1 0 39.2 2.04
    Raul Valdes 0.2 2011 2011 33-33 6 0 0 0 6.2 2.70
    Aaron Laffey 0.2 2011 2011 26-26 11 2 1 0 10.2 3.38
    Buddy Carlyle 0.1 2011 2011 33-33 8 0 1 0 7.2 4.70
    Andrew Brackman 0.1 2011 2011 25-25 3 0 0 0 2.1 0.00
    Amauri Sanit -0.3 2011 2011 31-31 4 0 0 0 7.0 12.86
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    Comments on Yanks & Buccos Close To Burnett Deal

    1. Corey Italiano
      February 18th, 2012 | 10:45 am

      Raf wrote:

      MJ Recanati wrote:
      Apparently AJ doesn’t want any part of the Angels.
      All it would’ve taken was Bobby Abreu… Hmmm, I wonder how much money would’ve gone either way, but I guess it’s moot.

      I’d rather them sign Ibanez, give him a short leash and if he sucks then trade for a bat at the deadline with the pitching depth. You have a much better chance of getting someone who can be an impact in the lineup that way, IMO.

    2. Corey Italiano
      February 18th, 2012 | 10:45 am

      Plus Abreu just isn’t that good anymore

    3. Raf
      February 18th, 2012 | 1:01 pm

      @ Corey Italiano:
      Maybe not, but he’s better than Ibanez.

      You can do the same (punt) with Abreu as well, if he doesn’t pan out

      FWIW

      BA:.253/.353/.365 (1.3 WAR)
      RI:.245/.289/.419 (-.4)

      vs RHP
      BA:.259/.366/.400
      RI:.256/.307/.440

      I guess it’s closer than I originally thought.

    4. Corey Italiano
      February 18th, 2012 | 1:17 pm

      Raf wrote:

      @ Corey Italiano:
      Maybe not, but he’s better than Ibanez.
      You can do the same (punt) with Abreu as well, if he doesn’t pan out
      FWIW
      BA:.253/.353/.365 (1.3 WAR)
      RI:.245/.289/.419 (-.4)
      vs RHP
      BA:.259/.366/.400
      RI:.256/.307/.440
      I guess it’s closer than I originally thought.

      Save more money sending Burnett to the Pirates and signing Ibanez for $1mm. No sense in paying more for essentially the same player.

    5. Mr. October
      September 10th, 2013 | 7:11 pm

      MJ Recanati wrote:

      The draft pick of Kennedy can’t be a bust if that draft pick was used to acquire Granderson.

      LOL!!!!!

      Cashman’s draft pick of Kennedy certainly wasn’t a bust for Dombrowski.

    6. Mr. October
      September 10th, 2013 | 8:21 pm

      Raf wrote:

      Getting in front of the meme that AJ couldn’t handle NY

      Dec. 21, 2008: “… former manager John Gibbons openly wondered whether Burnett would be able to handle the pressure of pitching in The Bronx… the Yankees have a history of watching veterans wilt under [New York’s intense spotlight]…

      Now the Blue Jays general manager JP Ricciardi said that’s going to be [Burnett’s biggest test]… ‘The big question is how he handles New York,’ the Blue Jays’ GM said… [C]an Burnett adjust to the pressures of pitching in New York? Or will he be uncomfortable until [Cashman is] forced to trade him like Randy Johnson…”

      Oct. 11, 2010: “If it weren’t already evident that Burnett’s big long-term contract was dictating the decisions made by [Cashman], it is now… the Yankees announced Monday morning that they will use a fourth starter in the ALCS. That fourth starter will be Burnett…

      Yankees fans have never been fed up with a pitcher more than they have Burnett. And for a good reason. This season has been a disastrous one for the 33-year-old, and that is just one of the many reasons why this decision makes no sense.”

      Aug. 23, 2011: “[Cashman] undoubtedly feels compelled to defend Burnett, for in doing so he defends the $82.5 million contract he bestowed on the… inconsistent righthander… With Burnett, this is fast becoming another Jeff Weaver situation for [Cashman] – a starting pitcher with a big arm who teased mightily in small markets elsewhere but found New York and all that goes with [it] just too daunting…”

      Feb. 13, 2012: “[Cashman has] put starting pitcher A.J. Burnett on the trading block… Going from the big city lights of New York to the small market of Pittsburgh could be just what Burnett needs… Burnett’s second half slide last year got in his head, and he never really was comfortable pitching in the bright lights of the Yankee Stadium.”

      Feb. 20, 2012: “Burnett was happy to escape from New York. ‘It was fun the first couple of years…’ he said… a day after [Cashman] dealt him to the Pittsburgh Pirates for a pair of low-level prospects [and $20 million]… In a smaller market with reduced expectations, there should be less pressure on the right-hander.

      ‘It’s going to be a fresh start,’ Burnett said. ‘It’s going to be fun. I’m going back to the NL, where I can hit and bunt and get the joy back into the game’…”

      May 10, 2013: “The NL strikeout leader was at Citi Field last night… Burnett – 16-10 with a 3.51 ERA last year with Pittsburgh — is 3-3 with a 2.57 ERA and 62 strikeouts this season, when [Cashman is] paying $8.5 million of his $16 million salary.

      The consensus is that he is beneficiary of a change of scenery, mainly in leaving the stress of the Yankees… One NL personnel man echoed the theme of three executives asked about Burnett by saying the righty ‘is better and the reason isn’t stuff – it’s environment. Burnett is a classic small-market guy… It’s not unlike others who have struggled when they went to bigger markets to play where every game mattered…”

    7. Raf
      September 10th, 2013 | 9:33 pm

      @ Mr. October:

      Raf wrote:

      Burnett should be ok with a return to the NL. His numbers should improve based on regression of his HR rate, though the narrative is going to be that he escaped the pressure cooker of NYC or some other nonsense.

      Raf wrote:

      Personally, I think Burnett will bounce back next year, be it with the Yanks or elsewhere.

      Raf wrote:

      2011
      H: 7-6, 4.41, 8.2 (k/9), 2.31 (SO/BB)
      A: 4-5, 6.28, 8.2 (k/9), 1.82 (SO/BB)
      2010
      H: 5-7, 4.59, 7.5 (k/9), 2.03 (SO/BB)
      A: 5-8, 5.76, 7.3 (k/9), 2.00 (SO/BB)
      2009
      H: 5-3, 3.51, 8.9 (k/9), 2.00 (SO/BB)
      A: 8-6, 4.59, 8.0 (k/9), 2.02 (SO/BB)

      Getting in front of the meme that AJ couldn’t handle NY

      Given that he performed better in front of NY crowds, especially during his terrible 2011 season, it seems pitching for the Yankees wasn’t that big a deal. It certainly didn’t show up in the results.

    8. Mr. October
      September 10th, 2013 | 9:45 pm

      Raf wrote:

      it seems pitching for the Yankees wasn’t that big a deal. It certainly didn’t show up in the results.

      Yeah, right…

    9. Kamieniecki
      September 11th, 2013 | 9:54 am

      @ Raf:
      Maybe you can write Burnett a letter and explain to him he that just thinks he was uncomfortable pitching in New York, that the pressure really was not a big deal for him, and that his saying so publicly only makes him look more foolish:

      Mr. A.J. Burnett
      c/o Brian Cashman
      Yankee Stadium
      161st St and River Ave
      Bronx, NY 10452

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