• Yanks & Buccos Close To Burnett Deal

    Posted by on February 12th, 2012 · Comments (59)

    Via Ken Rosenthal -

    The Pittsburgh Pirates continue to talk with the New York Yankees about right-hander A.J. Burnett, with most signs pointing to a trade. But as of early Sunday, the two sides were still haggling about the money and players in the deal.

    The Yankees likely will pay $19 million to $23 million of the $33 million remaining on Burnett’s contract and receive multiple minor leaguers in return, according to one source with knowledge of the discussions. Those minor leaguers would not be players on the Pirates’ 40-man roster, the source said.

    For clubs that trade high-salaried players such as Burnett, the more money they include, the better the quality of the players they receive. The sliding scale makes the discussions fluid and capable of changing at any time.

    The Pirates are one of four clubs pursuing Burnett, but one of those clubs is on his 10-team no-trade list, sources say. The Yankees are exploring all possibilities, as are the Pirates. But the Yankees view the Pirates as the partner that “makes the most sense” for Burnett, a source said.

    So, what’s Burnett’s place in “great” pitching acquistions by Brian Cashman since 2002?

    Player WAR 5 From To Age G W L SV IP ERA
    Steve Karsay 2.3 2002 2005 30-33 91 6 4 12 101.0 3.39
    Jeff Weaver 1.1 2002 2003 25-26 47 12 12 2 237.1 5.35
    Mike Thurman 0.1 2002 2002 28-28 12 1 0 0 33.0 5.18
    Adrian Hernandez -0.3 2002 2002 27-27 2 0 1 0 6.0 12.00
    Jose Contreras 1.8 2003 2004 31-32 36 15 7 0 166.2 4.64
    Antonio Osuna 0.8 2003 2003 30-30 48 2 5 0 50.2 3.73
    Alberto Reyes 0.2 2003 2003 32-32 13 0 0 0 17.0 3.18
    Armando Benitez 0.2 2003 2003 30-30 9 1 1 0 9.1 1.93
    Dan Miceli 0.0 2003 2003 32-32 7 0 0 1 4.2 5.79
    Felix Heredia -0.1 2003 2004 28-29 59 1 2 0 53.2 4.86
    Jesse Orosco -0.4 2003 2003 46-46 15 0 0 0 4.1 10.38
    Gabe White -0.5 2003 2004 31-32 36 2 2 0 33.0 6.82
    Juan Acevedo -0.8 2003 2003 33-33 25 0 3 6 25.2 7.71
    Tom Gordon 6.5 2004 2005 36-37 159 14 8 6 170.1 2.38
    Javier Vazquez 2.0 2004 2010 28-34 63 24 20 0 355.1 5.09
    Kevin Brown 1.6 2004 2005 39-40 35 14 13 0 205.1 4.95
    Juan Padilla 0.2 2004 2004 27-27 6 0 0 0 11.1 3.97
    Paul Quantrill 0.0 2004 2005 35-36 108 8 3 1 127.1 5.23
    C.J. Nitkowski -0.2 2004 2004 31-31 19 1 1 0 13.0 7.62
    Donovan Osborne -0.3 2004 2004 35-35 9 2 0 0 17.2 7.13
    Esteban Loaiza -1.4 2004 2004 32-32 10 1 2 0 42.1 8.50
    Randy Johnson 5.8 2005 2006 41-42 67 34 19 0 430.2 4.37
    Shawn Chacon 1.5 2005 2006 27-28 31 12 6 0 142.0 4.69
    Jaret Wright 0.9 2005 2006 29-30 43 16 12 0 204.0 4.99
    Felix Rodriguez 0.1 2005 2005 32-32 34 0 0 0 32.1 5.01
    Buddy Groom 0.1 2005 2005 39-39 24 1 0 0 25.2 4.91
    Carl Pavano -0.1 2005 2008 29-32 26 9 8 0 145.2 5.00
    Wayne Franklin -0.4 2005 2005 31-31 13 0 1 0 12.2 6.39
    Tim Redding -0.5 2005 2005 27-27 1 0 1 0 1.0 54.00
    Darrell May -0.6 2005 2005 33-33 2 0 1 0 7.0 16.71
    Alan Embree -0.6 2005 2005 35-35 24 1 1 0 14.1 7.53
    Brian Bruney 2.5 2006 2009 24-27 153 12 3 1 144.0 3.25
    Mike Myers 1.0 2006 2007 37-38 117 4 2 0 71.1 2.90
    Kyle Farnsworth 1.0 2006 2008 30-32 181 6 9 7 170.1 4.33
    Jose Veras 0.6 2006 2009 25-28 106 8 4 3 103.2 4.43
    Cory Lidle 0.4 2006 2006 34-34 10 4 3 0 45.1 5.16
    Ron Villone 0.1 2006 2007 36-37 107 3 3 0 122.2 4.77
    Darrell Rasner 0.1 2006 2008 25-27 36 9 14 0 158.1 5.06
    Kris Wilson -0.2 2006 2006 29-29 5 0 0 0 8.1 8.64
    Scott Erickson -0.4 2006 2006 38-38 9 0 0 0 11.1 7.94
    Octavio Dotel -0.6 2006 2006 32-32 14 0 0 0 10.0 10.80
    Sidney Ponson -0.9 2006 2008 29-31 21 4 5 0 96.1 6.63
    Luis Vizcaino 0.4 2007 2007 32-32 77 8 2 0 75.1 4.30
    Chris Britton 0.1 2007 2008 24-25 26 0 1 0 35.2 4.54
    Edwar Ramirez -0.2 2007 2009 26-28 96 6 2 2 98.1 5.22
    Kei Igawa -1.0 2007 2008 27-28 16 2 4 0 71.2 6.66
    Dan Giese 0.3 2008 2008 31-31 20 1 3 0 43.1 3.53
    Humberto Sanchez 0.0 2008 2008 25-25 2 0 0 0 2.0 4.50
    Jonathan Albaladejo -0.1 2008 2010 25-27 49 5 2 0 59.1 4.70
    LaTroy Hawkins -0.2 2008 2008 35-35 33 1 1 0 41.0 5.71
    Billy Traber -0.3 2008 2008 28-28 19 0 0 0 16.2 7.02
    Damaso Marte -0.5 2008 2010 33-35 76 2 6 0 49.1 6.02
    A.J. Burnett 3.4 2009 2011 32-34 99 34 35 0 584.0 4.79
    Chad Gaudin 0.7 2009 2010 26-27 41 3 2 0 90.0 4.00
    Josh Towers 0.0 2009 2009 32-32 2 0 0 0 5.1 3.38
    Brett Tomko -0.1 2009 2009 36-36 15 1 2 0 20.2 5.23
    Sergio Mitre -1.2 2009 2011 28-30 43 3 6 1 111.0 5.35
    Dustin Moseley 0.4 2010 2010 28-28 16 4 4 0 65.1 4.96
    Romulo Sanchez 0.1 2010 2010 26-26 2 0 0 0 4.1 0.00
    Royce Ring -0.2 2010 2010 29-29 5 0 0 0 2.1 15.43
    Chan Ho Park -0.5 2010 2010 37-37 27 2 1 0 35.1 5.60
    Freddy Garcia 3.4 2011 2011 34-34 26 12 8 0 146.2 3.62
    Bartolo Colon 2.4 2011 2011 38-38 29 8 10 0 164.1 4.00
    Cory Wade 1.3 2011 2011 28-28 40 6 1 0 39.2 2.04
    Raul Valdes 0.2 2011 2011 33-33 6 0 0 0 6.2 2.70
    Aaron Laffey 0.2 2011 2011 26-26 11 2 1 0 10.2 3.38
    Buddy Carlyle 0.1 2011 2011 33-33 8 0 1 0 7.2 4.70
    Andrew Brackman 0.1 2011 2011 25-25 3 0 0 0 2.1 0.00
    Amauri Sanit -0.3 2011 2011 31-31 4 0 0 0 7.0 12.86
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    Comments on Yanks & Buccos Close To Burnett Deal

    1. Raf
      February 12th, 2012 | 5:37 pm

      I’m curious to the other 3 clubs?

      All signs point to a deal being made with the Pirates, but you never know with these things. Burnett should be ok with a return to the NL. His numbers should improve based on regression of his HR rate, though the narrative is going to be that he escaped the pressure cooker of NYC or some other nonsense.

    2. Raf
      February 12th, 2012 | 5:40 pm

      I’m also curious to see how Andrew Brackman does with the Reds.

    3. Evan3457
      February 12th, 2012 | 8:48 pm

      So, what’s Burnett’s place in “great” pitching acquistions by Brian Cashman since 2002?

      Better than most, because:

      1) The Yanks won a title while he pitched for them…

      2) He helped them win that title, and…

      3) Of the 7 post-season starts he made for the Yanks 4 of them were good to excellent.

    4. February 12th, 2012 | 10:24 pm

      @ Evan3457: So, then, why are they willing to eat close to $20 million to let him pitch for the Pirates?

    5. Garcia
      February 13th, 2012 | 12:18 am

      @ Evan3457:
      Agreed.

      AJ always takes the mound, he never hides from the media, he seems to be a good teammate, and he has helped the Yanks win a championship. I’ve been frustrated a lot by AJ, I always root for him and keep hoping he’d be the pitcher many thought he would be. He hasn’t lived up to the potential people think is in that right arm.

      @ Steve L.:
      The numbers say he hasn’t been the all-star signing he was paid to be, but I still respect AJ and know things could have been way worse. So far he hasn’t performed on the field, and there are many times that leads to things compounding off the field. I respect AJ for keeping his struggles to just on the field performance, and if he does get traded then I will absolutely wish him well and hope he turns it around.

      The money is the Yankees leverage, and as long as people keep watching, they keep going to the games, then we will keep enabling the Yankees to use their biggest leverage. It pisses off a hell a lot of people, to see money being spent in a way that may be called “reckless”, but it is their business model.

      When you look at their business model as just that, a business model: where they are continuously bringing in a ton of revenue, generating a profit, and keeping their product in high demand, then where have they failed?

      If Cashman was measured on the pitchers he signs, then he would have been fired a long time ago. We can make the deduction, no? Because obviously that is not how Hank & Hal are measuring Cash. What if they are measuring him based on the revenue coming in, team performance (and no, I don’t mean that stupid edict “Championship Only”), generating a profit, and keeping their product in high demand, then would you say he’s failed there?

      What if they are measuring Cashman differently than you think he should be measured?

    6. Evan3457
      February 13th, 2012 | 1:29 am

      Steve L. wrote:

      @ Evan3457: So, then, why are they willing to eat close to $20 million to let him pitch for the Pirates?

      Because when they bought him in the 2008-2009 offseason, they didn’t have any better options, but now, they do.

    7. clintfsu813
      February 13th, 2012 | 7:49 am

      I agree with Evan. Yanks have a lot of pitching depth and clearly wanna get rid of the headache that is AJ. He’s not going to get better, just worse. Yanks are trending toward a young rotation. AJ is now dead weight.

    8. February 13th, 2012 | 10:30 am

      @ Garcia: Sure, the bottom line, under Cashman has been good. But, if he didn’t make stupid and expensive moves – like Igawa and Burnett – then the bottom line would be better…if he could get the same number of wins without throwing money away on overpaid and garbage pitchers.

      No reason why a team can’t win 95+ games every year with a payroll of, say, $150 milion instead of one over $200 million.

      I think the Yankees would be thrilled if they could add that $50 million difference to their bottom line, no?

    9. sicilianlou
      February 13th, 2012 | 11:14 am

      Evan3457 wrote:

      Because when they bought him in the 2008-2009 offseason, they didn’t have any better options, but now, they do

      This is where my fustration lays with Cashman… Our options just the year before 2007 2008 was IAN KENNEDY and PHIL HUGHES!!.. Cashman pointed out that these two kids were going to be the front line pitchers for years to come.. How did that turn out?.. I am sorry you make some great points and I am not calling you on this, but this is why Cashman would never last in another other club because his mistakes and long term out look is ummm anything but horrible.. ITs becauase the Yankees can afford to pay for a player not to pitch on this club.. can you imagine the set back this would cause the Twins or the Indians?.. Never mind the real small market teams but just the middle of the pack market teams this would hurt them for years and remove them from any playoff hopes..

    10. sicilianlou
      February 13th, 2012 | 11:25 am

      Raf wrote:

      I’m also curious to see how Andrew Brackman does with the Reds

      I was surpirsed to see that Yankees simply cut him.. All that time invested on him making a come back and giving him the time to show why he was the high draft choice and get nothing in return?.. I got to follow this kid when he pitched for the Scraton Wilkes Barre and he showed no control.. I am starting to wonder, is it the pitchers or the coaches that are not performing?..

    11. sicilianlou
      February 13th, 2012 | 11:42 am

      Garcia wrote:

      What if they are measuring Cashman differently than you think he should be measured?

      @Garcia…. Personally, its about building a company and developing a sensible business model that yields the most for your business..Which includes using all of your resources wisely.. If you want to make a comparison on Cashman, have a look at other captains of business industry.. Not only baseball but other business… Lets say Cashman worked for APPLE or Microsoft.. Would the late Steve Jobs accept him spending all this money on say IT or programmers who yielded the same type of results? Or lets say your the owner samll time company that has unlimited profit potenial, would you use the same business model cashman uses with the Yankees?.. I think we all know the answer to that…

    12. sicilianlou
      February 13th, 2012 | 12:08 pm

      So, what’s Burnett’s place in “great” pitching acquistions by Brian Cashman since 2002?

      @Steve L……. Any idea what the cost was on this list?.. OMG… I knew there was some bad signings but wow!!.. I am surprised the yankees werent looking for a bailout package after this!!!…

    13. Garcia
      February 13th, 2012 | 12:10 pm

      @ sicilianlou:
      If your company is bringing in a ton of revenue, yielding great profit margins, and you have a product that’s in high demand, then guess what? Wall street doesn’t care what you are paying a programmer.

      The Yankees still haven’t had two years like the Red Sox just had. If they did, then Cashman probably would be gone already.

      @ Steve L.:
      Agreed, they can ALWAYS make more money but you can ALWAYS do things better (e.g if he hadn’t signed Igawa). I don’t see how Burnett was a bad investment (Pavano was a bad investment), it’s just an investment that didn’t pan out for the entire length of the contract, but like Evan said: they won a championship because of Burnett. That has a lot of value, whether you care to admit it or not.

    14. Corey Italiano
      February 13th, 2012 | 12:30 pm

      sicilianlou wrote:

      Steve Jobs accept him spending all this money on say IT or programmers who yielded the same type of results?

      If only we lived in a world where programmers where payed like baseball players…..

    15. Corey Italiano
      February 13th, 2012 | 12:30 pm

      Corey Italiano wrote:
      where programmers where
      where programmers were**

    16. Corey Italiano
      February 13th, 2012 | 12:33 pm

      sicilianlou wrote:

      Cashman pointed out that these two kids were going to be the front line pitchers for years to come.. How did that turn out?

      While I need to see IPK have another few seasons like he just did in Phoenix, he has a front line pitchers performance under his belt.

      And, to be fair, he turned IPK into Curtis Granderson who put up an MVP-like year last year.

    17. MJ Recanati
      February 13th, 2012 | 12:41 pm

      How was this list generated? I don’t see Roger Clemens’s name on this list, nor Mike Mussina’s, nor CC Sabathia’s (nor Andy Pettitte’s, who was signed as a free agent after the 2006 season).

      If a list trying to prove a point is going to be created, make it a complete record, free of selective omissions.

    18. February 13th, 2012 | 12:55 pm

      @ MJ Recanati:

      Cherry picking low WAR totals since 2002 for non-home grown pitchers.

    19. MJ Recanati
      February 13th, 2012 | 1:10 pm

      Steve L. wrote:

      @ MJ Recanati:Cherry picking low WAR totals since 2002 for non-home grown pitchers.

      There’s a huge gray area with your classification of “non-home grown” since several of these names spent as much or more time in the NYY minor leagues as they did with their original clubs.

      Also, how does Brackman make the list if it’s cherry-picked to include only non-”native” Yankees? Brackman might’ve flopped but he doesn’t qualify as a “non-home grown” pitcher.

    20. sicilianlou
      February 13th, 2012 | 1:13 pm

      Garcia wrote:

      If your company is bringing in a ton of revenue, yielding great profit margins, and you have a product that’s in high demand, then guess what? Wall street doesn’t care what you are paying a programmer. The Yankees still haven’t had two years like the Red Sox just had. If they did, then Cashman probably would be gone already.

      fair enough.. But if the Yankees werent a private company, you bet one thing, all of this spending would come into question every quarter!! But I guess I am failing to make my point with you Garica is that YES network generates 500 million in revenue a year for this team!!. I live in the south and I have to pay 70 dollars a month for YES!. Without this cash cow, what would the Yankees do?.. Let me remind you, that merchandise and ticket sales, parking and food etc are not part of this… YES.. is the reason the Yankees are the elite franchise in all of sports.. That is why they are worth 1.7 billion dollars according to Forbes.. And the only reason they were able to build that 1.5 billion dollar stadium.. The Yankees have no other vested interest other than baseball, YANKEE GOLBAL ENTERPRISE LLC is the true parent of this franchise. This is what Cashman helped build and the revenue generated from the YES network is why the Yankees are in the black each year ..In the years leading up to 2010 the Yankees net profits were 264mm, 277mm 302mm and 327mm. Well, by my math, the Yankees without YES wouldnt be able to afford this high spending.. They would be in the RED the past 6 years!!! Compare this with some of the so called smaller market teams like the TWINS, which by the way, their net holding value of all business combines is over 3 billion dollars yearly!!. If the Yankees are looking to lower the payroll and reduce the luxury tax that other teams are collecting, then you have to ask yourself would the yankees be like the RedSox if this business model of spend and fill and plug model continues?… And here is a bit of FYI.. John Henry’s business value makes the Yankees look like a Mom and POP grocery store compared to Walmart!.. That guy is one of the richest men in the world!!. Simply, for someone who is in charge of running the day to day operation of the Yankees from spending its money and making money, the YANKEES can do so much better than what Cashman has given them.. The numbers dont lie..

    21. Garcia
      February 13th, 2012 | 1:14 pm

      @ Steve L.:
      YOU were cherry picking!?!?! OMG! I’m so “surprised”.

      Is Waswatching back to being a Yankee blog? Back to hating on Cashman and/or ARod. You know you can’t stay away from your two favorite topics, no matter what coating of lipstick you put on the pig (err, blog).

    22. sicilianlou
      February 13th, 2012 | 1:33 pm

      Corey Italiano wrote:

      If only we lived in a world where programmers where payed like baseball players…..

      Dont tell that to guys who work at GOOGLE,FACEBOOK, or Microsoft!. They are richer than most players!! :)

      Corey Italiano wrote:

      While I need to see IPK have another few seasons like he just did in Phoenix, he has a front line pitchers performance under his belt.

      Might be, or is that the result of pitching in NL?.. After all, how big of a threat are pitchers with a bat?.. but how did he pan out in NY?.. And the reason why the Yankees had to sign AJ.. Another bust of a draft choice along with Phill Hughes..

      .Corey Italiano wrote:

      And, to be fair, he turned IPK into Curtis Granderson who put up an MVP-like year last year.

      And why they are left without a DH today and why they traded for a front line starter and signed an another 10 million dollar pitcher this past off season.. Round and round we go.. but lets face it, they had they chance to trade for DOC, Santana and didnt pull the trigger on Kennedy and Hughes or Montero.. Hmmm.. the results yielded??? most likely 25 million dollars for a player not to pitch on this staff… where is the $$cent in this!!!..

    23. Corey Italiano
      February 13th, 2012 | 1:49 pm

      sicilianlou wrote:

      GOOGLE,FACEBOOK, or Microsoft!

      Call me when the AAV of a player of mlb is lower than that of a programmer.

    24. Corey Italiano
      February 13th, 2012 | 1:53 pm

      sicilianlou wrote:

      Might be, or is that the result of pitching in NL?

      I’m not saying it’s not, but people put Cain and Lincecum on silver pedestals and IPK had a better year than both of them.

    25. February 13th, 2012 | 1:56 pm

      Garcia wrote:

      @ Steve L.:
      Is Waswatching back to being a Yankee blog?

      Nope. Still anything baseball that strikes my fancy blog. I can’t help it that Cashman and Burnett being traded are the two biggest baseball stories at the moment.

      That said, if, somehow, Cashman gets fired – and I know that’s a LONG SHOT – and the Yankees hire a GM that I find interesting, maybe I would swing back to being a Yankees blog, or mostly Yankees.

      But, for now, it’s just baseball.

      And, if it had been Kenny Williams who got caught giving money to a wack-job fling to shut up, and/or the Red Sox looking to eat John Lackey money to trade him, I’d probably be posting on that now.

    26. MJ Recanati
      February 13th, 2012 | 1:56 pm

      sicilianlou wrote:

      Another bust of a draft choice along with Phill Hughes..

      The draft pick of Kennedy can’t be a bust if that draft pick was used to acquire Granderson.

    27. February 13th, 2012 | 1:58 pm

      @ MJ Recanati:
      I probably should have sliced Brackman off. He belongs on a different list.

    28. sicilianlou
      February 13th, 2012 | 2:32 pm

      @MJ

      The draft pick of Kennedy can’t be a bust if that draft pick was used to acquire Granderson.

      True..And your correct, however, IPK was rumored to be one of the players for the Santana deal along with Hughes.. Both were untouchable or at least thats what the Yankee GM said.. But so was Montero not allowed to be traded for DOC to the Jays :) my point is we lead up to this situation which is now a costly signing that the Yankees for the first time are not willing to up the payroll to land a needed lefty DH bat.. lets play devils advocate for a moment, lets suppose the Yankees traded Montero to the Jays and what ever player needed to get that DOC deal done.. wasnt it AJ who said he credited DOC for helping him regain his pitching form when he won 18 games with the Jays?.. Now you have no need to go get Pineda and instead of using the 10mm to sign Kurdoa you spend that on the DH you need.. Long run, You might have a better pitcher in AJ and the DH you been trying to sign already. wouldnt that be the better way to protect your investment and save a few million too?..

    29. Raf
      February 13th, 2012 | 3:25 pm

      So there’s a problem when Cashman spends money, there’s a problem when he doesn’t spend money. There’s a problem when Cashman works the kids in, there’s a problem when he goes with proven veterans…

      You guys can’t have it both ways.

      The Yankees for the most part have had high payrolls. They have been for the most part active on the FA market. That has been the way since Steinbrenner bought the team.

      Why all of a sudden it’s a bad thing under Cashman is beyond me…

    30. Raf
      February 13th, 2012 | 3:26 pm

      Steve L. wrote:

      @ Evan3457: So, then, why are they willing to eat close to $20 million to let him pitch for the Pirates?

      Why are the Pirates interested in taking on Burnett when they aren’t going anywhere?

      Because Burnett’s better than the options they currently have.

    31. Raf
      February 13th, 2012 | 3:27 pm

      Evan3457 wrote:

      Because when they bought him in the 2008-2009 offseason, they didn’t have any better options, but now, they do.

      They had the option to let Kennedy, Joba and Hughes develop.

    32. Raf
      February 13th, 2012 | 3:30 pm

      clintfsu813 wrote:

      He’s not going to get better, just worse.

      I think he’ll get better.

    33. Raf
      February 13th, 2012 | 3:48 pm

      Steve L. wrote:

      No reason why a team can’t win 95+ games every year with a payroll of, say, $150 milion instead of one over $200 million.

      Jeter, Posada, Rodriguez, Rivera et al, don’t come cheap.

    34. Raf
      February 13th, 2012 | 3:52 pm

      sicilianlou wrote:

      This is where my fustration lays with Cashman… Our options just the year before 2007 2008 was IAN KENNEDY and PHIL HUGHES!!..

      The problem wasn’t Hughes and Kennedy, it was the offense.

    35. sicilianlou
      February 13th, 2012 | 4:16 pm

      Raf wrote:

      The problem wasn’t Hughes and Kennedy, it was the offense.

      Then why did they sign two pitchers and one hitter?… front line pitching was the excuse on that 400 million dollar shopping spree.
      Raf wrote:

      So there’s a problem when Cashman spends money, there’s a problem when he doesn’t spend money. There’s a problem when Cashman works the kids in, there’s a problem when he goes with proven veterans…

      ITs not the spending, its not the veterans or kids, thats what builds dynasty ballclubs..Its about how he spends it and what players are signed.. If your going with the kids why not simply makes Hughes your number 5 guy this year and see if he is going to amount to anything? Did you need to sign another aging pitcher for 10mm? I see the Pineda and Kuroda situation just like CC and AJ in 2008.. You still have Hughes your not willing to admit is not going to be more than a number 5 or a long term relief option… at some point, some one in Yankee land has to make a decision on the future he plays….

    36. Evan3457
      February 13th, 2012 | 5:56 pm

      sicilianlou wrote:

      So, what’s Burnett’s place in “great” pitching acquistions by Brian Cashman since 2002?
      @Steve L……. Any idea what the cost was on this list?.. OMG… I knew there was some bad signings but wow!!.. I am surprised the yankees werent looking for a bailout package after this!!!…

      Most of these guys were minimal cost; many of them picked up as minor league free agents or waivers or in very low cost trades. 36 of the 68 on the list to be exactly.

    37. Evan3457
      February 13th, 2012 | 6:04 pm

      Raf wrote:

      Evan3457 wrote:
      Because when they bought him in the 2008-2009 offseason, they didn’t have any better options, but now, they do.
      They had the option to let Kennedy, Joba and Hughes develop.

      Well, not exactly. They couldn’t let Joba spend the whole season in rotation, the rotation, pre-AJ, was CC, Pettitte, Hughes, Kennedy, and…Darrell Rasner.

      Cashman, trying to win in 2009, as the Yanks say they do each year, could not NOT pick up another veteran for that rotation.

      In choosing AJ, did they make the most efficient acquisition they could’ve made? No; clearly not. But they weren’t going cheap again with free agent pitchers, because boy, does that suck. That’s what Cashman learned from 2002-2008.

      Hence, AJ. And then Kennedy and Hughes pitched themselves out of the rotation inside of a month, anywat Should the Yanks have stayed with them longer? I guess so, but then, just as the Yanks under George had always spent big money, the Yanks under George never gave pitching prospects the chance to get untracked at the big league level, completing their development. It was always “win now or get lost”.

    38. Raf
      February 13th, 2012 | 6:45 pm

      sicilianlou wrote:

      Then why did they sign two pitchers and one hitter?… front line pitching was the excuse on that 400 million dollar shopping spree.

      Because it was available?

      Posada coming back, Cano & Melky not sucking, Jeter & Damon bouncing back had just as much an impact on the Yankees winning 103 games. In 2007 & 2009 they hit, 2008 they didn’t

      ITs not the spending, its not the veterans or kids, thats what builds dynasty ballclubs..

      You may want to take a closer look at the dynasty Yankees then; they were fulla veterans. Jeter was a rookie (and got a shot because Tony Fernandez got hurt), but he was flanked by Wade Boggs and Mariano Duncan, he threw over to Tino Martinez, brought over because the M’s couldn’t afford him. Darryl, Raines and O’Neill were already seasoned veterans, and Bernie had been a starter since late 1992.

      Pitching staff had Pettitte surrounded by Cone, Rogers & Gooden. Jimmy Key was there as well. Wetteland, was there the year prior, courtesy of the Expos’ fire sale.

    39. Raf
      February 13th, 2012 | 6:50 pm

      Evan3457 wrote:

      Cashman, trying to win in 2009, as the Yanks say they do each year, could not NOT pick up another veteran for that rotation.

      Of course they could have. They’ve added a couple of arms just about every year, starting with Hawkins and LaPoint. Probably even further back

      Should the Yanks have stayed with them longer? I guess so, but then, just as the Yanks under George had always spent big money, the Yanks under George never gave pitching prospects the chance to get untracked at the big league level, completing their development.

      Exactly. That said, it still doesn’t mean that development wasn’t an option.

    40. Raf
      February 13th, 2012 | 6:54 pm

      sicilianlou wrote:

      If your going with the kids why not simply makes Hughes your number 5 guy this year and see if he is going to amount to anything?

      Because the Yanks, like most teams in MLB, prefer proven veterans, to untested rookies. Remember Sterling Hitchcock’s rant all those years ago?

    41. Raf
      February 14th, 2012 | 6:50 pm

      Raf wrote:

      I’m curious to the other 3 clubs?

      So far the Angels and Indians have been linked as potential trade partners.
      http://aol.sportingnews.com/mlb/story/2012-02-14/indians-angels-join-pirates-as-teams-interested-in-yankees-aj-burnett

    42. MJ Recanati
      February 15th, 2012 | 9:01 am

      @ Raf:
      Apparently AJ doesn’t want any part of the Angels. I’m sorta surprised that he wouldn’t want to pitch for a decent team but I guess he and his wife are east coast folks and they’d rather stick around the eastern time zone.

      Also, as an Angels hater, I’m pleased with AJ’s choice.

    43. Raf
      February 15th, 2012 | 7:01 pm

      @ MJ Recanati:

      That is correct, Mrs Burnett has a fear of flying, IIRC. Based on geography, I’d say the Pirates are the odds on favorite to land Burnett.

      Personally, I think Burnett will bounce back next year, be it with the Yanks or elsewhere.

    44. MJ Recanati
      February 16th, 2012 | 10:14 am

      Raf wrote:

      Personally, I think Burnett will bounce back next year, be it with the Yanks or elsewhere.

      I think he’s got a good chance to bounce back in the NL and/or a pitcher’s park.

      I don’t share that viewpoint if he were staying on the Yanks…as the strikeouts decline to new career lows and the walks stay the same (too high), he’ll always be susceptible to the big inning. At Yankee Stadium, vs. lefties…that means HR’s…

    45. sicilianlou
      February 16th, 2012 | 11:29 am

      I wonder if the Nationals are interested or maybe their the 4th team no one is mentioning.. After all, AJ lives in Maryland… But here is something I dont get, if you fearfull of flying which most people are these days.. Well, the question that begs to be asked is why not move to the West coast with him if your traded?.. Dont most wifes do this?.. Didnt CC’s wife do this? And she is a west coast native.. Am I missing something when I hear he will not go to a west coast team?..

    46. Raf
      February 16th, 2012 | 1:53 pm

      MJ Recanati wrote:

      I don’t share that viewpoint if he were staying on the Yanks…as the strikeouts decline to new career lows and the walks stay the same (too high), he’ll always be susceptible to the big inning. At Yankee Stadium, vs. lefties…that means HR’s…

      He pitched better @ home than he did on the road.

      His peripherals were right around his career averages. He wasn’t as good as he was in 2009, but he was better than he was in 2010. The only thing of concern is like you mentioned, the HR rate. If it’s a spike, he’ll be fine. If not, then it will be trouble.

    47. Raf
      February 16th, 2012 | 1:55 pm

      sicilianlou wrote:

      But here is something I dont get, if you fearfull of flying which most people are these days.. Well, the question that begs to be asked is why not move to the West coast with him if your traded?.. Dont most wifes do this?

      Could be a comfort issue, if they have roots in the MD area, it would make sense that they wouldn’t want to move.

    48. Raf
      February 17th, 2012 | 7:43 pm

      Done deal, AJ to the Pirates for Diego Moreno (P) & Exicardo Coyones (OF)

    49. Raf
      February 17th, 2012 | 8:25 pm

      2011
      H: 7-6, 4.41, 8.2 (k/9), 2.31 (SO/BB)
      A: 4-5, 6.28, 8.2 (k/9), 1.82 (SO/BB)

      2010
      H: 5-7, 4.59, 7.5 (k/9), 2.03 (SO/BB)
      A: 5-8, 5.76, 7.3 (k/9), 2.00 (SO/BB)

      2009
      H: 5-3, 3.51, 8.9 (k/9), 2.00 (SO/BB)
      A: 8-6, 4.59, 8.0 (k/9), 2.02 (SO/BB)

      Getting in front of the meme that AJ couldn’t handle NY ;)

    50. Raf
      February 17th, 2012 | 9:10 pm

      MJ Recanati wrote:

      Apparently AJ doesn’t want any part of the Angels.

      All it would’ve taken was Bobby Abreu… Hmmm, I wonder how much money would’ve gone either way, but I guess it’s moot.

    51. Corey Italiano
      February 18th, 2012 | 10:45 am

      Raf wrote:

      MJ Recanati wrote:
      Apparently AJ doesn’t want any part of the Angels.
      All it would’ve taken was Bobby Abreu… Hmmm, I wonder how much money would’ve gone either way, but I guess it’s moot.

      I’d rather them sign Ibanez, give him a short leash and if he sucks then trade for a bat at the deadline with the pitching depth. You have a much better chance of getting someone who can be an impact in the lineup that way, IMO.

    52. Corey Italiano
      February 18th, 2012 | 10:45 am

      Plus Abreu just isn’t that good anymore

    53. Raf
      February 18th, 2012 | 1:01 pm

      @ Corey Italiano:
      Maybe not, but he’s better than Ibanez.

      You can do the same (punt) with Abreu as well, if he doesn’t pan out

      FWIW

      BA:.253/.353/.365 (1.3 WAR)
      RI:.245/.289/.419 (-.4)

      vs RHP
      BA:.259/.366/.400
      RI:.256/.307/.440

      I guess it’s closer than I originally thought.

    54. Corey Italiano
      February 18th, 2012 | 1:17 pm

      Raf wrote:

      @ Corey Italiano:
      Maybe not, but he’s better than Ibanez.
      You can do the same (punt) with Abreu as well, if he doesn’t pan out
      FWIW
      BA:.253/.353/.365 (1.3 WAR)
      RI:.245/.289/.419 (-.4)
      vs RHP
      BA:.259/.366/.400
      RI:.256/.307/.440
      I guess it’s closer than I originally thought.

      Save more money sending Burnett to the Pirates and signing Ibanez for $1mm. No sense in paying more for essentially the same player.

    55. Mr. October
      September 10th, 2013 | 7:11 pm

      MJ Recanati wrote:

      The draft pick of Kennedy can’t be a bust if that draft pick was used to acquire Granderson.

      LOL!!!!!

      Cashman’s draft pick of Kennedy certainly wasn’t a bust for Dombrowski.

    56. Mr. October
      September 10th, 2013 | 8:21 pm

      Raf wrote:

      Getting in front of the meme that AJ couldn’t handle NY

      Dec. 21, 2008: “… former manager John Gibbons openly wondered whether Burnett would be able to handle the pressure of pitching in The Bronx… the Yankees have a history of watching veterans wilt under [New York's intense spotlight]…

      Now the Blue Jays general manager JP Ricciardi said that’s going to be [Burnett's biggest test]… ‘The big question is how he handles New York,’ the Blue Jays’ GM said… [C]an Burnett adjust to the pressures of pitching in New York? Or will he be uncomfortable until [Cashman is] forced to trade him like Randy Johnson…”

      Oct. 11, 2010: “If it weren’t already evident that Burnett’s big long-term contract was dictating the decisions made by [Cashman], it is now… the Yankees announced Monday morning that they will use a fourth starter in the ALCS. That fourth starter will be Burnett…

      Yankees fans have never been fed up with a pitcher more than they have Burnett. And for a good reason. This season has been a disastrous one for the 33-year-old, and that is just one of the many reasons why this decision makes no sense.”

      Aug. 23, 2011: “[Cashman] undoubtedly feels compelled to defend Burnett, for in doing so he defends the $82.5 million contract he bestowed on the… inconsistent righthander… With Burnett, this is fast becoming another Jeff Weaver situation for [Cashman] – a starting pitcher with a big arm who teased mightily in small markets elsewhere but found New York and all that goes with [it] just too daunting…”

      Feb. 13, 2012: “[Cashman has] put starting pitcher A.J. Burnett on the trading block… Going from the big city lights of New York to the small market of Pittsburgh could be just what Burnett needs… Burnett’s second half slide last year got in his head, and he never really was comfortable pitching in the bright lights of the Yankee Stadium.”

      Feb. 20, 2012: “Burnett was happy to escape from New York. ‘It was fun the first couple of years…’ he said… a day after [Cashman] dealt him to the Pittsburgh Pirates for a pair of low-level prospects [and $20 million]… In a smaller market with reduced expectations, there should be less pressure on the right-hander.

      ‘It’s going to be a fresh start,’ Burnett said. ‘It’s going to be fun. I’m going back to the NL, where I can hit and bunt and get the joy back into the game’…”

      May 10, 2013: “The NL strikeout leader was at Citi Field last night… Burnett – 16-10 with a 3.51 ERA last year with Pittsburgh — is 3-3 with a 2.57 ERA and 62 strikeouts this season, when [Cashman is] paying $8.5 million of his $16 million salary.

      The consensus is that he is beneficiary of a change of scenery, mainly in leaving the stress of the Yankees… One NL personnel man echoed the theme of three executives asked about Burnett by saying the righty ‘is better and the reason isn’t stuff – it’s environment. Burnett is a classic small-market guy… It’s not unlike others who have struggled when they went to bigger markets to play where every game mattered…”

    57. Raf
      September 10th, 2013 | 9:33 pm

      @ Mr. October:

      Raf wrote:

      Burnett should be ok with a return to the NL. His numbers should improve based on regression of his HR rate, though the narrative is going to be that he escaped the pressure cooker of NYC or some other nonsense.

      Raf wrote:

      Personally, I think Burnett will bounce back next year, be it with the Yanks or elsewhere.

      Raf wrote:

      2011
      H: 7-6, 4.41, 8.2 (k/9), 2.31 (SO/BB)
      A: 4-5, 6.28, 8.2 (k/9), 1.82 (SO/BB)
      2010
      H: 5-7, 4.59, 7.5 (k/9), 2.03 (SO/BB)
      A: 5-8, 5.76, 7.3 (k/9), 2.00 (SO/BB)
      2009
      H: 5-3, 3.51, 8.9 (k/9), 2.00 (SO/BB)
      A: 8-6, 4.59, 8.0 (k/9), 2.02 (SO/BB)

      Getting in front of the meme that AJ couldn’t handle NY

      Given that he performed better in front of NY crowds, especially during his terrible 2011 season, it seems pitching for the Yankees wasn’t that big a deal. It certainly didn’t show up in the results.

    58. Mr. October
      September 10th, 2013 | 9:45 pm

      Raf wrote:

      it seems pitching for the Yankees wasn’t that big a deal. It certainly didn’t show up in the results.

      Yeah, right…

    59. Kamieniecki
      September 11th, 2013 | 9:54 am

      @ Raf:
      Maybe you can write Burnett a letter and explain to him he that just thinks he was uncomfortable pitching in New York, that the pressure really was not a big deal for him, and that his saying so publicly only makes him look more foolish:

      Mr. A.J. Burnett
      c/o Brian Cashman
      Yankee Stadium
      161st St and River Ave
      Bronx, NY 10452

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