• Phil Hughes & Michael Pineda To Stand Out On Cashman’s Resume

    Posted by on April 26th, 2012 · Comments (56)

    On February 1, 1999, Brian Cashman traded Mike Lowell to the Florida Marlins for Todd Noel, Mark Johnson and Ed Yarnall. Now, it looks like the Jesus Montero for Michael Pineda deal will be just as “good” as that one for the New York Yankees.

    And, Phil Hughes? He’s been Cashman’s pet since he was drafted by the Yankees. He would not trade him for Johan Santana or Doc Halladay. And, now, how has that worked out?

    Cashman’s resume has a lot of terrible pitching moves on it: Jeff Weaver, Carl Pavano, Kei Igawa, A.J. Burnett, Jose Contreras, Javy Vazquez, Chan Ho Park, Pedro Feliciano, Damaso Marte, Gabe White, Felix Heredia, Denny Neagle…

    But, Hughes and Pineda are going to have a special place on Cashman’s resume, for sure.

    Comments on Phil Hughes & Michael Pineda To Stand Out On Cashman’s Resume

    1. LMJ229
      April 27th, 2012 | 6:10 pm

      Corey Italiano wrote:

      Do you have inside knowledge that he was just a errand boy before 1998?

      You might want to read this article. It will shed alot of light on Cashman’s early years: http://nymag.com/nymetro/news/sports/features/9611/index1.html

    2. April 27th, 2012 | 6:34 pm

      LMJ229 wrote:

      OK, I’m gonna throw a question out to the masses. I was listening to Francesa the other day and he was talking about the Yankees and expectations. His take was this: with all of the resources the Yankees have, he believes the Yankees should be expected to make the playoffs 9 times out of 10. They should be able to go to the world series 4 times in 10 and win it all 2 times in 10. With their resources, anything less than that could be considered a failure. Personally, I tend to agree with his math.I’m not a Cashman fan but I’m trying to judge him as objectively as I can. So if winning a championship is the ultimate goal, then that is what he should be judged on. The team has not met these standards the last 10 years.Your thoughts?

      I’ve heard Mike make this case before. My thoughts?

      Assume that it is just a 50-50 shot in the post-season. This means for every four years you make the play-offs, you should reach the WS once. And, then, if you make the playoffs 8 times, then you should reach the WS twice and win one ring. But, that’s if you assume it’s just a 50-50 chance.

      I think it’s fair to bump that up to two rings in ten seasons. And, make it three times to the WS in a ten year period – for a team with the resources like the Yankees. I mean, seriously, they can double the payroll, just about, of most teams in the league.

      But, I take it a step further. What really burns me is all the one round and out “failures” of the Yankees under Cashman. This team was been bounced in the ALDS more times than it should since 2002. Why? Crappy pitching or batters who turn into pumpkins in the post-season after fattening up in the regular season on bad teams.

      The Yankees of 1996-2001 had players, pitchers and hitters, who played well in the post-season. For some reason, Cashman can’t find the same kind of players that Michael and Watson found – esp. in the pitching department.

      Of course, this all gets masked in the regular season when the Yankees batters just beat the stuffing out of crap pitchers and roll up 95 wins each season.

      In any event, it won’t go on forever. Eventually, one way or another, Cashman will go away. It may take a few years. Or, it may take another ten years. But, he cannot last forever. I just hope it’s sooner rather than later.

    3. April 27th, 2012 | 6:39 pm
    4. LMJ229
      April 28th, 2012 | 12:43 am

      Evan3457 wrote:

      I can’t wait for the Yanks to trade Hughes for 5 cents on the dollar…and watch him develop into a competent starter someplace else.

      Then everyone can blame Cashman twice, coming and going…
      …as they did with Lilly/Weaver/Brown
      …and with Contreras/Loaiza
      …and with Kennedy…
      …and soon, with AJ Burnet.

      I’m not sure why anyone would want to blame Cashman for the “going” of the players mentioned. I, for one, wouldn’t want any of them back, especially Burnett.

      I am very disappointed in Phil Hughes so far this year. I thought he would have a good year for us. I’m not willing to give up on him just yet but, let’s face it, he certainly has not lived up to his expectations and we really can’t keep going to him if he keeps this up. Right now, he is not even a decent #4. At some point the Yankees will have to make a decision on him if he keeps going like this.

    5. LMJ229
      April 28th, 2012 | 12:44 am

      Steve L. wrote:

      Hey, we have been here before!

      LOL! So much for my memory, thanks!

    6. Raf
      April 28th, 2012 | 1:24 am

      Steve L. wrote:

      @ LMJ229:
      Hey, we have been here before!
      http://waswatching.com/2011/10/09/new-yankees-m-o-beat-up-on-the-weak-make-playoffs-make-money-fall-short-of-a-ring/comment-page-1/#comment-359671

      Raf wrote:

      As for Lupica, I’d recommend he take off the blinders and see that a host of other teams “Beat Up On The Weak, Make Playoffs, Make Money, Fall Short Of A Ring.”

      It’s always something, don’t people get tired of moving goalposts?

      “The Yanks suck because they couldn’t get Cliff Lee.” They finished with the best record in the AL

      “The Yanks pitching sucks, they can’t contend with that rotation.” They finished 3rd in the AL behind the Angels (who missed the playoffs) and the Rays. Went to 5 games in the Division Series.

      “Starting pitching is key to the playoffs.” The Phils and Rays and Yanks are currently watching the playoffs from home.

      “They only beat up on weak teams.” That’s what all .500+ teams do. That’s what they’re supposed to do, Rare is the contending team that beats up on .500+ teams and loses against .500- teams.

      These are persistent memes, I gotta admit. And when they get debunked, there are others that pop up in their place. Those’ll get debunked as well.

      The Yankees are a good team. The organization will be fine.

      8):P

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